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They both joined us in the same year too, didn't they?
I'd say they both have a year to go.
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List Mgmt. 2016 Delisted Free Agents
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I'd say they both have a year to go.
Something that bothers me is are we just going to continue to be a care home for Sam Shaw next year?
I know that the club are probably thinking that by supporting him they maybe avoid some disharmony from the important players he's close friends with or they just want to avoid a payout and are quite happy promoting a rookie in his spot, whatever the reason the bloke's just taking up a space on the list
I know that the club are probably thinking that by supporting him they maybe avoid some disharmony from the important players he's close friends with or they just want to avoid a payout and are quite happy promoting a rookie in his spot, whatever the reason the bloke's just taking up a space on the list
Hugh Greenwood signed a 2 year contract with us from the beginning and I believe Keath was signed to a 2 year deal as well.
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We just dumped Henderson, who was best for us in our last minor round game ......and whose wedding just 2 weeks ago all the players attended
And you think, on the back of this, somehow are showing another player a soft approach by suggesting we're a care home
I'm quite surprised he didn't retire actually, he must really want to play again as he could of got next years salary plus AFL injury compensation without the worry of more concussions
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We just dumped Henderson, who was best for us in our last minor round game ......and whose wedding just 2 weeks ago all the players attended
And you think, on the back of this, somehow are showing another player a soft approach by suggesting we're a care home
Henderson wasn't in a health battle, I liked Shaw as a player but enough is surely enough his continued battles to just get through a couple of SANFL games is just becoming sad
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The club would have made the call to retain Shaw based on medical opinion .....not on supporters views from no position of knowledge on the situation
I doubt that there's any "disharmony" issues. It's more likely to be a combination of salary cap issues (i.e. not wanting to include his 2017 salary in the 2016 cap) and the flexibility it gives us with promoting a rookie if/when required.
Not the club's call to make. Shaw has a contract for 2017, so it was always going to be his call (based on medical opinion) whether or not to retire.
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Yes of course it's all the players call ......as i said b4, it was also Bartels call to retire after triggering an extra year
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Giving Shaw a two year deal last year was bordering on imbecilic given his injury history.
Look his health is exactly that HIS, I just stated that in a cut-throat industry no matter if you like him as a player you can't continue carrying someone who due to unfortunate circumstances is unable to provide any service and it is of a high chance considering his past of happening again, his manager deserves the plaudits for getting the club to give him a 2 year deal (which I didn't have a problem with 12 months ago, but 12 months is a long time in football). Like Vader said they couldn't afford to pay him out this year, it's looking to be yet another pretty poor list management decision
Surely the salary cap issue couldn't be much of an issue if we were willing to make a play at Gibbs.
Also nothing stopping us from delisting him and leaving a senior spot free so we could upgrade a rookie whenever we choose to, would just have us going into the season with one less player on our list than we could normally have.
Otten no different really.
Two guys that are depth players in the same position pretty much and both injury prone.
Don't understand why we thought it was a good idea to re-sign them both, let alone to two years each.
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Huh? .....you do realise that since his hamstring surgery, he's had ZERO repercussions ......it's only the concussions that are in play now, and if the club medico's have cleared him, there's absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be on the list or playing
The club has shown it's not a benevolent club .......the sooner you accept their decision as Shaw having continued value to the clubs 2017 campaign the better
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Early this year Sam Shaw was close to senior selection. His hamstrings were fine, his kicking had improved and he was showing a good combination of offensive and defensive skills. The concussions screwed his season but he is not 32 years old, he is 25.
I doubt whether many teams would pick up Sam if he was a delisted free agent but he is a free hit for us. We are committed to his salary this year and the profile of our primary list is going to be very young. The alternative is to spend extra money picking up a DFA or use a very late pick in the draft.
I think he is a long shot to play a 100+ game career but "I'm telling you, he's a chance".
I doubt whether many teams would pick up Sam if he was a delisted free agent but he is a free hit for us. We are committed to his salary this year and the profile of our primary list is going to be very young. The alternative is to spend extra money picking up a DFA or use a very late pick in the draft.
I think he is a long shot to play a 100+ game career but "I'm telling you, he's a chance".
The list managers & coaches must see something in him, because they keep giving him new contracts. He's had 7 years on the list, and played just 24 AFL games in that period. They could have given him a "dead man walking" contract, like Grigg, last year - but they chose to give him 2 years. That's a long time for such a slim return.
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I'm a Shaw fan but this is 100% correct…same with Otten.
There was no chance anyone was going to poach them, just ridiculous.
Crows website says "Adelaide has five available picks in the national draft – 13, 43, 53, 67 and 89".
The list changes below mean we have five spare spots on the list - with O'Brien's upgrade to take up one of the draft picks mentioned in the line above (Ramsay's departure only opens up a list on our rookie list, not the senior list).
Where are you getting six spots from? The club confirming that O'Brien will be upgraded doesn't mean it happens automatically; he still needs to be drafted in the National Draft in order to become a permanent member of the senior list.
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Departures
Nathan van Berlo (retired, played 205 AFL games for Crows)
Matthew Jaensch (retired, played 74 AFL games for Crows)
Jarryd Lyons (traded to Gold Coast Suns, played 55 AFL games for Crows)
Ricky Henderson (delisted, played 90 AFL games for Crows)
Mitch Grigg (delisted, played 20 AFL games for Crows)
Luke Lowden (delisted, played 0 AFL games for Crows, 1 for Hawthorn)
Keenan Ramsey (delisted rookie, 0 AFL games for Crows)
Upgraded rookie
Reilly O’Brien
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Rookie upgrades no longer require the use of a national draft pick. O'Brien has been upgraded. He is already on our senior list. We have five free spots.
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Current Senior List
1 Sloane, Rory
2 Laird, Rory
3 Betts, Eddie
4 Jenkins, Josh
5 Thompson, Scott
6 Crouch, Matt
7 Lynch, Tom T.
8 Jacobs, Sam
9 Walker, Taylor
10 Talia, Daniel
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12 Smith, Brodie
13 Atkins, Rory
14 Crouch, Brad
15 Cameron, Charlie
16 MacKay, David
17 Seedsman, Paul
18 Lever, Jake
19 Brown, Luke
20 McGovern, Mitch
21 Cheney, Kyle
22 Hartigan, Kyle
23 Otten, Andy
24 Ellis-Yolmen, Cameron
25 Hampton, Curtly
26 Shaw, Sam
27 Menzel, Troy
28 Knight, Riley
29 O'Brien, Reilly
30 Milera, Wayne
31 Kelly, Jake
32 Gore, Dean
33 Dear, Harry
34 Wigg, Harrison
35 Doedee, Tom
36 Pick 13
37 Pick 43
38 Pick 53
39 Pick 67
40 Pick 89 (or Delisted Free Agent)
Current Rookie List
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2 Hunter, Paul
3 Rookie Pick 13
4 Rookie Pick 31
5 Greenwood, Hugh (Category B)
6 Keath, Alex (Category B)
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