List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread I

[The Nostradamus]

1. with the right additions we can play finals next year
2. Mitch wallis is not one of them

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[shinboner magic]

So Malthouse doesn’t want us to replace the guys due to retire with high class FA but wants to chase Mitch Wallis.
If he said a high class half back where we are lacking - fair enough.

 

[justroyal]

Dickhead.
We played well without Tarrant too.
So basically, we need to replace Goldstien and Ziebell?
In the grand scheme of things, that's your big concern?

 

[nelroo]

So Malthouse doesn’t want us to replace the guys due to retire with high class FA but wants to chase Mitch Wallis.
If he said a high class half back where we are lacking - fair enough.

Mitch Wallis lol… yeah nah..
if talent like Kelly is available as a free agent, you take it you goose Malthouse considering no draft picks needed.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Mitch Wallis would be fine midfield depth in the right age range if we cut Tyson and lost Dumont. He would be nowhere near the best 22 though, so I don't know what the attraction for him would be.

 

[shinboner magic]

Dickhead.
We played well without Tarrant too.
So basically, we need to replace Goldstien and Ziebell?
In the grand scheme of things, that's your big concern?

Tarrant, Goldy and cunners are the ones that need replacing.
Hopefully Edwards replaces Goldy in a few years ,Horne -cunners , taz is the one that we need to replace.
Ziebs position can hopefully be covered by bonar/corr

 

[the big lebowski]

Malthouse: Why Roos must not pull free agency trigger

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Mick Malthouse: David Noble and Kangaroos need to bide their time with big free agency signing
The young Kangaroos and new coach David Noble are suddenly making all the right sounds but they shouldn’t overreach by going after a big fish just yet, writes Mick Malthouse.

Mick Malthouse

4 min read
July 17, 2021 - 11:00AM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom

People gave up on North Melbourne pretty early this season.

Free agents had rejected them. Draftees reluctantly went to Arden Street. Without a standout star it wasn’t even clear who the club identified with. And it all seemed like a thankless job for new coach David Noble.

After eight straight losses, some of them thrashings, a seven-point win over Hawthorn in Round 9 was the start of a resurrection.


I admire Noble for the subtle changes he made after those losses.

Initially, as former football general manager at Brisbane, Noble appeared to be trying to replicate Chris Fagan’s successful Lions’ structure of last year. But that was a trap because that game style didn’t automatically work for North.

David Noble and his young side has made considerable progress in the back half of the season.

A Round 1, 52-point loss to Port Adelaide, Round 2, 59-point loss to Gold Coast, and a 128-point loss to the Western Bulldogs in Round 3 served as a reminder that each team must be coached according to its strengths.

North is now securing the ball and being proactive while not trying to chew off more than its skill level allows.

The win in Perth last Monday against a highly-talented West Coast side showed the maturity North has developed in its past eight games.



This mini-revival does not get North out of the woods, but its senior players have stepped up, its younger players have grown, and its overall game structure has given it a soundness and confidence that it can enter its remaining six games as a winning chance every week.
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And it has all been inspired by the new coach who has held his nerve and done a terrific job.

But still, some facts remain.

North is led by lion-hearted, former mid now backman, Jack Ziebell, who always does a sterling job.

The team is glued together by Ziebell and Todd Goldstein — an elite ruckman who can run all day and kick goals, Robbie Tarrant as a key back, and Ben Cunnington who has been magnificent in the clinches this year.

Noble’s subtle changes after heavy season-opening defeats have worked well.

The big worry is that these players aren’t young anymore, so who replaces them when they retire?

There’ll be free agents every year and bottom clubs will continue to chase those big names. In the Kangaroos’ case, this is not a negative, but I can’t see them finishing in the final eight for the next couple of years at least, and as free agents come at a high cost and have minimal career years left, quite frankly, I think it is a waste of time for them.



They have constantly been rejected by big-name free agents in recent years, electing to take Jared Polec and Jasper Pittard from Port Adelaide in 2018 as a fall back, maybe to prove they could secure established players. But neither player improved the team dramatically, instead taking positions that could have been given to younger players. Pittard was delisted at the end of last year and Polec has been injured for most of this season.

Looking at the free agent list — restricted and unrestricted — there would only be two players that North should contemplate.

One would be the Western Bulldogs’ Mitch Wallis, not that he’s a champion, but he has great leadership qualities and would be an extremely professional player who could assist North’s youngsters.

The other is Mabior Chol from Richmond, because he could play senior football immediately as a solid secondary ruck for 33-year-old Goldstein.

Most of the top free agents have already been signed up. If you go to free agency and pay big money you need to secure a constant match winner. Josh Kelly was reportedly offered a multimillion-dollar eight-year-deal with the Giants, which is craziness.

Mabior Chol would make a good fit at North as a secondary ruckman.

North shouldn’t even entertain that type of player or that type of money.

If they want to supplement their list, at a pinch they could look at St Kilda’s Jack Billings or Tom Lynch from Adelaide, taking into consideration fitness, injuries, and the pay packet.

North should focus entirely on the national draft as it will serve the Roos well if they pick solidly for the future, not for quick fixes.

They were fortunate to fall upon Jaidyn Stephenson cheaply from Collingwood, but that situation isn’t likely to be replicated. He played his best game for the season against the Eagles.

Tom Powell, taken at No. 13 in the 2020 draft, is the sort of player North should invest in.

Will Phillips, selected at No. 3 last year, is a great investment, even if his figures aren’t grand at the moment.

