List Mgmt. 2018 Draft Prospects aka the West and Khamis thread

[goodcop badcop]

What do people know about Jye Caldwell and Xavier Duursma? What is their draft range and play style? I've heard mostly good things about both.

I've been super impressed with Caldwell from the little I've seen of him and I have him in contention for pick 7. His burst speed, power and ball winning around the stoppages make him an appealing prospect as is his ability to impact forward. Those hamstring injuries are a worry though.

This is a good write up on him (from afldraftcentral.com.au).

DRAFT ANALYSIS: “A special talent who can play on the inside, burn his opponents on the outside or go forward and wreak havoc up there."

OVERVIEW

The forgotten man of the 2018 draft crop is a special talent who has very few deficiencies in his game. Jye Caldwell is a player who can go inside, spread to the outside or play up forward and still have an impact. Athletically, Caldwell is very similar to recently retired Bulldog Clay Smith at the same age, and has that fierce attack on the ball and ability to hit the scoreboard similar to Smith. Caldwell unfortunately has not had luck on his side this year, with injuries restricting him to just three TAC Cup games and one National Under 18s Championships game, as well as missing games through playing for his school, Geelong Grammar. Recruiters are aware he is a super athlete so how much he tests at the upcoming National Draft Combine is unlikely to affect his draft prospects, with the pocket rocket likely to land somewhere inside the top 30.

STRENGTHS

• Acceleration
• Agility
• Goal sense
• Game smarts
• Tackling
• Leadership

Caldwell has a lightning burst over 20m, recording one of the highest 20m sprints (2.983 seconds) of the TAC Cup, while also impressing with his agility score of 8.175 seconds. His ability to weave his way through traffic or burst out of a stoppage is imminent, and it is something the Pioneers, and Vic Country would have loved to have had available all year. To complete his top performance in the pre-season testing, Caldwell also tested in the top group for the Yo-yo test, recording 21.2. It is hard to read too much into his 2018 year, with injury wiping out most of it, but he had an impressive 24 disposals, seven tackles and a goal earlier in the season.

Caldwell has the goal sense to play down forward and create something out of nothing. He can use his class to pick up a loose ball and cleverly snap around his body, or he can work his opponent under the ball and use his smarts to win the football and hurt opponents that way. His defensive attitude is as impressive as his offensive capabilities, laying fierce tackles and putting defensive pressure on the ball carrier. Finally, his ability to win the ball on the inside or outside is a huge positive for any AFL club looking at him, while his leadership traits saw him earn co-captain of Vic Country with Sam Walsh.

IMPROVEMENTS

• Durability
• Kicking consistency

Given Caldwell has had limited matches in his top-age year, and the clear improvement is just getting on the park and getting minutes into his legs. He has a really strong base from which to work with heading into an AFL club, and has just been unlucky with injuries. Given the amount of time he has lost, the AFL club that picks him will likely monitor him over the pre-season and make sure to the best of their ability that the hamstring injuries he has sustained do not reoccur. The second improvement worth noting is his kicking consistency. He can look unbelievable on some days, and less effective on others, sometimes missing targets through overhitting his kicks, but when on his game, his skills are impressive.

DRAFT PROJECTION: First-second round

SUMMARY

Caldwell is a well-balanced prospect who has a good combination of skills, smarts and athleticism that make him an exciting player. The fact he received a National AFL Draft Combine invitation despite playing very few games is testament to his ability and how highly clubs rate him. Chances are his injuries might have knocked him back a peg in the pecking order, but expect him to still be in the early stages of the draft, with a second round, or if a club pounces in the late first round, as his draft projection. He is one of those players that could end up top 10 on pure talent, and has very few deficiencies in his game, so there should be no shortage of clubs who would consider Caldwell in the early part of the draft.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I've been super impressed with Caldwell from the little I've seen of him and I have him in contention for pick 7. His burst speed, power and ball winning around the stoppages make him an appealing prospect as is his ability to impact forward. Those hamstring injuries are a worry though.

