List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Everybody Panic]

Should be paying precisely zero if it's only pick 27 and even then we're basically giving away Grundy for free, especially in comparison to Luke Jackson getting Melbourne potentially 2 x first round picks.

Grundy is a bloody 2 x AA ruckman who was only BOG in the last game he played before getting injured, Jackson is an un and down ruck/forward in his early 20's who had a good game in a grand final a year ago and was consistently average at best this year.

Lol. Grundy has been average for 2 years, and played one good quarter against the bombers. He's also getting old and on a huge wage. Jackson is a pick 3 who's played pretty much every game he could including a strong showing in a premiership. Off the beers!

 

[loki04]

I don't want him, not the type of player we need.

Yeah I'm not his biggest fan either from an initial stand point but I'd need to watch him more and more closely. So I guess fence sitting this.

 

[adammania9]

Should be paying precisely zero if it's only pick 27 and even then we're basically giving away Grundy for free, especially in comparison to Luke Jackson getting Melbourne potentially 2 x first round picks.

Grundy is a bloody 2 x AA ruckman who was only BOG in the last game he played before getting injured, Jackson is an up and down ruck/forward in his early 20's who had a good game in a grand final a year ago and was consistently average at best this year.

Jackson is a comprehensively better player than Grundy was at the same age

 

[loki04]

dont think he would be worth what he will cost and I am unsure he fits the way we want to play

He does in terms of offensive running but he'd gave to buy into the defensive side.

Imo he has talent but lacks work rate to play both ways. Something that can be changed with coaching and fitness.

 

[3rdMan]

A lot of panic over what we're getting back for Grundy, but at the same time expecting to give up little for Mitchell.

Mitchell is only 1 year older, a Brownlow medalist and coming off a 21 game season.

I'm not really interested in Mitchell, but you'd think the price for he and Grundy would be fairly similar. I guess rarity of player type comes into it.

 

[unplugged]

If we get 27 for Grundy how do we shift that into Brisbane's 15?

 

[Jasper84]

Pick 27 will be 30 after father sons and academy picks. We always pay overs and get bent over in return.

Always. Well except for Wellingham, Dawes, Lumumba, Cloke, Beams, Fasolo, N Brown, Anthony, Freeman, Roughead, Dunn, Lipinski, Crisp, Howe, Varcoe, Adams, L. Brown, Medhurst, Ball, current GC pick swap...

 

[NT.Thunder]

LOL, Parish is exactly the player the Pies need. He averaged 6th in the competition overall for contested possies and Collingwoods best is Brodie Grundy

4

Brodie Grundy

Age

30

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

32.0

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

HO

34.6

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

5.2

2star

HB

8.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

20.6

5star

at 35 - who won't even be at Collingwood next season it seems

 

[adammania9]

Pick 27 will be 30 after father sons and academy picks.

So?

 

[Scodog10]

The whole group defensively was terrible. He did however, seem to always step up against the pies. If we can't back our team to find elite talent with top 7 picks then we are in trouble. I do get your point about wanting someone ready to go now though.

Agree on the rest, but I think the bolded is less straight forward. There might be a clear top 5, the picks might fall against us and I think the need to invest early draft is diminishing year on year. High end picks are just a shot at a good player so if the choice is there I think you just invest in the known quantity.

If there’s one thing the player movement is telling us in 2022 with Geelong likely to bring in 3 former first round picks in the first half of their career you can get that high end talent without necessarily going to the draft.

 

[Go Woods]

Hopefully where putting in the work now for Parish for next year.

Yes, this.

 

[unplugged]

16 and Henry for 7.

7 and … for Parish. Choose your poison on what the … is I guess.

Knowing Dodoro it'd also be our future first, which they'd have to include their future second on or we couldn't do it.

Yuck, though.

 

[jonbe54]

So?

Just another one obsessed with pick numbers - the only number that is important to the club is the proportion of salary they have to pay in relation to said pick number.

 

[TradeDraft]

Scodog10 JB007 said our Target next year is way better then Parish

 

[Go Woods]

Scodog10 JB007 said our Target next year is way better then Parish

Ooooo do tell......

 

[nahnah]

Ooooo do tell......

starts with a Ben and ends with a King

 

[partypie]

Jackson is a comprehensively better player than Grundy was at the same age

Was he really though?

Brodie Grundy and Luke Jackson AFL Stats Comparison

Brodie Grundy and Luke Jackson AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Yes they are only stats, but they do speak to output on ground to some degree and Grundy was basically in a time share with Witts in a team on the decline in comparison to a Melbourne at their peak, but he (Grundy) was still showing enough for us to go with him and trade away Witts in 2016.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

A lot of panic over what we're getting back for Grundy, but at the same time expecting to give up little for Mitchell.

Mitchell is only 1 year older, a Brownlow medalist and coming off a 21 game season.

I'm not really interested in Mitchell, but you'd think the price for he and Grundy would be fairly similar. I guess rarity of player type comes into it.

Except the length of contract….

 

[Big Bryza]

We've been linked to Paddy Dow, too.

Although, I think he's some way down the list given Fiorini is virtually the same product and Gold Coast will be paying for him.

Just another Cal Brown.

Gun VFL player but not elite traits at AFL level. Pass.

 

[loki04]

LOL, Parish is exactly the player the Pies need. He averaged 6th in the competition overall for contested possies and Collingwoods best is Brodie Grundy at 35 - who won't even be at Collingwood next season it seems

Can you post the definition of a contested possession from CD, just curious if it’s like Coxs contested mark stat.

 

[3rdMan]

He does in terms of offensive running but he'd gave to buy into the defensive side.

Imo he has talent but lacks work rate to play both ways. Something that can be changed with coaching and fitness.

If he's replacing Henry then we're probably upgrading on defensive running.

Agree though, there are some application concerns. Our game plan does need offensive minded mids though. Would depend who we play on whether we need to add to the mix. Daicos x2, De Goey, already fairly strong.

I see Thomas as more potentially line breaking and only comparable with De Goey (maybe Naicos gets there too). As a mid/forward we could rotate him with Jordy.

Think its unlikely anyway. We've got enough targets, hard to add another on the fly.

 

[adammania9]

Was he really though?

Brodie Grundy and Luke Jackson AFL Stats Comparison

Brodie Grundy and Luke Jackson AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Yes they are only stats, but they do speak to output on ground to some degree and Grundy was basically in a time share with Witts in a team on the decline in comparison to a Melbourne at their peak, but he (Grundy) was still showing enough for us to go with him and trade away Witts in 2016.

Grundy was the worst kick on the team. Jackson is a class user and finisher, with so much growth to come.

 

[Scodog10]

Scodog10 JB007 said our Target next year is way better then Parish

Tom Green? Naughton? On a more serious note the was for JB he’s like a weed they can’t get rid of him and this is why people need to have more faith in the club moving Grundy…

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Me Too but just saying for Cheap could do worse

You get what you pay for. Buy cheap, get cheap.

 

[3rdMan]

Except the length of contract….

So that means we should be paying more for Mitchell than Melbourne pay for Grundy?