Ben McKay, taken with the 21st pick in 2015, is a certainty to become one of the top echelon key backs of the competition. At 201cm he can handle most key forwards and will only get better. So it does take time, patience, and a good deal of work.

Western Bulldogs’ Mitch Wallis has great leadership qualities and could help in the development of the young Kangas.

Nick Larkey (pick 73 in 2017), Charlie Lazzaro (pick 36 in 2020), Tristan Xerri (pick 72 in 2017), Jack Mahoney (pick 34 in 2017) — give them time and they will all come through together, and North will be better for it.

Already there’s clear signs of improvement.

Larkey needs support on the forward line but he is potentially a 50-goal plus full-forward. Medium-forward Cameron Zurhaar is starting to realise his potential.

Tarryn Thomas is going to be an outstanding player. With all the attributes of an exciting, beautifully skilled and balanced player who can kick the clutch goals, he has a really bright future.

Jy Simpkin, an excellent midfielder who has snuck under the radar, just gets on with the job.

With similar traits to Ziebell, Luke McDonald could be North’s next captain. Steady, hard at it and committed, you always know what you’re going to get from him.

Saturday’s game against Essendon will be another test for North, but if slow and steady wins the race then the signs are looking good, and North supporters have every reason to be optimistic.

Ok Boomer

 

[nelroo]

Tarrant, Goldy and cunners are the ones that need replacing.
Hopefully Edwards replaces Goldy in a few years ,Horne -cunners , taz is the one that we need to replace.
Ziebs position can hopefully be covered by bonar/corr

Yep Goldie and Tarrant are the ones.. but having said that all are playing great footy. Not as if they are on their last legs. Some clever recruiting and we will be fine. You never replace them like for like but we are building a good structure and game plan where players only need to play their role as a minimum.

 

[Mjs94]

He is right that we shouldn't offer Kelly 8 x $1m, but Mitch Wallis? No thanks.

 

[King Corey]

Mitch Wallis would be a good value pick-up.

 

[KiwiRoo]

Mitch Wallis would be a good value pick-up.

What would we pay for him ?

dont mind the idea for some depth

 

[Reginald0]

From Monday nite winning team
Add
Corr
Powell
Ando
Bonar pretty likely

and next year High pick like Phillips

just got to get them on the park

 

[The acurate one]

So we trading Xerri?

 

[Reginald0]

X looks a likely type
We will need an enforcer to protect the youngsters
Look at Brissy clouting TT

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Mitch Wallis would be a good value pick-up.

He's a good player and I like him but we've got medium forwards coming out our ears atm. Don't think we need a general forward unless it's a genuine pacy goalkicking small.

 

[RossHenshaw]

From Monday nite winning team
Add
Corr
Powell
Ando
Bonar pretty likely

and next year High pick like Phillips

just got to get them on the park

And next year. Perez , Kyron , Comben , Ford

 

[hilly]

Mitch Wallis not the same since that horrific injury. Hard pass for me.

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[Kangaroos4eva]

I’ve come full circle on Wallis. Really wanted him a few months back, but he just seems past it now and our list has come on really quick.

 

[Mjs94]

Mitch Wallis would be a good value pick-up.

Would rather give Garner another year and hope Zurhaar and one of Ford or Taylor overtake him (Zurhaar already has).

 

[Marstermind]

Seriously?

One uneventful Tuesday morning in early September, the phone rings in Brady Rawlings

Brady Rawlings

Age

42

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184cm

Wt

82kg

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' office. Casually Brady looks up from considering his next move in Words With Friends and wearily answers it.

"Hello?"

"Brady? It's Josh Kelly here. Now that the season is over and the Giants have missed the finals again, I've decided I'd like to play for North Melbourne for the rest of my career."

Brady sighs. He sends the word "dog" to his opponent. It's not a great move but at least the 'G' was on a triple letter score. He considers what Kelly has said. "Hmm. 27yo All-Australian and best and fairest winner. Leadership qualities in spades. Will immediately make the club better and play 100+ more games. Free agent so no cost except cap space. But there's plenty of that."

"Nah mate. We're looking for more of a Mitch Wallis or Mabior Chol

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Mabior Chol

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

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Fwd

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7.5

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5.3

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1.8

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type. Thanks for the call."

He hangs up. At least he's picked up an 'X' and a 'J' and can play them on a triple word score next move.

 

[Luke72]

dogs pick 17 up for grabs as they look for more points to match darcy bid.
reckon we put in our 2nd this year and maybe a 3rd or something to get a 2nd first round pick.

Give them next year’s second and promise not to bid on Darcy

 

[Shinboner1]

Reckon lapinski would be fantastic for us

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Malthouse is an idiot...sure pick up Daisy Thomas and Liam Jones

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Liam Jones

Age

33

Ht

199cm

Wt

98kg

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9.4

2star

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6.5

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2.9

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M

4.3

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T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.1

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

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MG

116.3

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

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2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

on 4 year deals but North shouldn't sign a FA unless it is Wallis or CHol.

Way to mediocrity Mick.

Look obviously we will keep going to the draft but even Ziebell if he plays again won't be on the same coin along with Atley and guys like Tyson are cut.

Polec may be off loaded and so on. So it you have the coin, then sign a top player.

 

[Le Grille]

Honesty unless the player is absolutely elite and a fa I wouldn’t be chasing too much Wallis/Chol don’t really interest me, we have that side of things covered. No roughies, pick upgrades and elites only thanks


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[big_e]

Clubs such as Brisbane have so much depth on their lists they are struggling to find three players to delist at season’s end.