This is a good write up on him (from afldraftcentral.com.au).

Yeah he's the one I've got no idea on. Some love him, and he could be a bargain because of the injuries. Sounds fragile though.

 

[dogwatch]

I've been super impressed with Caldwell from the little I've seen of him and I have him in contention for pick 7. His burst speed, power and ball winning around the stoppages make him an appealing prospect as is his ability to impact forward. Those hamstring injuries are a worry though.

This is a good write up on him (from afldraftcentral.com.au).

For those who say we are bland and need some x-factor it looks like he could be a good acquisition. Some rare skills and burst speed might improve the faltering i50 entries we've had in the last year or so.

Might be worth a risk but it doesn't look like we'll have a suitable pick available. That could change if Wallis doesn't re-sign though.

We'd also have to back ourselves in to manage the hamstring susceptibility.

 

[Yojimbo]

Yeah he's the one I've got no idea on. Some love him, and he could be a bargain because of the injuries. Sounds fragile though.

Duursma is quite similar in a lot of ways just lighter, there is gold picks 10 to 25 gold I tells ya.

 

[JAMES_B_101]

Duursma is quite similar in a lot of ways just lighter, there is gold picks 10 to 25 gold I tells ya.

If we do lose a few mids this year it would be nice to take a pick in this range and still take West. West already an upgrade on Dahlhaus IMO. Any trades would change everything of course. Caldwell sounds good but he's already making me draw comparisons to Nathan Freeman.

 

[Yojimbo]

If we do lose a few mids this year it would be nice to take a pick in this range and still take West. West already an upgrade on Dahlhaus IMO. Any trades would change everything of course. Caldwell sounds good but he's already making me draw comparisons to Nathan Freeman.

Nathan Freeman or our own Josh Prudden of the perpetually injured squad it is a shame really as his best is very appealing. He is a bit more
dour and inside, but I think Luke Valente will be the first too 200 games injury permitting and he did win the SA MVP at the champs in the
same team as the highly rated more flashy types.

 

[JAMES_B_101]

Nathan Freeman or our own Josh Prudden of the perpetually injured squad it is a shame really as his best is very appealing. He is a bit more
dour and inside, but I think Luke Valente will be the first too 200 games injury permitting and he did win the SA MVP at the champs in the
same team as the highly rated more flashy types.

Persistent hamstring injuries at a young age is almost as bad as doing an ACL imo. The two injuries that ruin careers. Valente is a good ball user too if I remember correctly. Seems like a fairly low risk pick, the type that will go around the pick 15 mark.

 

[Wizard17]

Looks like if this Wingard thing has legs we have to look for some diamond in the rough late picks/rookies.

 

[LittleG]

Looks like if this Wingard thing has legs we have to look for some diamond in the rough late picks/rookies.

Dahl comp might be useful for moving up the order to get in before the West bid. Say pick 28 plus a future second for 18 or something similar.

 

[Mojorisin]

Dahl comp might be useful for moving up the order to get in before the West bid. Say pick 28 plus a future second for 18 or something similar.

Could you be confident pick 18 would be before a west bid though?

 

[LittleG]

Could you be confident pick 18 would be before a west bid though?

You do the trade live on the night. No point doing it beforehand and risk losing the upgraded pick.

 

[VitalDread]

Hearing whispers that Rhylee and Buku will tell other clubs to not nominate them

 

[Woof]

Hearing whispers that Rhylee and Buku will tell other clubs to not nominate them

Why would they risk draft tampering charges when they’re guaranteed to get to us anyway, and why would the other clubs care what they say?

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Hearing whispers that Rhylee and Buku will tell other clubs to not nominate them

That sounds a bit ****ed tbh. Also it's not going to stop them.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

That sounds a bit ****** tbh. Also it's not going to stop them.

thought the same

 

[Mojorisin]

That sounds a bit ****** tbh. Also it's not going to stop them.

