Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[sr36]

Where would you have him in the team? Are you squeezing him in on a wing or the interchange? Perhaps as the sub?

He's certainly not making it for the starting centre spot or the rovers.

I think he scrapes into a bench spot on longevity.

Dusty, Ablett

Bucks Voss Judd

Pendles, Bont

That's how I'd rate them. Bont and Pendles pure silk, but without the athletic advanyages of those above them. Pendles over Bont due to longevity.

 

[Purple Suit]

If footy's history had a Bradman we'd be discussing Nick's potential to be the second greatest of all time.

This is where the conversation is at:

1. Chris Judd had just as good a start to his career. Now Juddy is undoubtedly one of the greats of the sport who peaked early and was slowed down a bit by OP which also affected his kicking. Early on he was tracking to be the GOAT but had to settle for one of the greatest of all time.

2. Bont is a more complete player. Yes the 30 year old widely acclaimed as the greatest bulldog of all time is a more complete player than the third year Nick, probably not more damaging though.

He's tracking at a level where serious injuries aside he seems certain to become one of the greats of the game, yet some posters are carrying on as though a call that he might have the potential to the greatest ever is more outrageous and optimistic than saying that some 18 year old whose never played a game is going to be a star, which is said about most top 10 draftees and a heap taken later.

Not if he couldn’t handle a bouncer. A glaring weakness would be exposed in cricket in one of the disciplines. In footy you can get away with it as you don’t have to be good at everything but I recon it precludes you for ever being the goat.

 

[sr36]

Not if he couldn’t handle a bouncer. A glaring weakness would be exposed in cricket in one of the disciplines. In footy you can get away with it as you don’t have to be good at everything but I recon it precludes you for ever being the goat.

Depends on your role. I'd have Warney in the conversation of our greatest since Bradman - how he played bouncers was irrelevant to that - he got out a fair bit to them actually - both fending at ones that got too big for him and trying to hook them unsuccessfully.

 

[Fadge]

Not if he couldn’t handle a bouncer. A glaring weakness would be exposed in cricket in one of the disciplines. In footy you can get away with it as you don’t have to be good at everything but I recon it precludes you for ever being the goat.

Isn't bowling an important skill in cricket?

Two test wickets for the Don - clearly that wasn't a skill of his?

Would the greatest of all time be the best combination of batting, bowling and fielding (for that matter)?

How can the greatest cricketer of all time have only two test wickets to his name?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Isn't bowling an important skill in cricket?

Two test wickets for the Don - clearly that wasn't a skill of his?

Would the greatest of all time be the best combination of batting, bowling and fielding (for that matter)?

How can the greatest cricketer of all time have only two test wickets to his name?

And only 6 sixes... isn't hitting sixes an important skill in cricket [emoji848]?

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[bradfisher14]

I think he scrapes into a bench spot on longevity.

Dusty, Ablett

Bucks Voss Judd

Pendles, Bont

That's how I'd rate them. Bont and Pendles pure silk, but without the athletic advanyages of those above them. Pendles over Bont due to longevity.

I can see why you'd argue it, but I don't value longevity as much as some. He's most certainly in the conversation though.

I'd have a few ahead of him but he's in a group for that last bench spot. Hird, Selwood, Dangerfield, Fyfe, Bontempelli, Neale, Cripps, Cotchin to name a few from strongest to weakest case. He probably fits somewhere between Selwood and Danger for me.

 

[sr36]

I can see why you'd argue it, but I don't value longevity as much as some. He's most certainly in the conversation though.

I'd have a few ahead of him but he's in a group for that last bench spot. Hird, Selwood, Dangerfield, Fyfe, Neale, Cripps, Cotchin to name a few from strongest to weakest case. He probably fits somewhere between Selwood and Danger.

Hird is one of the first 5 picked in the team, in my opinion. I didn't mention him as he wouldn't be in the midfield.

Yeah all those blokes are worthy of consideration (except Cotchin) - I'd add Black, S Mitchell, as well.

 

[RCAB]

And in the end, the little master isn't in the GOAT convo. But here we are, 392 pages deep and you Colllingwood nuffies are still thinking little Nicky is a chance.

Well it is as you've just added another post to it. Irony.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

And in the end, the little master isn't in the GOAT convo. But here we are, 392 pages deep and you Colllingwood nuffies are still thinking little Nicky is a chance.

I'm not counting him out as the GOAT, but I'm mostly here for oppo melts.

 

[RCAB]

I think he scrapes into a bench spot on longevity.

Dusty, Ablett

Bucks Voss Judd

Pendles, Bont

That's how I'd rate them. Bont and Pendles pure silk, but without the athletic advanyages of those above them. Pendles over Bont due to longevity.

I'm sorry but Judd is not in the GOAT convo whatsoever.

Averaged 0.2 contested marks per game. Had dodgy shoulders as someone already mentioned, so that immediately disqualifues him. There were clearly better players... And mids, during his time.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Dusty doesn't tackle = not the GOAT
Buddy doesn't contested mark = not the GOAT

Am I doing it right?

 

[sr36]

Dusty doesn't tackle = not the GOAT
Buddy doesn't contested mark = not the GOAT

Am I doing it right?

Matthews was playing against plumbers and accountants.

They're all way overrated. Much better players in videogames.

 

[bradfisher14]

Hird is one of the first 5 picked in the team, in my opinion. I didn't mention him as he wouldn't be in the midfield.

Yeah all those blokes are worthy of consideration (except Cotchin) - I'd add Black, S Mitchell, as well.

