Review Good, Bad and Ugly vs Collingwood

[Mego Red]

The game is won and lost in the midfield, yet we continue to ignore this draft after draft.

Haven't we drafted Jones, McHenry, Pedlar, Cook (who in his draft year was more a forward) and even Rachele? There's plenty there that PLAYED mid, the question is whether they'll succeed their in the seniors.

 

[GROTTO]

I still think that's still optimistic. Rebuilds lead to more rebuilds until you nail enough drafts consecutively (which we have not).

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Oh definitely agree with this.

We wont be a flag chance till the 2030s.

 

[Mego Red]

He actually does, laced out a pass to Himmelberg from 50m out, off one step in the last quarter. Who then basically allowed the ball rebound off his head.

Yeah, he can kick, but he can't get the ball.

He doesn't ever get seperation from his defender so he never gets enough of the pill. He's ineffective.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Fogarty and Himmelberg were equally disastrous

Fog was chasing because he was playing from behind , trailing in then needing to chase his opponent out

Himmelberg might have had 2 possession in ruck . Most were forward . If he had Fog’s skill and talent he may have actually helped us because he got the ball enough

But in the end both were net negative

AFL Player ratings were too optimistic on Himmelbergs game and about right on Fogs

Lol he wasn’t even chasing his direct opponent, this was after the ball came to ground, it had nothing to do with trailing his direct opponent. Berg had 3 more disposals, so if he’d had it enough, Fog couldn’t have been far off

 

[pjcrows]

The first month of the season is when young sides are at their freshest. If we're already looking slow/in need of a rocket then you'd be concerned about what's to come.

 

[Damp Squarie]

The first month of the season is when young sides are at their freshest. If we're already looking slow/in need of a rocket then you'd be concerned about what's to come.

It’s gonna be a very long and frustrating season.

 

[Magma]

Keays is far and away our best mid, if he could kick like Dawson he'd be a Brownlow contender

he'd still be at brisbane too

 

[FullyBigKPro]

The first month of the season is when young sides are at their freshest. If we're already looking slow/in need of a rocket then you'd be concerned about what's to come.

This is the worry for mine.... The cop out will be that "Burgess pushed them to hard to early" etc... But its the overall lack of intensity that really worries me.

 

[Mego Red]

One thing that's getting quite overlooked is DEVELOPMENT.

Player Development.

We really have a large batch of youngish players that just seem to be going nowhere.

This is what player development looks like.

A bunch of kids running out each week are gonna get spanked. What else were you expecting?

Put MORE kids in, we're only going to look worse.

Until we can get 40+ games into those players we genuinely think are the future of the club, we're gonna look horrendous.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Lol he wasn’t even chasing his direct opponent, this was after the ball came to ground, it had nothing to do with trailing his direct opponent. Berg had 3 more disposals, so if he’d had it enough, Fog couldn’t have been far off

You haven’t watched closely enough

Multiple times ground balls came in to areas 10-25M out and his opponent is leading him in and then rebound out

Woosh

It isn’t isolated either

 

[Mr_Moogle]

This Club is so far from Finals footy its not funny.

2025 at the earliest and thats being conservative.

I just can't see a light at the end of the tunnel. It's plainly obvious that the recruiters are terrible and the coaches aren't up to it but there are no signs that any of this will change. At least back in 2019 with the Pyke/Burton regime, the club was aware it had issues. Right now the club is in complete denial. They still worship Ogilvie and Nicks just got an extension. We will have years of pain to endure, just to get to a second rebuild.

 

[Pugsley]

It’s gonna be a very long and frustrating season.

Luckily my hand is broken

 

[Jeffcrowe]

All valid points!

But what can Nicks really do with a bunch of inexperienced kids? Is it really his fault?

It’s going to be hard but you need to know where you’re at so you can focus on developing players

 

[GROTTO]

I just can't see a light at the end of the tunnel. It's plainly obvious that the recruiters are terrible and the coaches aren't up to it but there are no signs that any of this will change. At least back in 2019 with the Pyke/Burton regime, the club was aware it had issues. Right now the club is in complete denial. They still worship Ogilvie and Nicks just got an extension. We will have years of pain to endure, just to get to a second rebuild.

Sad call. Accurate call. Its where we are at.

Hopefully in our second rebuild, we get it right.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

All valid points!

But what can Nicks really do with a bunch of inexperienced kids? Is it really his fault?

Not persist with the current midfield set-up for starters.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

This is what player development looks like.

A bunch of kids running out each week are gonna get spanked. What else were you expecting?

Put MORE kids in, we're only going to look worse.

Until we can get 40+ games into those players we genuinely think are the future of the club, we're gonna look horrendous.

Sydney played kids/young players like Wicks, Warner, Goulden, Campbell, Hayward, Florent, Blakey, McDonald and didn't look like garbage?

 

[GROTTO]

Sydney played kids/young players like Wicks, Warner, Goulden, Campbell, Hayward, Florent, Blakey, McDonald and didn't look like garbage?

Thats a solid bunch of kids there, wowee.

 

[Bovo]

It’s going to be hard but you need to know where you’re at so you can focus on developing players

Perhaps it will be more important to manage the expectations of the fans! I’d be saying that although we’d never deliberately drop a game, we make no apologies that we have to try and fast track the development of these kids. That means exposure to the highest level and coming against slexperienced teams. But saying we will review the match and learn from it is cheap!

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Thats a solid bunch of kids there, wowee.

Yup and I know they have the Academy etc, but lets be honest - they are still kids and they throw them in and still look sharp.

 

[pjcrows]

Sydney played kids/young players like Wicks, Warner, Goulden, Campbell, Hayward, Florent, Blakey, McDonald and didn't look like garbage?

Sydney and Adelaide aren't comparable. They are gifted academy players. Plus they draft well.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Perhaps it will be more important to manage the expectations of the fans! I’d be saying that although we’d never deliberately drop a game, we make no apologies that we have to try and fast track the development of these kids. That means exposure to the highest level and coming against slexperienced teams. But saying we will review the match and learn from it is cheap!

As someone said also need senior players to play well to help them

Can’t just expose them all with no help or end up with plenty getting spat out of system

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Yup and I know they have the Academy etc, but lets be honest - they are still kids and they throw them in and still look sharp.

They don't have Ogilvie as their head recruiter and Longmire actually has balls.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Sydney and Adelaide aren't comparable. They are gifted academy players. Plus they draft well.

They get free ones but they also recruit better ones

Look at Warner for example

If he played for us we would think he’s a superstar

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Sydney played kids/young players like Wicks, Warner, Goulden, Campbell, Hayward, Florent, Blakey, McDonald and didn't look like garbage?

I wish we put pressure on sydney with the Pedlar pick and bid on gulden

With Campbell also needing to be matched it was bit of a chance

 

[pjcrows]

They get free ones but they also recruit better ones

Look at Warner for example

If he played for us we would think he’s a superstar

We'd play him in a forward pocket in the SANFL.