Sounds about right. Players have complete control these days, even before they get drafted

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Why would they risk draft tampering charges when they’re guaranteed to get to us anyway, and why would the other clubs care what they say?

Telling them they want to play for the dogs isn't draft tampering. And why would you draft someone that doesn't want to play for you. The real risk for them would be if we don't draft them, then they'd be screwed if they took that approach.

 

[VitalDread]

Why would they risk draft tampering charges when they’re guaranteed to get to us anyway, and why would the other clubs care what they say?

Every season tons of kids tell clubs to not consider them due to other offers/interest

Nothing new

 

[ThirdLegUp]

You'd think everyone would be well aware that West is going to the Dogs but just perhaps want to speak with him, hardly think such a stance in required, surprised that Khemis would be saying the same.

 

[ossie_21]

You'd think everyone would be well aware that West is going to the Dogs but just perhaps want to speak with him, hardly think such a stance in required, surprised that Khemis would be saying the same.

Hopefully no club that finished above us trades their way ahead of us, or GC use one of their picks to nominate West cos I can see a ******* bid happening before our pick (if not traded away for Wingard etc, that is)

 

[Mojorisin]

Hopefully no club that finished above us trades their way ahead of us, or GC use one of their picks to nominate West cos I can see a ******* bid happening before our pick (if not traded away for Wingard etc, that is)

Extremely doubt a pick comes before pick 7. That top group is pretty much set.

 

[goodcop badcop]

2018 NAB AFL Draft Combine – National

Medium Midfielders

Zac Butters Vic Metro/Western Jets/Darley
08/09/2000 Height: 181cm Weight: 70kg

Medium midfielder who is clever and creative using his footy smarts to set up the play. Quick and with good disposal skills, he impressed for Vic Metro despite carrying a shoulder injury which eventually ended his season at the end of the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships. His 19 disposals, five inside 50s and a goal against the Allies put him among Vic Metro’s best showcasing his potential.

Ely Smith Vic Country/Murray Bushrangers/Yarrawonga
13/09/2000 Height: 188cm Weight: 86kg

Medium midfielder who is a competitive type with speed and strong attack on the ball. A star in one-on-one contests and at stoppages and has excellent vision and clean hands. Burst onto the scene with an impressive game for Vic Country as a late inclusion in the final match of the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships gathering 30 possessions against WA.

Bailey Smith Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons/Xavier College
07/12/2000 Height: 185cm Weight: 82kg

Hard running medium midfielder with elite endurance and is a prolific ball winner. Very good stoppage player and can also hit the scoreboard. Averaged 24.8 disposals (50 per cent contested) across the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, winning Vic Metro’s MVP award and NAB AFL Under-18 All-Australian honours. Tough, competitive and powerful he’ll leave nothing in the tank to be successful. Member of the NAB AFL Academy.

Connor Rozee South Australia/North Adelaide
22/01/2000 Height: 185cm Weight: 71kg

Medium forward/midfielder who is strong overhead for his size and has quick hands and vision. Has speed and courage and tackles aggressively. Won the Division One best and fairest in the NAB AFL Under-16 Championships in 2016 and was an important member of South Australia’s winning NAB AFL Under-18 Championship winning side. Has already debuted at senior level with North Adelaide, impressing in semi-final gaining 24 possessions across half back. Member of NAB AFL Academy.

Jackson Hately South Australia/Central District
21/10/2000 Height: 190cm Weight: 81kg

Medium midfielder who excels at stoppages and is extremely versatile. Strong contested ball winner and can impact the scoreboard. One of the stars for South Australia averaging 22.5 disposals (nine contested) and seven tackles across the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, winning Under-18 All-Australian honours. Already played very well for Central District at senior level this year. Has the running capacity to make repeat efforts and outnumber the contest as well as transition both ways. School captain at Trinity Grammar and a member of the NAB AFL Academy.

