List Mgmt. 2019 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals Thread - Part II

[Grand Uncle Horace]

There is no reason at all that if we need to be offering a high pick for Daniher.

It's fine if Essendon say no.

He can stay, and they can torpedo another season with the off field drama of their highest paid player sitting in rehab and obviously walking out in 12 months. Not too mention a lame duck coach who knows he is gone as well.

How can I like this Post even more.

 

[swansfan51]

Oh well still held out hope Papley wasn’t true

The swans have confirmed it on the club website

 

[dosser]

Just wrong. Essendon DON'T rate Daniher as the HAVEN'T offered him a contract so that shows what Essendon thinks about Daniher and he is worth not much at this time but maybe different at the end of next year.



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But he still has another 12 months on his current contract. Dodo will just argue that they haven't offered an extension yet because it hasn't been due.

 

[The King!]

The swans have confirmed it on the club website

Yeah sorry that is what I meant , now it’s true, until that point I thought it may be a rumour still (unlikely of course)

 

[6yearsold]

The lifestyle stuff is utter garbage. IMO, it is all about JDs next contract. Essendon won't give him an extension so his management came running to Sydney to take on the risk. As far as Sydney is concerned, we already have a market attraction we are paying in excess of 1 million a season. Have we gone that far backwards in terms of fan maturity that we need two now? I thought we'd matured to the point where we were enjoying watching young players bloom into premiership contenders? If this JD deal goes down to our detriment it suggests to me that the clubs leaders are stuck in a model that has been partly superceded.

 

[The King!]

Not sure we can be too angry that Essendon would want to play hard ball or make it known joe is required

 

[6yearsold]

As for Papley, if it is about the health of an immediate family member, then fair enough. If it is about a mid twenties man boy's girlfriend, then see out your contract. There is plenty of time to hang out with the nurse and that whinging sad sac Newman when you're not playing football for the club that plucked you from an obscure sewer.

 

[Tesla Tenet]

But he still has another 12 months on his current contract. Dodo will just argue that they haven't offered an extension yet because it hasn't been due.

Good clubs extend them early.

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[ashep]

Dodoro would be negligent if he didn't open negotiations asking for Heeney or Blakey. I don't know why people are so up in arms about the Bombers playing hardball publicly.

 

[MRZPS]

Think we need to think outside the box regarding the Daniher situation. Pick 5 seems to not be able to be removed from the conversation from an Essendon perspective because it is the highest pick we have, whilst the swans still have a need to bring through more top end talent, which we shouldn’t compromise on.

Could we offer pick 5 to the giants for their first 2 picks? That’s give them the best case of getting a top end player plus Green which I’m sure they’d want whilst giving us more realistic draft picks to negotiate for Daniher. It would then adjust the highest pick we have from an Essendon perspective to Pick 9, which I think wouldn’t be unreasonable.
We could then have something like the below:
Gain: Daniher (lose Papley / pick 9), pick 12, pick 18, 2020 second round pick (Jones)
Lose: Jones, pick 5, Papley (exchange Papley to pick 9 to then pass on for Daniher)
Got to give something to get something, ideally don’t want to be giving too much for Daniher, at least this way we can still keep a presence in the draft and secure he opportunity to bring more depth that we have lost. Or we could get involved with the eagles who seem to also be stuck with the value of Kelly.


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[The King!]

Dodoro would be negligent if he didn't open negotiations asking for Heeney or Blakey. I don't know why people are so up in arms about the Bombers playing hardball publicly.

Especially like what 2 hours into trade week

 

[dosser]

Good clubs extend them early.

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I agree. However that is probably going to be his argument.

 

[60sbomber]

There is no reason at all that if we need to be offering a high pick for Daniher.

It's fine if Essendon say no.

He can stay, and they can torpedo another season with the off field drama of their highest paid player sitting in rehab and obviously walking out in 12 months. Not too mention a lame duck coach who knows he is gone as well.

I think we are agreed. Joe should stay and everyone is happy (except Joe, the poor dear).
He should play out his contract and actually get on the field and get a kick, to demonstrate he is worth $800k a year, whether it be from the Swans via a trade, or from Essendon via a contract renewal.
And forget getting him for free via DFA. Essendon only have to match to scuttle that.

 

[Opts]

If we say pick 9.

And they say eff off.

They get stuck with a half-hearted player who walks and they might end up with an end of first round compo if he walks as a FA.

So really the question for Essendon is pick 9 now or pick 19 next year?

If they lose him as a restricted free agent they will have the option to match. If they don't the compensation pick will most likely be the pick after their first, which could be around pick 10 if they finish 9th. That's my understanding.

 

[TheMase]

If they lose him as a restricted free agent they will have the option to match. If they don't the compensation pick will most likely be the pick after their first, which could be around pick 10 if they finish 9th. That's my understanding.

And given the “compromised” nature of the 2020 draft* that pick 10 could well slide too, making it less attractive.

*17 of the 48 players selected for the under 17 futures game are tied to clubs via F/S, Academy and NGA.

 

[Tesla Tenet]

Dodoro would be negligent if he didn't open negotiations asking for Heeney or Blakey. I don't know why people are so up in arms about the Bombers playing hardball publicly.

