News Port Adelaide announces co-captains - Ollie Wines and Tom Jonas

[Del80659]

Who gives a shit I've been embarrassed by their output for 4 years and running.

they play how they are coached

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[raptalia]

What if a player enjoys feeding crocodiles like Steve-o? Is it ok to let them do it if it helps them wind down?

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Ouch! There are limits of course.

 

[chiwigi]

If it was going to be Wines they wouldn't have waited so long to announce it.

 

[Visenfest]

If it was going to be Wines they wouldn't have waited so long to announce it.

Karl Amon announcement incoming.

 

[PAFC66]

The 150 year old boot studder Alfie. Probably the only one that sets standards and lives by them in the entire club.

 

[Doctor Feel]

If it was going to be Wines they wouldn't have waited so long to announce it.

Agree.

If it was straight forward they probably would have done it already.

 

[Rigs]

Agree.

If it was straight forward they probably would have done it already.

What has changed? How has it gone from Ollie being a certain captain in waiting after Boak, to not (right now). Do we think that whoever is voted in as captain (Jonas) will only have it for a short period of time? Is that a given?

 

[Forzaport]

I thought we normally announce a new captain at around Family day?

 

[Doctor Feel]

What has changed? How has it gone from Ollie being a certain captain in waiting after Boak, to not (right now). Do we think that whoever is voted in as captain (Jonas) will only have it for a short period of time? Is that a given?

Jonas will have it for a short period of time simply because of his age rather than anything else. Should he win it.

Though age wise, Wines is ready - I think the club have their reservations about whether he's mature enough at this time. You could make an argument that the captaincy could mature him quickly but he would need a strong vice captain.

Ollie was only really anointed as the captain externally, but expectations grew in the past year internally as well. He didn't have the year he would have liked. It would have been a straight handover at the end of 2018 had he carried his form through the year.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I thought we normally announce a new captain at around Family day?

Fair point. I remember Cassisi being rolled out around family day. Don't recall the Boak announcement. Small sample size.

 

[chiwigi]

I thought we normally announce a new captain at around Family day?

The announcement yes, but Boak for example was a well known certainty.

 

[Forzaport]

The announcement yes, but Boak for example was a well known certainty.

Cassisi was announced in early Feb and he wasn't a well known certainty.

 

[Andre]

If it was going to be Wines they wouldn't have waited so long to announce it.

My take is, in now regular lol Ports fashion, rather than back Wines in and let him get some experience as the leader over the pre-season, Port put it out to all, in the hope this would make Wines step up. So take him from having confidence in being the next Captain to now thinking the club doesn't trust him, so he's unsurprisingly not showing the confidence in himself and his leadership wanted. Ah Ports, you've done it again.

 

[Power Raid]

#22captains

 

[Janus]

My take on it is neither Wines nor Jonas have shown the prerequisite leadership skills at training for the club to say they should be captain.

I still think they are waiting for Hammer to join in main training and you’ll see what a real leader looks like. Remember, most of these guys look to Boak as their skipper still, so they are emulating that sort of leadership style. But if we wanted that Travis would still be captain.

Wines needs to see how Hamish does it before he takes over. He’s a bit of a pretty boy but he’s also grown into a good leader IMO.

 

[raptalia]

My take is, in now regular lol Ports fashion, rather than back Wines in and let him get some experience as the leader over the pre-season, Port put it out to all, in the hope this would make Wines step up. So take him from having confidence in being the next Captain to now thinking the club doesn't trust him, so he's unsurprisingly not showing the confidence in himself and his leadership wanted. Ah Ports, you've done it again.

You assume that Ollie was always the one and only choice. There is another strong candidate and the Club will wait to make the official announcement around the Family Day as they have done in the past. I do not see anything wrong in that. The situation is the same for all likely candidates so if the situation is the same for all why should any of them think they are not trusted?

I much prefer the current situation to the September 2009 scenario when the Coach tapped someone on the shoulder and said, 'you're it' only to have the Board appoint someone else come Family Fun Day 2010.