Samuel Walsh Vic Country/Geelong Falcons/St Joseph’s
02/07/2000 Height: 184cm Weight: 74kg

Smooth moving, classy medium midfielder who is a prolific ball winner and a good distributor of the ball by hand and foot. Strong and brave overhead, he had an outstanding NAB AFL Under-18 Championship series averaging 29.5 disposals and seven tackles, winning Vic Country’s MVP award and the Larke Medal for the Division One best and fairest player. Named captain of the Under-18 All-Australian team. Has a professional attitude, outstanding work ethic and was rewarded with the Ben Mitchell Medal for his on and off field performance for the NAB AFL Academy this year. Member of the NAB AFL Academy.

Tom McKenzie Vic Metro/Northern Knights/Fitzroy
23/06/2000 Height: 184cm Weight: 76kg

Medium midfielder/defender who sets up the play with his run and kicking. Uses his footy smarts to win and use the ball well and is a resilient and durable type. Was impressive for Vic Metro against Vic Country at the MCG gathering 23 possessions, 12 marks and four tackles in round three of the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships. Composed player with good distribution by hand using his vision and awareness.

Jye Caldwell Vic Country/Bendigo Pioneers/Geelong Grammar
09/07/2000 Height: 186cm Weight: 71kg

Competitive and tough medium midfielder who has been plagued by injury this year. Has a great work rate and is a good contested ball and clearance player who makes good decisions around the ball. Strong overhead and dangerous around the goals. Was named Vic Country’s MVP in the NAB AFL Under-16 Championship in 2016 and named co-captain for Vic Country in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships this year. Member of the NAB AFL Academy.

James Rowbottom Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers/Camberwell Sharks
19/09/2000 Height: 185cm Weight: 78kg

Medium midfielder who is good at stoppages using his clean hands and vision to set up the play. Tackles aggressively and is capable of playing a running role and winning the ball one-on-one. A strong and consistent performer for Vic Metro averaging 18.8 disposals across his four matches of the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships.

Riley Collier-Dawkins Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers/Waverley Blues
03/02/2000 Height: 193cm Weight: 88kg

Medium midfielder who uses his height and power on the inside and also can be line-breaking on the outside with his pace. An exciting type with clean hands, good vision and awareness who represented Vic Metro in three matches, averaging 12 disposals. Been impressive with the Chargers averaging 18 possessions (50 per cent contested) across the season.

Fraser Turner Tasmania/Allies/Clarence
26/12/2000 Height:186cm Weight: 75kg

Medium midfielder whose run up and down the ground on the wing was a real feature of both the Allies and Tasmania this year. A durable and competitive type with elite running capacity which allowed him to link up and carry the ball and hit the scoreboard. Huge improver this year averaging 23.8 disposals in four matches for the Allies in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships.

Angus Hanrahan Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons/St Kevin’s College
09/08/2000 Height: 182cm Weight: 68kg

Medium midfielder who can play half back or half forward. Clever and creative player, he has good speed and footy smarts. Represented Vic Metro in three NAB AFL Under-18 Championship matches averaging 16 disposals.

Daly Andrews Vic Metro/Western Jets/Werribee Districts
22/02/2000 Height: 183cm Weight: 76kg

Medium midfielder/forward who breaks lines with his pace and has a long penetrating kick. A resilient prospect whose elite athletic ability resulted in competing at national level in the 400m hurdles. Team orientated player who runs both ways, he represented Vic Metro in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships against the Allies gathering 19 disposals before injury curtailed his season.

Will Golds Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers/Xavier College
06/05/2000 Height: 181cm Weight: 68kg

Medium midfielder/defender with elite running ability, clean hands and neat disposals. Overcame an ACL injury in 2017 and is now displaying his potential at Xavier College and with the Oakleigh Chargers averaging 22.5 disposals in his six matches this year.