It's all PA.

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[Tesla Tenet]

Dodoro would be negligent if he didn't open negotiations asking for Heeney or Blakey. I don't know why people are so up in arms about the Bombers playing hardball publicly.

Also, why aren't we asking for Cripps and playing hardball for Papley.

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[Wolftone]

Second this...

Reality is. Overpaying a ruckman means you lose out elsewhere (e.g. midfield). Stats show that hit outs won doesn't = midfield advantage. Once the ball hits the deck there are many ways to win the ball.

Ruck is one position I wouldn't overspend on, particularly if you're overpaying, it impacts your ability to retain high end talent in positions that have a greater contribution to the win e.g midfield, key forward.

Except if the Ruck man is a Brody Grundy who gets midfield numbers, gets the ground ball and is virtually another mid. Then you do whatever it takes. Hit outs don't matter? Tell that to Nick Davis with his roving of a set play from Jason Ball. Classic ruck/rover set play that got us into a GF. That tap contributed greatly to us winning the 2005 premiership. Ball loses that ta, p or it goes awry and we lose in the Prelim.

Do not lose track of the fact that we lost the Ruck battles badly last season. When we got really flogged by good rucks who fed their mids we got walloped. Ruck work, if it is top quality, can make a huge difference to the mids. For a start if they are getting at least 50% Ruck to advantage then they have a better chance of winning the clearances. The key word here is advantage. It is not good enough just to get thr hit out. A Ruck man must use that hit out to advantage his mids or he may as well not get the tap in the first place.

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[Opts]

Tools my friend, Rowbottom wasn’t in the others’ draft class!

If I recall correctly, you, me and one other poster were yelling out for us to draft Worpel at the time. I didn't have any inside knowledge on any negatives that the club may have had, but the fact that he was probably the no.1 draft pick 12 months earlier and that his stats had been so good in the year leading up to the draft should have made him an obvious first round pick IMO.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Also, why aren't we asking for Cripps and playing hardball for Papley.

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Yep Good position but we should also require the Pratt's and their goon Chris Judd resign from all positions at the Crims.

 

[mikey_san]

There is no reason at all that if we need to be offering a high pick for Daniher.

It's fine if Essendon say no.

He can stay, and they can torpedo another season with the off field drama of their highest paid player sitting in rehab and obviously walking out in 12 months. Not too mention a lame duck coach who knows he is gone as well.

I have more respect for them insisting on seeing him return to health before offering him a good contract, than us not only throwing money at a complete gamble, but trade picks too!
Lets face it if they hold him to his deal cause we uphold our dignity as a club and don't get rorted this year, and he comes good - they'll offer him a good deal and Joe will be like "Sydney who?"

Is there one person in the world who honestly doesn't think this is about Joe's money?

 

[Wolftone]

I think if we had a good midfield, Sinclair would look perfectly fine as a 1st ruck - a bit like the richmond rucks. It just looks diabolical when you are combining a mediocre ruck with a (below) mediocre midfield.

Papley is not unhappy in Sydney. There are two reasons for his wanting to play in Melbourne. One is a family illness. He would prefer to be closer to home in case something happens. This is understandable. Secondly his girlfriend works/lives in Melbourne. Maintaining long distance relationships can be incredibly difficult and distance can place a strain on a relationship. So they are both very valid and sensible reasons to seek to live in Melbourne. But to say he is unhappy at Sydney is just incorrect. In fact all evidence would say otherwise. He is happy, enjoys the company of the boys and loves playing for the Swans. But other forces are at play due to those other two factors.

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[Wolftone]

I think if we had a good midfield, Sinclair would look perfectly fine as a 1st ruck - a bit like the richmond rucks. It just looks diabolical when you are combining a mediocre ruck with a (below) mediocre midfield.

No, Sinclair and will never be a first Ruck. He does not tap to advantage enough. His tap to advantage % is very low. That is why he is not an option as a full time first Ruck. Jason Ball was a really great Ruck man. The only reason West Coast delisted or traded him was because they had Cox and Seaby. Ball was seen as being over the hill. He was one of the best tap to advantage rucks ever.

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[zyzzbruh]

No, Sinclair and will never be a first Ruck. He does not tap to advantage enough. His tap to advantage % is very low. That is why he is not an option as a full time first Ruck. Jason Ball was a really great Ruck man. The only reason West Coast delisted or traded him was because they had Cox and Seaby. Ball was seen as being over the hill. He was one of the best tap to advantage rucks ever.

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Richmond has proven twice now that you don't need a dominant ruckman to get somewhere

 

[Wolftone]

We do? Kennedy has been legendary, but past his prime once 2020 rolls around, Parker is not a #1 mid, he needs 1 or two other ahead of him, jones is gone.
Hewitt, heeney (& mills?) Are emerging, but that group are not top 5 in the league. I don't even know how many midfield are ahead of them... but there are a few

If your rucks are getting slaughtered and don't hit to advantage when they do get a tap the mids are starting a long way back. If it was the Stall Gift they would be on a 20 metre penalty. Our mids had to battle under very tough conditions last season. They did pretty well considering.

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