List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread II

[DuckYeah]

IIRC Martin was on 1.2

Length of contract? From memory he was given around the 700k mark?

 

[Thewlis Dish]

North offers big money: "we have to meet the minimum cap/we've frontloaded deals"

Another club offers big money: "is there even a salary cap?"

 

[giantroo]

Concussion in the AFL | Former St Kilda Saint Paddy McCartin is ready, willing and able to return

Former Saint Paddy McCartin has been symptom-free this year after struggling through 2019 with the effects of concussion, and has decided he wants to return.

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[DuckYeah]

North offers big money: "we have to meet the minimum cap/we've frontloaded deals"

Another club offers big money: "is there even a salary cap?"

Lol we dont have cripps on 900, mcgovern on 800, martin on 700, docherty on 6’s, Curnow on 6’s? the recent williams on 750’s then saad wanting 7-800? Gtfoh You’re talkin close to 5m bananas of the cap in 7 players.. that has to raise questions.. Ive left Murphy out as he’d be on the veterans list

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Lol we dont have cripps on 900, mcgovern on 800, martin on 700, docherty on 6’s, Curnow on 6’s? the recent williams on 750’s then saad wanting 7-800? Gtfoh You’re talkin close to 5m bananas of the cap in 7 players.. that has to raise questions.. Ive left Murphy out as he’d be on the veterans list

Is there somewhere where this is published? I never know what opposition players are on and how their contracts are structured but it would be handy to know.

 

[benbanjo]

What did they pay Martin and McGovern in their first years?

i’d be very surprised if Kreuzer and Simpson were anywhere near a million combined.. With one of them on the veterans or marc murphy

Vet is only like 100k these days i think.
This both the other guys were above 800k this year.

 

[GreatBradScott]

Betts, Murphy, Ed Curnow, Casboult are 30 and over, they'll phase them out to fit in the kids like Walsh on bigger deals.

I do think after Williams and Saad, their capacity to take on a bumper contract will them move into extreme mode. ie. 104% of the cap one year to pay 96% the next. *which is allowed.

It's essentially betting on internal improvement. If it doesn't come, they can't add much else.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Lol we dont have cripps on 900, mcgovern on 800, martin on 700, docherty on 6’s, Curnow on 6’s? the recent williams on 750’s then saad wanting 7-800? Gtfoh You’re talkin close to 5m bananas of the cap in 7 players.. that has to raise questions.. Ive left Murphy out as he’d be on the veterans list

I don't think there is a veterans list anymore, Murphy would be on ok coin. There's rumours back when he signed that Charlie Curnow is on 800k.

It's fine if they are paying these guys, most of the list would be on low end of the scale but if Saad went there it's because they're finalising the side they think will win a flag. Would there be much spare after that?

 

[Gasometer]

It’s interesting that the Neeld GoDeez saga is rolled out but on the flip side there’s the McCartney GoDoggys saga and well we know how that turned out.

 

[Mav]

Is there somewhere where this is published? I never know what opposition players are on and how their contracts are structured but it would be handy to know.

Na, it’s just media speculation, which of course is ok to quote...unless it’s Kane Cornes speaking about our players.

 

[7577969923]

It’s interesting that the Neeld GoDeez saga is rolled out but on the flip side there’s the McCartney GoDoggys saga and well we know how that turned out.

Or Blight to Adelaide and culling three of their most beloved senior players.

 

[darko]

What did they pay Martin and McGovern in their first years?

i’d be very surprised if Kreuzer and Simpson were anywhere near a million combined.. With one of them on the veterans or marc murphy

I reckon Kreuzer was on 600-700. Simpson less than that. No idea on McGovern and Martin but I did hear they were heavily frontloaded especially Martin.

 

[Gasometer]

Or Blight to Adelaide and culling three of their most beloved senior players.

Good point Numbers

 

[The Filth Wizard]

It’s interesting that the Neeld GoDeez saga is rolled out but on the flip side there’s the McCartney GoDoggys saga and well we know how that turned out.

We'll know if it all worked out when we start getting called brave.

 

[Devington]

It’s interesting that the Neeld GoDeez saga is rolled out but on the flip side there’s the McCartney GoDoggys saga and well we know how that turned out.

It's an interesting comparison and didn't completely escape my attention. Coach 1, a long time coach, leaves the list a mess. Coach 2 comes in and gets a lot of players/cliques offside while rebuilding the list. Coach 2 gets the ass and Coach 3 comes in and inherits a list in a MUCH better shape than his predecessor and gets a premiership in short order.