Liam Stocker Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons/Haileybury College
23/01/2000 Height: 183cm Weight: 83kg

Medium midfielder who capped off a great year at TAC Cup level winning the Morrish Medal after averaging 22.2 disposals, 5.6 clearances and 4.5 tackles across the season. Missed the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships due to injury but his burst from stoppages, his ability in one-on-one contests and competitive nature make him a real prospect. Has the ability to impact games with his goal sense.

Oscar Brownless Vic Country/Geelong Falcons/Geelong Amateurs
16/02/2000 Height: 186cm Weight: 76kg

Medium midfielder/forward who excels in a high half forward role using his aerobic capacity to present as a target and support his team and outnumber opposition. Has good football brains and uses his vision and awareness to create opportunities by hand. Very smart around the goals, he was a consistent contributor for Vic Country in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships averaging 16.2 disposals and 4.8 tackles. Son of Billy Brownless and eligible as a Father-Son selection to Geelong

Xavier O’Halloran Vic Metro/Western Jets/St Bernard’s
11/07/2000 Height: 187cm Weight: 83kg

Medium midfielder/forward who captained Vic Metro in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships. Passionate leader who wins contested ball and has a team first attitude. Capable of kicking a long goal form a set shot, he averaged 13.2 disposals (seven contested) 3.8 tackles and 5.5 Inside 50m in the championships.

Matt McGannon Vic Country/Gippsland Power/Fish Creek
23/12/1999 Height: 184cm Weight: 73kg

Medium midfielder/forward who is quick, a good decision maker and uses the ball well by hand and foot. A strong tackler, he has had injuries interrupt his development, but he played two games for Vic Country this year as an over-aged player and has played consistently well for Gippsland Power averaging 21 disposals in 13 matches this season.

Rylee West Vic Metro/Calder Cannons/Strathmore/St Kevin’s
12/07/2000 Height: 180cm Weight: 80kg

Small midfielder/forward with a hard edge who wins his own ball averaging 22 disposals (50 per cent contested) five clearances and four tackles in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships earning him All-Australian honours. His competitive and aggressive approach together with his elite agility and power is a feature of his play which allows him to recover and get to multiple contests. Member of the NAB AFL Academy. Son of Western Bulldogs champion Scott West and eligible as a Father-Son selection.

Xavier O’Neill Oakleigh Chargers/Whitefriars College
03/08/2000 Height: 183cm Weight: 78kg

Medium midfielder/forward who wins a good balance of contested and uncontested ball. Has speed and agility which is prominent at stoppages and can push forward and use his goal sense to impact the scoreboard. Had a consistent year with the Chargers averaging 19.7 disposals, 3.9 marks and 3.7 tackles across the season.

Lachlan Sholl Vic Metro/Calder Cannons/St Bernard’s
07/03/2000 Height: 185cm Weight: 77kg

Medium forward/defender who uses his elite running ability and skills to set up the play. Has good footy smarts in reading the play and making good decisions for his team. Consistent contributor for Vic Metro in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, averaging 16.7 disposals and 70 per cent efficiency in his three matches. Son of former Carlton player Brett Sholl but not eligible for the club under Father-Son selection rules.

Luke Valente South Australia/Norwood
06/05/2000 Height: 186cm Weight: 80kg

Medium midfielder who captained the winning South Australia team to the NAB AFL Under-18 Championship win setting the standard with his contested ball winning ability, particularly at stoppages, and his composure with both his left and right side. Winner of South Australia’s MVP award, he averaged 22.8 disposals at 83.5 per cent efficiency and five tackles. Named vice-captain of the NAB AFL Under-18 All-Australian team. Member of the NAB AFL Academy.

Jack Bytel Vic Metro/Calder Cannons/Aberfeldie
14/03/2000 Height: 189cm Weight: 80kg

Medium midfielder who is a contested ball winner and a star around stoppages. Has a good touch and clean hands and is composed in congestion. Has had an interrupted season with injury but starred as a bottom aged player last year winning best on ground honours in the NAB All-Stars Futures game in Grand Final week. Winner of Vic Metro’s MVP award at Under-16 level in 2016. Member of the NAB AFL Academy.

