Just trying to understand your gripe, crazy that AFL let it continue.Seems like it.
Why is that?
Is it just the freekick count that is being used to come to this conclusion?
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Just trying to understand your gripe, crazy that AFL let it continue.Seems like it.
Why is that?
Not engaging with you as you have proven more than once that folk having a different opinion to you means you cant have a normal conversation.You don't follow the interstate media? The WC free kick plus ratio over all other sides was all over the media after the Saints game. The WC free kicks tally is a talking point all over the AFL states not just Freo fans.
Just trying to understand your gripe, crazy that AFL let it continue.
Is it just the freekick count that is being used to come to this conclusion?
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Indeed.
No, but it's a large part. Umpire consistency in officiating is a massive concern.
Pay this decision for this team, won't pay it for the others
First to the ball etc doesn't seem to correlate.
I was at your game at the 'G against Hawthorn two weeks ago and thought you were hard done in the first quarter or so...it evened up massively later though, and that's also a concern as it often seems there is an "evening up" at play from the umpires advisor rather than a reflection on particular decisions
Could it be that some teams are better drilled in not giving away free kicks? Or better skilled in drawing free kicks?
I have also never agreed with the fact that "the free kick count was 10 to 20" that's unfair. There is no logic that suggests the free kick count needs to be even.
The average frees for this year are 18 and against are 18. Freo is sitting at 17 for and 19 against. West coast 19 for and 15 against. Could this difference be a zoning defense or a better tackling technique opposed to cheating?
Why would the AFL let cheating go if it were so obvious?
So do you think the umpiring in last years grand final was fair and of a good standard?I would hope not. Finding a loop hole and exploiting it isn't the same as the umps cheating. I dont think they are bias i think the make mistakes both ways and supporters blow it out of proportion.
No way the AFL let cheating continune because its hard to grt umpires.
One ump may have a bias due to a certain player or coach but no way the rest jump on board and continue with their bias.
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The questions I have are does this mean the umpires treat the more defensive teams infringements more harshly say if they 50/50's etc. Has there been a message from the AFL to the umpires to focus on particular team or players for closer scrutiny?
So do you think the umpiring in last years grand final was fair and of a good standard?
I didn't notice it being bad. I thought the grand final last year was great.
Having been at the MCG for the previous 2 I hadn't watched one on TV for a while (I still haven't watched a replay of the 2015 gf )
I defiantly didn't notice it being bad to the point where I would suggest that the umps were bias and favoring one side.
The AFL have since come out and said that the umpiring was below standard. Which considering they never talk about umpiring is fairly extrodinary. This matches basically what everyone else has said since. That the Swans got a raw deal.
Maybe you're not paying enough attention.
I'll give you the benefit of doubt this isn't a piss take and you are genuine.No arguing that some calls were rubbish in the derby, but do you honestly thing the umps are cheating? And not that there a shocking calls each way every week.
If you think they are out and out cheating, are you thinking that its more their love for west coast? or their hate for Freo? Or both? Is the cheating only going in derby's?
The eagles getting favoritism seems to be a massive topic, and I am wondering if it's a view of just freo fans or the entire comp? Why don't the ump continue to give us free kicks away from home?
For the sake of respecting your board lets not debate they free kicks, lets all agree that we are reviving preferential treatment, why is it the case, and why doesn't extend to interstate. Or What have freo done to the umps to get such bad treatment.
The reason why I.refuse to buy the west Australian anymore. And avoid Chan 7 news. It's a disgrace.Below is an analysis of all games since Ross Lyon started coaching Fremantle (start of 2012 season) to see if there is any relationship between Free Kicks and how successful Fremantle are travelling for the season, at the time of the game.
That is, Round1 of a season, I categorise that game as Even because Freo are 0 wins and 0 losses for the season. If they win Round1, then in Round2 they would be classified as Winning (ie. 1 win, 0 losses on the ladder). If it's Round 23 and Freo are 3 wins and 18 losses then they would be classified as Losing. Finals games I have separated.