I've said a few times that I think Rawlings is a locked in longer term prospect than Shaw, and that Shaw may well end up being the scapegoat (rightly or wrongly) used for poor performances while we transition the list to a stage where we can eventually compete at the pointy end.

 

[krakouers]

We'll know if it all worked out when we start getting called brave.

#sobravenorf

nah, it won’t catch on

 

[Marstermind]

It's an interesting comparison and didn't completely escape my attention. Coach 1, a long time coach, leaves the list a mess. Coach 2 comes in and gets a lot of players/cliques offside while rebuilding the list. Coach 2 gets the ass and Coach 3 comes in and inherits a list in a MUCH better shape than his predecessor and gets a premiership in short order.

I've said a few times that I think Rawlings is a locked in longer term prospect than Shaw, and that Shaw may well end up being the scapegoat (rightly or wrongly) used for poor performances while we transition the list to a stage where we can eventually compete at the pointy end.

And who would that be? No one would have foreseen that Beveridge would win a flag in his second year and was part of a master plan.

If true, Brady hasn't got some untried coach lined up. It's someone with runs on the board. And who would that be? Horse had the chance when Rhyce was signed and hasn't lived in Melbourne for 20 years. Simmo is entrenched in Perth and can win more flags there.

So you're inferring that Brady has Clarkson teed-up for 2022?

 

[Gasometer]

It's an interesting comparison and didn't completely escape my attention. Coach 1, a long time coach, leaves the list a mess. Coach 2 comes in and gets a lot of players/cliques offside while rebuilding the list. Coach 2 gets the ass and Coach 3 comes in and inherits a list in a MUCH better shape than his predecessor and gets a premiership in short order.

I've said a few times that I think Rawlings is a locked in longer term prospect than Shaw, and that Shaw may well end up being the scapegoat (rightly or wrongly) used for poor performances while we transition the list to a stage where we can eventually compete at the pointy end.

Well I certainly have missed those emotions that we experienced when we were playing in those 2014/15 MCG Finals.

Going back further that season of 1993 when we rose from nowhere.

Those that were there will remember it and those that weren’t old enough, well let’s hope this pain enables you to enjoy the same ride

 

[SpiderBurton22]

And who would that be? No one would have foreseen that Beveridge would win a flag in his second year and was part of a master plan.

If true, Brady hasn't got some untried coach lined up. It's someone with runs on the board. And who would that be? Horse had the chance when Rhyce was signed and hasn't lived in Melbourne for 20 years. Simmo is entrenched in Perth and can win more flags there.

So you're inferring that Brady has Clarkson teed-up for 2022?

When's Simmo signed up till, 22?

 

[Star]

Concussion in the AFL | Former St Kilda Saint Paddy McCartin is ready, willing and able to return

Former Saint Paddy McCartin has been symptom-free this year after struggling through 2019 with the effects of concussion, and has decided he wants to return.

www.theage.com.au

If a bunch of expert concussion medicos clear him, I’m not going to be deterred by Bigfooty doctors. This guy is a colossus with an incredible pair of hands. There’s your stop gap right there, and we’re in the box seat.

Make it happen Euge!

 

[giantroo]

If a bunch of expert concussion medicos clear him, I’m not going to be deterred by Bigfooty doctors. This guy is a colossus with an incredible pair of hands. There’s your stop gap right there, and we’re in the box seat.

Make it happen Euge!

Definitely worth a crack

 

[Devington]

And who would that be? No one would have foreseen that Beveridge would win a flag in his second year and was part of a master plan.

If true, Brady hasn't got some untried coach lined up. It's someone with runs on the board. And who would that be? Horse had the chance when Rhyce was signed and hasn't lived in Melbourne for 20 years. Simmo is entrenched in Perth and can win more flags there.

So you're inferring that Brady has Clarkson teed-up for 2022?

No implications. Just noticing a potential path forwards and the similarities to a recent premiership. Although I genuinely do wonder as to whether Brady, or perhaps someone (or multiple) on the board thought that there was every chance the list would need a proper, and potentially messy, rebuild and that it might be extra handy to have a disposable senior coach AKA a rookie on low (by industry standard) wages on a 2 year contract.

 

[Ashley B]

Why would we take another player on with this issue when we just delisted one with similar issues.

 

[Devington]

Why would we take another player on with this issue when we just delisted one with similar issues.

Because they might both involve concussion as a factor but their case history is nothing alike.

 

[Ashley B]

I just think we have had our fair share of players with long term injuries on our list , wouldn't take much for him to get another head knock.