Rate your 2017 list in terms of draft picks

[foj1]

Daniher 5-10
Heppell 5-10
McGrath too hard to judge but was number 1 in a draft that did not have a weltering, heeney or patton
Fantasia 15-20
Parish 10-15
Francis 20 ish- done nothing at AFL level. Would trade him in a heartbeat for Jake Lever
Walla- 20-30
Merrett is clearly our best player and warrants consideration at pick 1-5
ps if bontempelli was available for pick 1 last year andrew mcgrath would not be a bomber

I don't know who Walla is, but excluding Hurley and Hooker who are miles off here is the rest:

Joe Daniher (1 - 3)
Zach Merrett (1 - 4)
Andy McGrath (1 - 5)
Dyson Heppell (2 - 6)
Orazio Fantasia (2 - 6)
Darcy Parish (3 - 7)
Aaron Francis (6 - 14)
Anthony McDonald Tippa (10 - 15)

Incredibly optimistic when you look at what players are actually traded for.

James Aish was pick 7, played 32 games in two seasons then was traded for two picks in the 20s. Simply being an early pick doesn't mean you are worth an early pick at the trade table. Francis and Parish for example have been good, but not Wingard/Wines exciting. Clubs would low ball.

Clubs trade picks in the 10-20 range pretty frequently these days. Top 5 picks rarely change hands.

 

[foj1]

michael hartley worth more than that
watson francis hurley worth less

Pick 1 or more:
Andrew McGrath

Pick 2-5:
Joe Daniher
Zac Merrett
Aaron Francis
Michael Hurley

Pick 6-10:
Dyson Heppell
Darcy Parish
Cale Hooker

Pick 11-20:
Orazio Fantasia

Pick 21-30:
David Zaharakis
Jordan Ridley
Josh Begley
Kyle Langford
Jayden Laverde
Travis Colyer

Pick 31-40:
Jobe Watson
Brendan Goddard
Kobe Mutch
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti

Pick 41-50:
Tom Bellchambers
Brent Stanton
Martin Gleeson
Dylan Clarke
David Myers
Matthew Leunberger
Mason Redman
Patrcik Ambrose

Pick 50+:
Mark Baguley
James Stewart
James Kelly
Matthew Dea
Josh Green
Shaun McKernan
Jake Long
Connor McKenna
Alex Morgan
Heath Hocking
Ben Howlett
Ben McNeice
Sam Draper
Craig Bird
Michael Hartley
Mitch Brown
Jackson Merrett

 

[Mitchell54]

Frawley, Sicily, Omeara, Hartung and Langford all overrated.
Though they have been great I don't think Rioli or Gunstan would net you 2-5 without the Hawks giving a second rounder back.
I would grab Puopolo for a pick in the 40s without hesitation.

Yeah. I definitely think Frawley & Sicily have been below my expectations so far this year. I'll give Jeagar some more time. Hartung hasn't been too bad imo this year or in past years and think he warrants a spot in the 21-30. A Will Langford in 2014 Finals form is what Hawthorn need right now and there's potential for that being the reason he's in that zone. Gunners is 2-5 imo. Rioli probably a 6-10

 

[Mitchell54]

Pick 1 or more:
Andrew McGrath

Pick 2-5:
Joe Daniher
Zac Merrett
Aaron Francis
Michael Hurley

Pick 6-10:
Dyson Heppell
Darcy Parish
Cale Hooker

Pick 11-20:
Orazio Fantasia

Pick 21-30:
David Zaharakis
Jordan Ridley
Josh Begley
Kyle Langford
Jayden Laverde
Travis Colyer

Pick 31-40:
Jobe Watson
Brendan Goddard
Kobe Mutch
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti

Pick 41-50:
Tom Bellchambers
Brent Stanton
Martin Gleeson
Dylan Clarke
David Myers
Matthew Leunberger
Mason Redman
Patrcik Ambrose

Pick 50+:
Mark Baguley
James Stewart
James Kelly
Matthew Dea
Josh Green
Shaun McKernan
Jake Long
Connor McKenna
Alex Morgan
Heath Hocking
Ben Howlett
Ben McNeice
Sam Draper
Craig Bird
Michael Hartley
Mitch Brown
Jackson Merrett

I'd take Baguley for Pick 50 without much hesitation.
+ Francis is more a 11-20 imo. Also would take McDonald-Tipungwuti for Pick 35 any day of the week.

