Big sample size thereWe had a home final in 2013 and bundled it because surprise surprise, we played like crap and the other team played better.
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Big sample size thereWe had a home final in 2013 and bundled it because surprise surprise, we played like crap and the other team played better.
How often have Brisbane gone out in straight sets at the Gabba in recent years? Even we did a number on them in a prelim up there. What different advantage do Geelong in Geelong get over Brisbane in Brisbane? None, but they still keep losing finals up there because they came up against better teams. West Coast in Perth are better than West Coast elsewhere, but it hasn't helped them at all this year because they are rubbish. Honestly, opposition supporters come up with better excuses for why Geelong lose games than some of our own.Big sample size there
Maybe.Garbage. We go crashing out of finals because we play like s**t, that's all there is to it. We had a home final in 2013 and bundled it because surprise surprise, we played like crap and the other team played better. If Kardinia Park is this mythical venue that gifts us wins like some think it does, why didn't it work then? Patch of grass, goal posts either end, better team wins.
Again, if a team doesn't make the top 8 it's not because of some ground advantage, it's simply because they're ordinary.Maybe.
But not all teams get an opportunity to play in a final.
You have to win enough games to make the eight.
Same applied to Port of early 00's losing finals at home. They went 2-6 in finals over a 3 year stretch, with 3 of the losses in AdelaideHow often have Brisbane gone out in straight sets at the Gabba in recent years?
How often have Brisbane gone out in straight sets at the Gabba in recent years? Even we did a number on them in a prelim up there. What different advantage do Geelong in Geelong get over Brisbane in Brisbane? None, but they still keep losing finals up there because they came up against better teams. West Coast in Perth are better than West Coast elsewhere, but it hasn't helped them at all this year because they are rubbish. Honestly, opposition supporters come up with better excuses for why Geelong lose games than some of our own.
Again, if a team doesn't make the top 8 it's not because of some ground advantage, it's simply because they're ordinary.
So then by your logic when Brisbane play in Melbourne they have no disadvantage, but Geelong faces a massive disadvantage because of the ground dimensions. Yet we had no problem trouncing Hawthorn and Collingwood in the 2011 finals at the MCG. Circular arguments are pretty boring so I'm tapping out for now, but the fascination supporters of Melbourne-based teams have over Geelong playing in Geelong in something I've never experienced in any sport before. I think it's jealously, could be wrong.Big difference between Brisbane and Geelong.
The GABBA and the MCG are basically the same size ( 170.6 x 149 GABBA)( 172.9 x 147.8 MCG )
Geelong's ground is ( 170 x 115m). KP is the most unique sized ground in the AFL, and a massive advantage to Geelong. This advantage is amplified even further by the fact that Geelong train at the ground, the only AFL club that has the privilege of actually training on their home ground.
The above probably gift Geelong 2/3 games a year, no other club has an advantage like that
So then by your logic when Brisbane play in Melbourne they have no disadvantage, but Geelong faces a massive disadvantage because of the ground dimensions. Yet we had no problem trouncing Hawthorn and Collingwood in the 2011 finals at the MCG. Circular arguments are pretty boring so I'm tapping out for now, but the fascination supporters of Melbourne-based teams have over Geelong playing in Geelong in something I've never experienced in any sport before. I think it's jealously, could be wrong.
I think it's more an entire generation now think all grounds should be the same size, whereas not that long ago they were all different. A bit like cricket grounds (in Australia particularly) in the past, there was variety and each had its own character.
I've always thought as long as it's an oval with goalposts the rest doesn't matter. Kardinia Park doesn't need to be widened any more than the SCG needs to be lengthened. Once they added the 50 metre lines you suddenly realised how short that ground is.
You're attacking a bit of a straw man here
No one's saying "Geelong only makes the finals because they play at Kardinia Park"
The argument people make is Geelong does better during the Home and Away season than they would if they hosted every home game at MCG or Marvel
So now we get two threads because you were a naughty boy?
How is he a naughty boy?So now we get two threads because you were a naughty boy?
How is he a naughty boy?
I not seen what happened but I'm going to assume maybe he just had too many people stacking on some stupid argument and he seen as a naughty one because he outnumbered?
As a Geelong supporter, I sure hope no oppo teams ever think of mapping out the dimensions of K-park on their own training facilities. Could blow the whole ground advantage we have out of the water.
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The stats you've posted clearly show Geelong has been a very good team for a very long time, regardless of venueActually I think you’ll find quite a few people (not you) have said that.
So now the argument is that ‘having a home ground makes your record better.’ Can you tell me which sides don’t benefit mathematically from playing at home?
I’ve shown statistically that if we played exclusively AWAY or at neutral venues we would win enough games to make finals, and going home to play LESS games at our home venue, we somehow have a BETTER chance than say a team who has more games at their home ground?
If we were, say, Collingwood, and we won away from the MCG at a rate of 63 percent, would you not think that when you throw the MCG games into the equation, our percentage would then rise a bit further?
Yes I am sure the two training sessions max opposition clubs would be able to do that per 2 seasons - if their training grounds are even long enough - would stand up really well against a team that does over a hundred training sessions per year at the venue F2S.
The stats you've posted clearly show Geelong has been a very good team for a very long time, regardless of venue
It's difficult to quantify the KP advantage.
Geelong has been 20-8 with 125% at KP compared to 16-12 109% in return games at MCG/Marvel in double matchups within the same season since 2000. This is about as close as we can go to analysing the KP advantage (despite this method obviously having some flaws too), and 71% games won with 125% vs 57% games won at 109% shows a real advantage
I think Geelong also has a significant advantage in hosting interstate teams at KP- compared to Marvel/MCG tenants hosting interstate teams- but this is again difficult to quantify scientifically
My best guess is Geelong gets a 1 win advantage every year, plus a small amount of percentage by hosting at KP
If I'm correct, if we look at the ladders over the past 10 years, there have been many seasons where a drop of one win & % could've dropped Geelong 2 or more spots on the ladder. In some cases from top 4 to outside the top 4
However in the 2007-2011 era Geelong finished top 2 for 5 years in a row, and usually with a sizeable gap in wins and percentage to 3rd place, so I don't think KP would've made any difference to their ladder positions in those days (and there's minimal between finishing 1st and 2nd under the AFL system anyway)
Geelong has been 20-8 with 125% at KP compared to 16-12 109% in return games at MCG/Marvel in double matchups within the same season since 2000. This is about as close as we can go to analysing the KP advantage (despite this method obviously having some flaws too), and 71% games won with 125% vs 57% games won at 109% shows a real advantage