Jacob Kennerley South Australia/Norwood/Rostrevor College
16/06/2000 Height: 184cm Weight: 76kg

Smooth moving wingman/half back with the ability to link up by hand and foot. Has very good speed and endurance and was prominent player for South Australia in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships averaging 17.8 disposals. Also a prolific ball winner for Norwood Under-18s averaging 24 disposals in 12 matches.

2018 NAB AFL Draft Combine – State
Medium Midfielders

Finn Betterman Glenelg
09/05/2000 Height: 180cm Weight: 73kg

Brett Bewley Williamstown
14/04/1995 Height: 185cm Weight: 87kg

Jason Carter Peel Thunder
11/01/2000 Height: 182cm Weight: 75kg

Kyle Dunkley Oakleigh Chargers
20/06/2000 Height: 184cm Weight: 81kg

Sam Fletcher Dandenong Stingrays
27/01/2000 Height: 187cm Weight: 79kg

Xavier Fry Eastern Ranges
08/08/2000 Height: 183cm Weight: 68kg

Sam Graham Calder Cannons
24/06/2000 Height: 185cm Weight: 76kg

Matthew Green NT Thunder
05/05/2000 Height: 189cm Weight: 73kg

Ethan Hansen Perth
25/06/2000 Height: 182cm Weight: 72cm

Will Hayes Footscray VFL
05/06/1995 Height: 181cm Weight: 79kg

Ryan Hebron Sydney University
03/05/1997 Height: 186cm Weight: 82kg

Will Hickmott Subiaco
11/12/2000 Height: 180cm Weight: 76kg

Corey Hitchcock Claremont
08/06/1999 Height: 180cm Weight: 75kg

Zane Keighran Bendigo Pioneers
19/10/2000 Height: 182cm Weight: 79kg

Lachlan McDonnell Dandenong Stingrays
22/05/2000 Height: 186cm Weight: 80kg

Justin McInerney Northern Knights
18/08/2000 Height: 18cm Weight: 72kg

Rylie Morgan Claremont
24/03/2000 Height: 182cm Weight: 81kg

Aaron Nietschke Central District
26/05/2000 Height: 184cm Weight: 77kg

Matthew Nunn Norwood
18/04/1997 Height: 181cm Weight: 78kg

Tyson Powell Peel Thunder
07/04/2000 Height: 187cm Weight: 80kg

Kai Pudney Woodville West Torrens
09/01/2000 Height: 186cm Weight: 78kg

Harry Reynolds Sandringham Dragons
11/10/2000 Height: 190cm Weight: 75kg

Alistair Richards Sandringham Dragons
09/05/2000 Height: 187cm Weight: 78kg

Mitch Riordan Dandenong Stingrays
25/01/2000 Height: 186cm Weight: 79kg

Jack Ross Oakleigh Chargers
03/09/2000 Height: 186cm Weight: 85kg

James Sturrock Peel Thunder
17/02/2000 Height: 183cm Weight: 76kg

Jai Taylor Dandenong Stingrays
03/02/2000 Height: 187cm Weight: 71kg

Charlie Thompson Richmond VFL
15/03/1999 Height: 183cm Weight: 80kg

Adam Tipungwuti Western Magpies
04/06/1996 Height: 176 Weight: 72kg

Charlie Wilson GWV Rebels
25/03/2000 Height: 180cm Weight: 78kg

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-20/medium-midfielders-named-for-the-afl-draft-combine

 

[Northernsoul74]

Who is quicker, Smith or Rozee?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Tough, competitive and powerful he’ll leave nothing in the tank to be successful.

I'd pick that one.

 

[glenashley]

I suspect clubs will bid on our players at some point but not too high in case we actually don't match and they end up having to take them. Clubs will want to see us pay fair value for them rather than them slipping to later in the draft.