List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread I

[amaz199]

1.1m is perfectly reasonable money for Harry.

If * take him at 1.3 and he accepts then cool.

That's another 5 years without a finals win for him and the club.

 

[shinboner magic]

1.1m is perfectly reasonable money for Harry.

If * take him at 1.3 and he accepts then cool.

That's another 5 years without a finals win for him and the club.

Blues should ask for parish and McGrath

 

[Themanbun]

Blues should ask for parish and McGrath

They will hope to offer Shiel and a pick IMO. Carlton might go for it too, given their midfield is bare outside of Cripps and Walsh.

 

[shinboner magic]

They will hope to offer Shiel and a pick IMO. Carlton might go for it too, given their midfield is bare outside of Cripps and Walsh.

Yeah probably Shiel and smith

 

[kool kangas]

Blues should ask for parish and McGrath

l was under the impression that if he is walked to the PSD then that club doesn't have to give Calton anything and its the AFL that hands out a compensation pick for him...Isn't this true?

 

[Lomas]

Do you have any other news?

Well

l was under the impression that if he is walked to the PSD then that club doesn't have to give Calton anything and its the AFL that hands out a compensation pick for him...Isn't this true?

Not a restricted free agent, so no.

 

[kool kangas]

Well

Not a restricted free agent, so no.

But he is out of contract, doesn't that help?

 

[Lomas]

But he is out of contract, doesn't that help?

The afl won't give compensation in that case. Only with free agents.

 

[shinboner magic]

But he is out of contract, doesn't that help?

He’s free of trade if he hits the drafts

 

[kool kangas]

Well

Not a restricted free agent, so no.

l just read this: The lack of free agency was a powerful bargaining tool during trade week, as the team with the first pick can refuse a trade for a current uncontracted player at another club, and then recruit the player that wants to join their team for free with the first pick in the pre-season draft without giving anything to the other club

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

North Melbourne

Robbie Tarrant

Jack Ziebell

Shaun Atley

Taylor Garner^

Trent Dumont

Kyron Hayden*^

William Walker*

Tom Campbell*

Joshua Walker*^

Connor Menadue*

The longest list in the AFL, and time may be up for some of them, though there’s no way the Kangaroos will have as big of a list cull as last year. But they could still be brutal because Tarrant, Ziebell, Campbell, Atley and Josh Walker are among their 10 oldest players, with Garner 11th and Dumont 15th. Even when going into a deep rebuild it’s common practice to keep a few veterans around so they won’t all go, obviously, but some may.

The 119 AFL players still in contract limbo — from gun free agents to fringe talents

The 119 AFL players still in contract limbo — from gun free agents to fringe talents

www.foxsports.com.au

Correct.

The cull won't be as great this year as 2020 but it will be deep - minimum 8 but potentially up to 10 depending upon the deals that are done and the compensation for players like Dumont/Atley.

Plenty to play out over the second half of 2021 - alot of players playing for only a coupe of spots on the NMFC list.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

l was under the impression that if he is walked to the PSD then that club doesn't have to give Calton anything and its the AFL that hands out a compensation pick for him...Isn't this true?

If Harry wants to leave Carlton then the club he wants to go to will have to satisfy Carlton in a trade.

In the unusual event that a trade can't be organised then the pre season option is there for McKay.

If we happen to finish last then we have first pick at him.

If that happens Carlton end up with nothing - there is no compensation pick. (Compensation picks are only for FA's - McKay is not at that length of service yet.)

 

[Snake_Baker]

If Harry wants to leave Carlton then the club he wants to go to will have to satisfy Carlton in a trade.

Not if Harry nominates the side that finishes last.

 

[shinboner magic]

Who’s a better forward pocket betts or buddy

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Not if Harry nominates the side that finishes last.

Correct - and tonight's result makes that very interesting.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Correct - and tonight's result makes that very interesting.

I still think it's a 1000-1 shot, but if Harry really wanted out to North, and we finished last, then North would be the only side Carlton couldn't bully for a trade, and I am sure they would ask for the farm and more, and who could blame them?

 

[Lomas]

Not if Harry nominates the side that finishes last.

Wow, Snake going the PSD route. You've changed man!

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

I still think it's a 1000-1 shot, but if Harry really wanted out to North, and we finished last, then North would be the only side Carlton couldn't bully for a trade, and I am sure they would ask for the farm and more, and who could blame them?

Maybe more like 50-1 - ie highly unlikely but stranger things have happened....

At the end of the day we couldn't and wouldn't satisfy them in a trade - equal value they would want his brother in a trade as an example or say LDU plus Polec - it would have to be via PSD.

 

[Frank Thring]

The only way we get McKay is to give up 2 first rounders.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The only way we get McKay is to give up 2 first rounders.

I reckon it would be 2021 2nd round and 2022 1st round.

That's a pretty fair trade.

If they don't like it, then they can play chicken with the PSD.

 

[Frank Thring]

I reckon it would be 2021 2nd round and 2022 1st round.

That's a pretty fair trade.

If they don't like it, then they can play chicken with the PSD.

Nope, would you take that for Ben?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Maybe more like 50-1 - ie highly unlikely but stranger things have happened....

At the end of the day we couldn't and wouldn't satisfy them in a trade - equal value they would want his brother in a trade as an example or say LDU plus Polec - it would have to be via PSD.

If he was set to leave and we offered them next years first and this years second they'd baulk for a day, within which we may just take that 2nd off the table. They're not dumb, they also know the power of the PSD and either way even with this years 1st off the table we have better trade value than pretty much any other suitor. They're never going to "win" a trade where he goes to North, the challenge is luring him.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Nope, would you take that for Ben?

They wouldn't have a ****ing choice mate.

 

[Snake_Baker]

If he was set to leave and we offered them next years first and this years second they'd baulk for a day, within which we may just take that 2nd off the table. They're not dumb, they also know the power of the PSD and either way even with this years 1st off the table we have better trade value than pretty much any other suitor. They're never going to "win" a trade where he goes to North, the challenge is luring him.

Bingo.

When a destination club holds PSD 1, then they only have to be seen to make a "reasonable" offer.

If the originating club plays hard ball then they have to play roulette with the PSD or ND.

 

[Merlin007]

The only way we get McKay is to give up 2 first rounders.

The club's scenario planning would be interesting right now - if the rumour of our offer of 1.1m x 5 is right (and it sounds feasible), they must have given some thought as to how to make it happen, but I'll bet London to a brick it won't involve giving up this year's first.

I agree Carlton will want as a minimum two firsts, but that only leaves our future first next year, so PSD seems the most likely path, but that would poison relations for all time - that actually doesn't happen all that much in trade environments - probably Sydney torching GWS over Buddy 10 years ago is the most recent; even Jack Martin to Carlton via the PSD was a choice GC made, as they turned down a half way reasonable offer