Glad to hear that about Hirdy - he gets criminally underrated because of what happened post-playing career.

Simon Black is a great shout.

Harsh on Cotchin. I know he's not everyone's cup of tea, but he deserves to be in the discussion even if it's just a mention. Having said that, I had him at the end of my list for a reason.

 

[Do the Dew]

Hird is one of the first 5 picked in the team, in my opinion. I didn't mention him as he wouldn't be in the midfield.

Yeah all those blokes are worthy of consideration (except Cotchin) - I'd add Black, S Mitchell, as well.

That's triple premiership captain and Brownlow medalist to you. Changed his game from seagulling off half-back like Daicos to being a team-first player.

 

[Do the Dew]

Dusty doesn't tackle = not the GOAT
Buddy doesn't contested mark = not the GOAT

Am I doing it right?

Daicos averages 3.2 tackles per game, Dusty averaged 2.8, with that number mainly dropping as he didn't tackle much in his last few years. What else you got?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

An outside mid can't be the goat.

 

[Mr Meow]

Daicos averages 3.2 tackles per game, Dusty averaged 2.8, with that number mainly dropping as he didn't tackle much in his last few years. What else you got?

Danger 3.8
Ablett 4.3

Definitely both did more of the hard defensive stuff than Martin. Both retired or will retire older too, so the age excuse doesn't fit.

Higher in contested to uncontested possession ratios too.

 

[PieBeast]

Could be just me but almost 400 pages and counting on someone who apparently can't be the GOAT reeks of posters trying really hard to comfort themselves this won't be the case.

You poor poor buggers.

 

[sr36]

An outside mid can't be the goat.

It's not 2022 anymore.

 

[sr36]

Daicos averages 3.2 tackles per game, Dusty averaged 2.8, with that number mainly dropping as he didn't tackle much in his last few years. What else you got?

But Nick's is rising as he's gone from back flank to inside mid and is becoming strong enough to stick his tackles. It's one of the many things that he's improving at.

The question isn't whether he's currently the GOAT - of course he isn't. However, many consider him the best player in the league already - and this isn't a man child. The question is how dominant will he be in 5 years time when he's at his peak, assuming his body holds up. Who knows, but ruling out him developing into the most dominant player we've seen seems a bit silly to me when we're talking about someone with a lot of development to come who is already arguably the best in the league. The ceiling is ****ing high.

 

[Orange crush]

Isn't bowling an important skill in cricket?

Two test wickets for the Don - clearly that wasn't a skill of his?

Would the greatest of all time be the best combination of batting, bowling and fielding (for that matter)?

How can the greatest cricketer of all time have only two test wickets to his name?

Bradman would hardly average 40 these days


But he has been dead for 25 years

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

But Nick's is rising as he's gone from back flank to inside mid and is becoming strong enough to stick his tackles. It's one of the many things that he's improving at.

The question isn't whether he's currently the GOAT - of course he isn't. However, many consider him the best player in the league already - and this isn't a man child. The question is how dominant will he be in 5 years time when he's at his peak, assuming his body holds up. Who knows, but ruling out him developing into the most dominant player we've seen seems a bit silly to me when we're talking about someone with a lot of development to come who is already arguably the best in the league. The ceiling is ****ing high.

Still can't handle a tag 4 years in and still shirks contests.

Never gonna be the goat until he fixes both.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Still can't handle a tag 4 years in and still shirks contests.

Never gonna be the goat until he fixes both.

It had always been one of the bigger questions marks over him since day one, the bloke walked in the doors a gun but it was hard to see where we would see improvements in his game to elevate himself to that next level

The guys who he left in his dust during his first few seasons have now at those years to fill out size wise and have that experience that have allowed them to catch him in terms of output

Perfect example was Callaghan on the weekend who looks like he could eclipse Daicos if he continues on his upward trajectory, especially given his size that could see him as one of those big bodied unicorn mids that are what every club wants

 

[Fadge]

It had always been one of the bigger questions marks over him since day one, the bloke walked in the doors a gun but it was hard to see where we would see improvements in his game to elevate himself to that next level

The guys who he left in his dust during his first few seasons have now at those years to fill out size wise and have that experience that have allowed them to catch him in terms of output

Perfect example was Callaghan on the weekend who looks like he could eclipse Daicos if he continues on his upward trajectory, especially given his size that could see him as one of those big bodied unicorn mids that are what every club wants

Except.....

Daicos did elevate his game to the point where many were referring to him as 'the best player in the game' from as early as the midpoint of his second season.

And as sr36 mentioned earlier, of course there is upside for a player entering his 4th season - in the same way that he has improved many elements of his game over the first three years of his career.

 

[Rich01]

It had always been one of the bigger questions marks over him since day one, the bloke walked in the doors a gun but it was hard to see where we would see improvements in his game to elevate himself to that next level

The guys who he left in his dust during his first few seasons have now at those years to fill out size wise and have that experience that have allowed them to catch him in terms of output

Perfect example was Callaghan on the weekend who looks like he could eclipse Daicos if he continues on his upward trajectory, especially given his size that could see him as one of those big bodied unicorn mids that are what every club wants

Yep, some of his draft class are just coming on now. Nick has been excellent from the get go. And his output is elite, but I’m not sure he has as much growth left in him as others around him. That’s no slight on him whatsoever.

Callaghan, Darcy, JHF, NWM, Amiss, Mac Andrew are just a few picked around him that project to improve off impressive bases.