Is the MCG a big advantage on Grand Final Day for Victorians against Interstate Sides? /Are Interstaters advantaged during the home and away season?

[LoungeLizard]

They did host 6 teams at home

their home advantage doesn’t drop in half by flying for 40 minutes

the teams they face are also disadvantaged when they travel there

your grading of hga is ridiculous

in your view every non Victorian side is more advantaged than Victorian teams every year - even when the squiggle - who has a better idea than anyone, ranked Hawthorns fixture top in terms of hga in 2018. A year when Freo were handed an extra home game when the Commonwealth games were on

which makes sense. They only played 4 away games outside of Melbourne the whole year

think I’ll side with squiggle thanks

if hawthorn are so hampered by traveling to Tasmania, non Victorians have to be severely hampered every year when they travel twice as often as Melbourne clubs. Any game where you don’t have to travel is a +

Last year you traveled, 5th, this year you didn't travel, 5th.

Stats are starting to add up, they are starting to make you look like an idiot.

 

[doppleganger]

They did host 6 teams at home

Hawthorn’s home is the MCG

They ‘hosted’ six non-vic teams

2 at the G
1 at Etihad
3 at YorkPark

Does the actual ground, how many games you play there, what state you play in have any influence on the advantage?

Or is it simply...if you are listed as the nominal ‘home’ side you get a full advantage, the +10 in finalsiren terms.

their home advantage doesn’t drop in half by flying for 40 minutes

How much does it drop by?

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by plane travel, sleeping in a hotel, having normal routine interrupted?

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by ground familiarity?

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by the crowd support?

the teams they face are also disadvantaged when they travel there

Herp derp, I rated a game in tassie positive to Hawthorn and negative to their opponent.

It just isn’t the full disadvantage, which is when one team is at home at the ground they play at most, in front of their supporters, defending their own turf whilst the other is on the road, staying in a hotel etc

your grading of hga is ridiculous

What is yours? All I have seen is travel doesn’t matter if you sell it.

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by plane travel, sleeping in a hotel, having normal routine interrupted?

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by ground familiarity?

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by the crowd support?

in your view every non Victorian side is more advantaged than Victorian teams every year - even when the squiggle - who has a better idea than anyone, ranked Hawthorns fixture top in terms of hga in 2018. A year when Freo were handed an extra home game when the Commonwealth games were on

? I rated Hawthorn as having an easy fixture, it was +6.

The fact finalsiren didn’t have Freo as the easiest fixture from a home advantage perspective just highlights the flaws in his method...

if hawthorn are so hampered by traveling to Tasmania, non Victorians have to be severely hampered every year when they travel twice as often as Melbourne clubs. Any game where you don’t have to travel is a +

Hawthorn are not hampered, as they still enjoy an advantage in Tassie...as my ranking showed.

And no you still don’t get it, in each game if one team has a home ground advantage their opponent has to face the same disadvantage. You can’t have two teams with an advantage for the same game.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Well, well, this year the Vics are the interstaters and they sure showed all the other interstaters how to do it.

 

[doppleganger]

its simply idiotic

if west coast play collingwood in geraldton as part of a 3-4 game a year contract we still have a home ground advantage and the flight is nothing compared to what collingwood would endure.

we would fly up in the morning and be back home in time for dinner.

In this instance the AFL would look after Collingwood and work with sponsor airline to schedule a flight direct to Geraldton...as they do at the moment for traveling teams going to venues that don’t have regular direct flights.

So our ‘away’ game and travel doesn’t change, we were always coming west to play the Eagles...always sleeping in hotel, playing at a ground we are lucky to see once a year etc.

Not playing in Perth, that means your players miss out on some of their usual perks.

Eagles players don’t get to enjoy normal home routine, what if preference was to head up the day before then sleep in a hotel (the horror), also miss out on the significant familiarity and psychological advantage of defending home turf at Optus in front of 60k Eagles and the noise of affirmation

Is your position that none of that - crowd, ground familiarity, routine, psych of defending home turf - contributes to home advantage?

 

[kranky al]

In this instance the AFL would look after Collingwood and work with sponsor airline to schedule a flight direct to Geraldton...as they do at the moment for traveling teams going to venues that don’t have regular direct flights.

So our ‘away’ game and travel doesn’t change, we were always coming west to play the Eagles...always sleeping in hotel, playing at a ground we are lucky to see once a year etc.

Not playing in Perth, that means your players miss out on some of their usual perks.

Eagles players don’t get to enjoy normal home routine, what if preference was to head up the day before then sleep in a hotel (the horror), also miss out on the significant familiarity and psychological advantage of defending home turf at Optus in front of 60k Eagles and the noise of affirmation

Is your position that none of that - crowd, ground familiarity, routine, psych of defending home turf - contributes to home advantage?

what part of 1 hour flight in the morning, play game and 1 hour flight home escapes you?

no hotel, no routine disruption. fans still one sided. and after a few years of playing there 4 times a year you have ground familiarity.

as ive pointed out to you several times north have built a 75% win ratio at blunstone in tassie - despite being a bog ordinary team.

 

[natooo]

Does the last 2 years prove that there is no advantage to vic teams with the grand final at the mcg?