 

[chiwigi]

My take is, in now regular lol Ports fashion, rather than back Wines in and let him get some experience as the leader over the pre-season, Port put it out to all, in the hope this would make Wines step up. So take him from having confidence in being the next Captain to now thinking the club doesn't trust him, so he's unsurprisingly not showing the confidence in himself and his leadership wanted. Ah Ports, you've done it again.

I hate that this is my take as well.

 

[Janus]

Davies says the announcement of the captain will be made around the time of JLT.

If Wines can't display the leadership qualities we are looking for on the field and tries to emulate Boak - who was stood down because he was a 'lead by example' rather than a vocal leader on the field - then no amount of confidence or experience is going to make him better. I said from the start that Wines and Boak are the same style of leadership. He needs to learn that he is ultimately responsible for the performance of the team following instructions.

Wines will be captain soon enough. He's just got to experience a different style of leadership instead of Boak's approach for awhile.

 

[Iwish]

My take on it is neither Wines nor Jonas have shown the prerequisite leadership skills at training for the club to say they should be captain.

I still think they are waiting for Hammer to join in main training and you’ll see what a real leader looks like. Remember, most of these guys look to Boak as their skipper still, so they are emulating that sort of leadership style. But if we wanted that Travis would still be captain.

Wines needs to see how Hamish does it before he takes over. He’s a bit of a pretty boy but he’s also grown into a good leader IMO.

not long after hammer started in 2009 playing for westies and watching him training at port i said to someone this kid we picked up at pick 4 is going to be a gun and potential future captain one day. But i expected by now he would have won a couple of b and fs and AA. I dont know if he has earnt it but i can see the leadership skills and maybe he is a late bloomer and will finish his career with a bang

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

I'd be happy with Hammer as Captain.

 

[blaargh]

A year without a captain? Ollie and Jonas not applicable due to obscene disconnect with supporter expectations.

Or, who it the player with the biggest influence? Give it to Robbie for one year? Westhoff for one year? Happy for Hammer to have it - depending on rehab?

IMO statements by leaders about players having rights to injure themselves away from the club should rule themselves out of leadership.

 

[chachi11]

Yeh I'm on the Hartlett or Gray train.....Ollie and Tommy can go water skiing together.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Gray and I like this guy.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Robbie Gray should be captain if Ken believes his own mantra when he got to the club in October 2012 that leaders, have to lead on game day.

But who knows how much of what Ken says, Ken really believes.

But there is so much off field BS that Robbie isn't interested in that, so that makes him unlikely to want it.

Maybe we need 3 co-captains, Gray to be captain game day and 2 others to do all the off field BS.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Lol we're all over the shop. One minute it's Ollie then it's Jonas then it's Ollie then it's Jonas and now it's Hammer and Gray.

Gray will never be captain, not even if he was in his prime years.

It's going to be Ollie or Jonas or possibly both. There will be no other realistic options.

I also think this saga has been blown so insanely out of proportion. It's only an issue because he got injured. No one would even be concerned about it otherwise. In fact no one has even batted an eyelid to any of his river holiday antics at any stage till now.

Callum Mills destroyed his arm jumping over a chain ffs. Accidents happen. Our responses have been more severe because of how starved for success we are. We want everything to be perfect, quite rightly. We are sick of the shit administration of the club and so it goes on.

Things like this bring out that bubbling anger about our performances right to the surface and we see some ugly performances that some people may look back on and realise they over reacted.

I want a premiership, badly. However not at the expense of guys in their 20s having to give up their favourite healthy recreational past times. Everyone here agrees that mental health is a problem in our game but at the same time turn around and say they should give everything up to focus on footy. There is a balance. So long as they aren't coming back from the off-season fat or addicted to drugs we're good.

Brodie Grundy climbed parts of Everest in his off-season and received shitloads of praise, obviously that is pretty ****ing dangerous.

Hell, some of things clubs do on pre-season camps carry more inherent risk than water skiing too. A more measured response here is warranted but I absolutely understand the frustrations.