 

[Franksgun3]

It's depends, example. For Fremantle, I wouldn't trade Lachie Neale for anything other then a top 3 pick, because I don't want to lose him. But then you might get others people that would only give up a pick from 5-10. Do you get me? Players can be more Valuable to their clubs then what other clubs might value them, and it can be vise versa. Bit like how you want pick 1 for schache and a richmond supporter might only want to offer pick 5 for example

I would happily take a pick 5 for schace

 

[Seb78]

Lol these threads make me laugh. People talking about overrating and underrating of players.

It's quite simple really: Any player is worth whatever a team is willing to pay for them. A club in desperate need for a foward will trade overs to get there man. For example If Tom Hawkins was on the market and clubs were trying to get his signature I could almost guarantee a team like the pies who desperately needed a foward wouldn't hesitate to drop pick 1 or 2 to get him. Whether he is worth that or not is irrelevant as thats what the club values him at, so that is what he is worth.

 

[Prochard123]

Yeah. I definitely think Frawley & Sicily have been below my expectations so far this year. I'll give Jeagar some more time. Hartung hasn't been too bad imo this year or in past years and think he warrants a spot in the 21-30. A Will Langford in 2014 Finals form is what Hawthorn need right now and there's potential for that being the reason he's in that zone. Gunners is 2-5 imo. Rioli probably a 6-10

Doesn't gunston qualify for FA soon if not already?

Judging on his current form if he doesnt improve he's worth pick 15-20 at most. Rioli maybe 15-25 too given his injury history.

 

[Prochard123]

Picks 1 or more
Adam Treloar
Brodie Grundy

Pick 2 - 5
Scott Pendlebury

Picks 6 - 10
Taylor Adams
Steele Sidebottom
Darcy Moore
Jordan De Goey
Will Hoskin-Elliot

Picks 11 - 20
Jeremy Howe
Jamie Elliot
Alex Fasolo

Picks 20 - 30
James Aish
Tim Broomhead
Matthew Scharenberg
Sam Mclartly
Ben Reid

Picks 30 - 40
Brayden Maynard
Jack Crisp
Henry Schade
Tom Langdon
Tom Phillips
Callum Brown
Ben Crocker
Jackson Ramsay

Picks 40 - 50
Levi Greenwood
Josh Daicos
Daniel Wells
Travis Varcoe
Rupert Wills
Brayden Sier
Lachlan Keefe
Josh Smith
Ben Sinclair
Kayle Kirby

Pick 50+
Tyson Goldsack
Lynden Dunn
Jesse White
Chris Mayne
Mason Cox

Jarryd Blair tier
Jarryd Blair

 

[jakefooty23]

I would happily take a pick 5 for schace

Lol.

 

[Trav 20]

Picks 1 or more
Adam Treloar
Brodie Grundy

Pick 2 - 5
Scott Pendlebury

Picks 6 - 10
Taylor Adams
Steele Sidebottom
Darcy Moore
Jordan De Goey
Will Hoskin-Elliot

6-10 for De Goey, who is a turnover merchant and been disappointing ? And WHE top 10 ? No.

Pendlebury a top 5 pick at 30 ? No.

I doubt anyone gives you pick one for Treloar or Grundy, but I suppose it's possible.

 

[Ambrosia]

Pick 1-2
Crippa
Weitering

Picks 3-13
Docherty
Gibbs
Marchbank
SPS

Picks 13-23
Murphy
Harry McKay
Plowman
Charlie Curnow

Picks 24-34
Kruezer
Jack Silvagni
Jarrod Pickett
David Cuningham
Zac Fisher

Picks 35-45
Simmo
Rowe
Macreadie
Sumner
Byrne

Picks 45-55
Casboult
Wright
Ed Curnow
White
Williamson
Phillips
Buckley
Kerridge
Daisy
Sheehan
Boekhorst

Picks 55-65
Palmer
Smedts
Armfield
Lamb
Gorringe
Graham
Jaksch
Jones
Alex Silvagni
Glass-McCasker
Lebois
Polson
Kerr

Byrne not recovering well from his acl?