 

[TigerTime88]

Does the last 2 years prove that there is no advantage to vic teams with the grand final at the mcg?

Yeah it does but people will ignore it and still carry on.


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[Tony Harrison]

Does the last 2 years prove that there is no advantage to vic teams with the grand final at the mcg?

It's definitely not an advantage for preliminary finals

 

[Freomaniac]

Does the last 2 years prove that there is no advantage to vic teams with the grand final at the mcg?

it doesnt help when Port has choked in back to back prelim finals at home.

 

[Tony Harrison]

it doesnt help when Port has choked in back to back prelim finals at home.

And Brisbane choking at home finals at the gabba too.
West Coast been losing in home games to make finals, secure top 4 and in a home final against a lower ranked side that was also quarantined while they were training.
Looks like these home ground advantages only advantage vic teams.
Oh wait, remember when Freo went to Geelong?

 

[Freomaniac]

And Brisbane choking at home finals at the gabba too.
West Coast been losing in home games to make finals, secure top 4 and in a home final against a lower ranked side that was also quarantined while they were training.
Looks like these home ground advantages only advantage vic teams.
Oh wait, remember when Freo went to Geelong?

I could throw freo losing to hawks in perth in that 2015 prelim.....

But hawks had a much better forward line than freo on the day.

 

[Tony Harrison]

I could throw freo losing to hawks in perth in that 2015 prelim.....

But hawks had a much better forward line than freo on the day.

Freo spent their petrol tickets early that year unfortunately.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Victorians are just more masculine, that's why we tend to humiliate you interstaters in finals.

 

[Freomaniac]

Freo spent their petrol tickets early that year unfortunately.

Yes and no.

Yes as they played gome good footy in the 1st half of that season. No because of their limited side.

When your forward line has only Pavlich, Walters, Ballantyne and mayne....

Compare that to hawks forward line in 2015 that had Roughead, Gunston, Hale, Puopolo, cyril rioli and Bruest and Smith..... yeah depth counts.

 

[Freomaniac]

Victorians are just more masculine, that's why we tend to humiliate you interstaters in finals.

It doesnt help when non vic sides like crows and GWS giants go into a grand final vs Richmond and do that stupid Power stance lol

 

[amazingjoshy]

Victorians are just more masculine, that's why we tend to humiliate you interstaters in finals.

Yep you're so masculine that when a Vic team hasn't won a flag for a couple of years there's an enquiry into what's going wrong with the league

 

[blue harvest]

What about this year?
Geelong have it both ways, an advantage on GF day and also H&A advantage during the season similar to that of interstaters.

 

[iameviljez]

What about this year?
Geelong have it both ways, an advantage on GF day and also H&A advantage during the season similar to that of interstaters.

It’s not a Richmond level advantage but it’s still an advantage when playing an interstate side.

 

[CakeEater]

Yes it is a huge advantage for Vic clubs.

Really simply- Vic club players sleep in their own beds in their own environment which assists their performance.

Non vic clubs sleep in hotels.

For us we only got 2 games at the G one of which was a final.

AFL needs to ensure they are giving non vic clubs 5/22 games at the G if they were concerned about equity, which they are not

 

[kranky al]

What about this year?
Geelong have it both ways, an advantage on GF day and also H&A advantage during the season similar to that of interstaters.

Geelong do ok because they get quite a few games at the g - 4 this year… 6 in 2021 pretty much a home away from home for them.

I see a lot of geelong fans would like to play all their g and a as well as home finals at geelong which is fair enough imho…. But id be very very careful, it a trap for young players and giving up your mcg games to play on a cigar all year will bite you on the arse…. Youll end up being the geelongywobbles….

 

[kranky al]

Yes it is a huge advantage for Vic clubs.

Really simply- Vic club players sleep in their own beds in their own environment which assists their performance.

Non vic clubs sleep in hotels.

For us we only got 2 games at the G one of which was a final.

AFL needs to ensure they are giving non vic clubs 5/22 games at the G if they were concerned about equity, which they are not

We should play every single mcg team game at the mcg.


Hate playing melbourne in waikikamukau and hawthorn in tassie

 

[greatwhiteshark]

What about this year?
Geelong have it both ways, an advantage on GF day and also H&A advantage during the season similar to that of interstaters.

Nothing has changed, a Vic side playing a side from Outside of Victoria in the GF is an advantage to the Victorian team.

 

[Sky]

MCG advantages Collingwood and Richmond the most
Melbourne next
Hawks, Bombers, Blues
Then us
The rest

 

[catstorm]

Nothing has changed, a Vic side playing a side from Outside of Victoria in the GF is an advantage to the Victorian team.

But this isn't really the year to complain about it.

Even if it went to the highest positioned team the game would still be at the G because Geelong finished in 1st and won straight through Sydney finished 3rd. Geelong has earned that advantage, no?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

But this isn't really the year to complain about it.

Even if it went to the highest positioned team the game would still be at the G because Geelong finished in 1st and won straight through Sydney finished 3rd. Geelong has earned that advantage, no?

I am not complaining, I am just saying it exists.
You are correct that you have earnt it. Still an advantage though.