So here's what we get;
Even Games: 14 Games for +28 Free Kick Differential
Winning Games: 77 Games for -120 FKD
Losing Games: 25 Games for -11 FKD
Finals Games: 9 for -47 FKD
This data strongly supports my beliefs that the umpires are politically motivated by the AFL. The more successful Freo are, the worse the umpiring becomes, highlighted by Freo's atrocious finals Free Kick differential.
Again, please don't get me wrong here. My beliefs aren't just "the AFL are out to get Freo". Far from it. My beliefs are that the AFL will encourage favorable umpiring for teams that they think offer a financial benefit to the AFL. This is why the Eagles are so strongly supported by the umpires. West Coast have a much larger fan base in WA than Fremantle. The vast majority of the WA Media is very closely aligned with West Coast. Heck channel 7 and the West sponsor East Perth. Only yesterday I read a watoday article about why Fyfe should have got a 2 week ban for the Yeo MRP report. The article was so blatantly and factually incorrect it was just a pure propaganda piece for the common Eagles supporter.
The AFL is profitable because of the media. In a season when Fremantle go well and West Coast go poorly, I bet my left nut that the WA media suffers because of it.
Mate, to be honest, it's the only conclusion I can come to. I know it sounds like sour grapes, but I have no other explanation. It happens week in, week out to us.No arguing that some calls were rubbish in the derby, but do you honestly thing the umps are cheating? And not that there a shocking calls each way every week.
If you think they are out and out cheating, are you thinking that its more their love for west coast? or their hate for Freo? Or both? Is the cheating only going in derby's?
The eagles getting favoritism seems to be a massive topic, and I am wondering if it's a view of just freo fans or the entire comp? Why don't the ump continue to give us free kicks away from home?
For the sake of respecting your board lets not debate they free kicks, lets all agree that we are reviving preferential treatment, why is it the case, and why doesn't extend to interstate. Or What have freo done to the umps to get such bad treatment.
Mate, to be honest, it's the only conclusion I can come to. I know it sounds like sour grapes, but I have no other explanation. It happens week in, week out to us.
And yet you have...?I don't watch enough of Freo to comment.
And yet you have...?
You are in the Umpiring Thread on our board posting comments when you've just admitted you don't watch enough of Freo to comment. So why are you here then? Looks, feels and smells like a troll to me.Comment on the location and timing of your free kicks?
You are in the Umpiring Thread on our board posting comments when you've just admitted you don't watch enough of Freo to comment. So why are you here then? Looks, feels and smells like a troll to me.
I don't agree with all the comments by my fellow supporters in this thread but at least I've watched the games so I can participate in an educated conversation with them about it. What's your purpose being here?
Go back and look at your posts. You've contributed nothing of value to the conversation at all. All your questions are poor attempts to simplify the topic down to "do you think the AFL are pro West Coast or anti Freo" so you can go back to your board and paint all of our supporters as looney conspiracy theorists. Your questions have already been answered in detail through earlier posts by posters who have gone to considerable effort researching the area and have provided some really good data, tables and charts about their concerns.Dont be that guy, that descends this into "blah blah he goes for west coast". The conversation is tracking well.
Dude, you need to take your head out of the sand.The free kick count suggest we are both pretty much inline with each other of for v against. And are both pretty much inline with the rest of the comp.
Are we now talking "quality of free kicks".
I don't watch enough of Freo to comment.
I just think supporters can blow things up to be bigger than they are in real life. On all sides of football.
Dude, you need to take your head out of the sand.
Since 2010 to now West Coast have had a team Free Kick Differential of +505, Freo have had -104.
(After West Coast, the next best off team is North Melbourne with +195. The worst team is Brisbane Lions with -272.)
In 4 of those 8 seasons, West Coast have had the highest Free Kick Differential in the entire AFL Compeition (2nd twice, 3rd once, 6th once).