Sides would be queuing up to give pick 35 up for him.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Frankly, we're a bit skinny for 1st rounders

 

[Jeremias]

Byrne not recovering well from his acl?

Sides would be queuing up to give pick 35 up for him.

Recovery is coming along fine.

He's a good footballer but coming off an ACL there is always an element of uncertainty, so I can understand having him in the 35-45 range, for now.

Externally that's a fair enough assessment I think, but realistically we wouldn't accept an offer in that range.

 

[Prochard123]

6-10 for De Goey, who is a turnover merchant and been disappointing ? And WHE top 10 ? No.

Pendlebury a top 5 pick at 30 ? No.

I doubt anyone gives you pick one for Treloar or Grundy, but I suppose it's possible.

lol

 

[Jade]

lol

Not sure what you're 'lol'ing' over.

I don't think there's anyone on Collingwood's list that you'd give up pick one for.

Pendlebury is a bloody star, but he is 29. A first rounder? Sure, if you're smack bang in premiership contention you'd part with a mid to late first rounder.

 

[Trav 20]

Not sure what you're 'lol'ing' over.

I don't think there's anyone on Collingwood's list that you'd give up pick one for.

Pendlebury is a bloody star, but he is 29. A first rounder? Sure, if you're smack bang in premiership contention you'd part with a mid to late first rounder.

Pendlebury plays all of next year as a 30 year old. Who gives up a top 5 pick for a 30 year old ?

De Goey was dropped twice last year and his kicking was woeful. A good JLT series must be giving this poster his jollies.

Hoskin- Elliott has supposedly gone from a round 2 draft pick to top 10 on the back of 4 games.

Poster is a dunce.

 

[adammania9]

A few knickers in a knot here - even the most basic neutral discussions seem to have the same few who start arguments over nothing.

Pick 1 or more
-

Pick 2-5
Brodie Grundy
Adam Treloar
Scott Pendlebury

Pick 6-10
Taylor Adams
Steele Sidebottom
Darcy Moore
Jeremy Howe

Pick 11-20
Jordan De Goey
Will Hoskin-Elliott
Alex Fasolo
Jamie Elliott

Pick 20-30
Matthew Scharenberg
Ben Reid
Jack Crisp
Brayden Maynard
Sam McLarty

Pick 30-40
James Aish
Henry Schade
Daniel Wells
Rupert Wills
Jackson Ramsay

Pick 40+
the rest

 

[Trav 20]

A few knickers in a knot here - even the most basic neutral discussions seem to have the same few who start arguments over nothing.

Pick 1 or more
-

Pick 2-5
Brodie Grundy
Adam Treloar
Scott Pendlebury

Pick 6-10
Taylor Adams
Steele Sidebottom
Darcy Moore
Jeremy Howe

Pick 11-20
Jordan De Goey
Will Hoskin-Elliott
Alex Fasolo
Jamie Elliott

Pick 20-30
Matthew Scharenberg
Ben Reid
Jack Crisp
Brayden Maynard
Sam McLarty

Pick 30-40
James Aish
Henry Schade
Daniel Wells
Rupert Wills
Jackson Ramsay

Pick 40+
the rest

It's called having an opinion.

Such as no way Howe gleans a top 10 draft pick. Zero chance.

20-30

 

[adammania9]

It's called having an opinion.

Such as no way Howe gleans a top 10 draft pick. Zero chance.

20-30

Ever heard of keeping an opinion to yourself? You seem to enjoy trolling most posts on this site; you don't need to write about every single one.

Jeremy Howe is a star - clubs would be queuing up for him for an 11-20 pick, let alone 20-30.

 

[Prochard123]

6-10 for De Goey, who is a turnover merchant and been disappointing ? And WHE top 10 ? No.

Pendlebury a top 5 pick at 30 ? No.

I doubt anyone gives you pick one for Treloar or Grundy, but I suppose it's possible.

De Goey's disposals are fine for an inside mid, really no worse than the likes of Oliver/Tyson(ahahhaaha)/Viney/Brayshaw. He really hasn't been disappointing at all last year improving as a half forward/mid, although his suspension this year has been frustrating. He has been far better than Brayshaw from the same draft year as similar players.

WHE has always been an exceptional talent. All we needed to see was consistency for him to skyrocket in price.
For such a dynamic player with X-factor,
Averaging 18 touches, close to 2 goals, 6 marks, 4.5 inside 50s a game is exceptional, especially for a high impact per possession player.

Pendlebury is not 30, we are rating players in the present. Also Pendlebury has had very, very few troubles with injuries in his career, and given his playstyle, he should play well into his 30s as someone who doesn't rely on contested possession and speed. He could easily transition to HB and be the best of that role at the age of 33 or 34. Deledio last year was older than Pendlebury is now, and he was worth pick 13-17 apparently. If Pendles isn't worth pick 5 as a younger and much better player, then a pick 5-10 for sure.

Keep your arguments clean, don't watch this thread 24/7 and pouncing at opportunities to call other posters a 'dunce'

 

[Trav 20]

De Goey's disposals are fine for an inside mid, really no worse than the likes of Oliver/Tyson(ahahhaaha)/Viney/Brayshaw. He really hasn't been disappointing at all last year improving as a half forward/mid, although his suspension this year has been frustrating. He has been far better than Brayshaw from the same draft year as similar players.

WHE has always been an exceptional talent. All we needed to see was consistency for him to skyrocket in price.
For such a dynamic player with X-factor,
Averaging 18 touches, close to 2 goals, 6 marks, 4.5 inside 50s a game is exceptional, especially for a high impact per possession player.

Pendlebury is not 30, we are rating players in the present. Also Pendlebury has had very, very few troubles with injuries in his career, and given his playstyle, he should play well into his 30s as someone who doesn't rely on contested possession and speed. He could easily transition to HB and be the best of that role at the age of 33 or 34. Deledio last year was older than Pendlebury is now, and he was worth pick 13-17 apparently. If Pendles isn't worth pick 5 as a younger and much better player, then a pick 5-10 for sure.

Keep your arguments clean, don't watch this thread 24/7 and pouncing at opportunities to call other posters a 'dunce'

I'll please myself how I post. You have an ignore function at your disposal.

The thread predisposes what a player may yield via draft picks. Seeing as though the next opportunity for a club to trade in Pendlebury he'll be 30 it's only logical to evaluate his worth as a 30 year old.

As for De Goey ? He had a poor 2016, which is why he was dropped twice from a struggling side. His disposal is nowhere near Oliver's, which is excellent, but yes, Viney and Tyson can turn it over.

He's not top 10 worthy. If that changes, it changes.

 

[Prochard123]

I'll please myself how I post. You have an ignore function at your disposal.

The thread predisposes what a player may yield via draft picks. Seeing as though the next opportunity for a club to trade in Pendlebury he'll be 30 it's only logical to evaluate his worth as a 30 year old.

As for De Goey ? He had a poor 2016, which is why he was dropped twice from a struggling side. His disposal is nowhere near Oliver's, which is excellent, but yes, Viney and Tyson can turn it over.

He's not top 10 worthy. If that changes, it changes.

If every evaluation is set at the end of the year, then there's really no point rating 1st year/2nd year players then as so much can change, and everyone list done so far is compromised. Oliver's disposals are on the same level as De Goey, Oliver just handballs 25 times out of 26 so his sub-par kicking skills are disguised.

You sound really angry, maybe I should mute you.

 

[Trav 20]

If every evaluation is set at the end of the year, then there's really no point rating 1st year/2nd year players then as so much can change, and everyone list done so far is compromised. Oliver's disposals are on the same level as De Goey, Oliver just handballs 25 times out of 26 so his sub-par kicking skills are disguised.

You sound really angry, maybe I should mute you.

Not angry, just don't tolerate fools.

Oliver's kicking and handballing is in another league compared to the likes of De Goey. You're not worth debating if that's the extent of your footy acumen.

 

[borderbarry]

1 - 2 (or more)
None
t_94, where did you have Tom Hickey? How far behind Longer?

 

[The Bomb]

I'd take Tippa for a pick in the 30's and Myers for a pick in the 40's any day but wouldn't go near Francis with a pick in the top 5.

Francis is a real interesting one, I give a top 5 pick for him as I think he become a very special player, he has elite attributes which very few players have.
but we all see things differently and I rate Francis really highly.