List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[Saintly Viewed]

Integrity.
Thy name is AFL.

 

[Quicky]

So we can't get Marsh under that rule. Its after 17 Oct and presumably we didn't lodge any paperwork. And its been longer than a year. It might be handy for Hawthorn and Rioli though! Shudder.

 

[35Daicos]

Just read somewhere that there is a loophole which could allow mumford to re-join gws without going into the draft. Wonder if this could apply to marsh aswell. Note it was mummy going onto the rookie list.

Anyone know anything about said loophole?

I've only just gotten around to having a decent look at this (following) story, and wasn't really aware of the changes the AFL had recently introduced. I presume it's because of this that GWS can reclaim Mumford via a Rookie List spot (December 1>March 15). It seems he could take the place of a seriously injured player (Patton perhaps). With Marsh/Collingwood the situation shouldn't be any different, but if he does nominate for the upcoming draft he's likely to be snapped up by someone. Otherwise we might be able to sign him to replace Scharenberg (LTI) or Murray (if disqualifed/axed). Perhaps the club could (if interested in Marsh) persuade him to not nominate for the draft and they might be able to just claim him under these new rules?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-04/afl-brings-in-midseason-rookie-draft-for-2019-

A MID-SEASON rookie draft will be introduced in the AFL in 2019.

Clubs will also be able to sign players via the rookie list between December 1 and March 15 to replace retired or seriously injured players.
To be eligible for the new rookie-list places, players must have previously nominated for the NAB AFL Draft, or had previously been on the list of an AFL club.
Clubs will be able to take part in the mid-season rookie draft if they have a list spot available, or if they create one by moving a long-term injured or retired player to the new 'inactive list'.

The draft order will be based on reverse ladder order at a mid-season date to be specified.
Clubs must make any pre-season list changes between December 1 and March 15.
The change was approved by the AFL Commission following its meeting in Melbourne last week.

How the rookie-list replacements will work
Pre-season list changes (Dec 1, 2018 to Mar 15, 2019)

• Clubs that have a rookie list spot available can now utilise it by signing a player during this period.
• To be eligible, players must have previously nominated for the NAB AFL National Draft or previously been on the list of an AFL club.
• If a club suffers an injury or retirement, a list spot can be created by placing a player on an inactive list, and they can now be replaced by a rookie player.
• Clubs must have the available salary cap for that player as per the current AFL rules

Mid-season rookie draft (date to be confirmed)

• Should AFL clubs have a list spot available or one is created through a player being placed on the inactive list, they will be able to add a player to their rookie list and select players based on reverse ladder order at a mid-season date to be specified.
• To be eligible, players must re-nominate for the mid-season rookie draft.
• Clubs have first rights to re-contract their drafted player or he becomes a delisted free agent.

 

[Copeland]

I suppose it could just be an extraordinary coincidence that the AFL has revamped the rule(s) at the same time as one of their favourite clubs was wanting to reclaim a star player!!!

Can we use this rule to get Marsh?

Just saw the post above.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Can we use this rule to get Marsh?

Just saw the post above.

We are not registered as AFL Giants

 

[35Daicos]

Can we use this rule to get Marsh?

Just saw the post above.

I'm just not sure. It would be nice to see the "fine print" on these new rules! No doubt (if we were keen on getting Marsh back) we'd be looking into it, but he might get snapped up in one of the drafts (prior to Dec. 1). We would need to have a spare Rookie List spot; fitting everyone in as things stand will be hard enough, but if the club is confident that Murray will be gone soon enough then that may provide the opening. Also, when it says "If a club suffers an injury or retirement, a list spot can be created by placing a player on an inactive list, and they can now be replaced by a rookie player" does that allow for players like Scharenberg and Patton (who will miss much of the next season), or only someone injured during the off-season (like Docherty a year ago)?

So, still don't know!

 

[Quicky]

I'm just not sure. It would be nice to see the "fine print" on these new rules! No doubt (if we were keen on getting Marsh back) we'd be looking into it, but he might get snapped up in one of the drafts (prior to Dec. 1). We would need to have a spare Rookie List spot; fitting everyone in as things stand will be hard enough, but if the club is confident that Murray will be gone soon enough then that may provide the opening. Also, when it says "If a club suffers an injury or retirement, a list spot can be created by placing a player on an inactive list, and they can now be replaced by a rookie player" does that allow for players like Scharenberg and Patton (who will miss much of the next season), or only someone injured during the off-season (like Docherty a year ago)?

So, still don't know!

Doesn't the current rule state the application needs to be before 17 October in the year the player is to be listed? Is that this October (just past) or next? And the player needs to be on the list within the last 12 months. That seems to preclude us from Marsh. Although it would be good to see what the actual change has been in the CBA to properly interpret it!

As an aside, words like "at the AFLs absolute discretion" in the wording of the rule is so bogus! You would never see that in legislation for example. It's like a bad contract rather than a fair set of rules.

 

[CFC2010]

We are not registered as AFL Giants

Saintly are you saying the AFL makes up rules on the run?

I am shocked to be sitting here.

 

[35Daicos]

Doesn't the current rule state the application needs to be before 17 October in the year the player is to be listed? Is that this October (just past) or next? And the player needs to be on the list within the last 12 months. That seems to preclude us from Marsh. Although it would be good to see what the actual change has been in the CBA to properly interpret it!

As an aside, words like "at the AFLs absolute discretion" in the wording of the rule is so bogus! You would never see that in legislation for example. It's like a bad contract rather than a fair set of rules.

I'm really only guessing, but I'd say those (old) rules have been replaced by these new ones, and the 17 October deadline shouldn't matter anymore, and most likely the 12 months out of the AFL limit no longer applies. It would be good to see exactly what the rules are for this.

I certainly do agree with that last paragraph of yours BTW!

 

[Quicky]

I'm really only guessing, but I'd say those (old) rules have been replaced by these new ones, and the 17 October deadline shouldn't matter anymore, and most likely the 12 months out of the AFL limit no longer applies. It would be good to see exactly what the rules are for this.

I certainly do agree with that last paragraph of yours BTW!

I've always found it really frustrating that the AFL doesn't make it easy to locate the current and most recent version of the AFL Rules document. It totally lacks transparency. You can access any Commonwealth and State legislation (including previous iterations) that you want easily online. You can access local laws if you want. It should be published on the AFL website (the most recent version I mean as they often have old versions). Presumably you need to write to an official and request it. I wonder how the clubs are notified of these changes. It's all very dodgy.

 

[TradeDraft]

I've always found it really frustrating that the AFL doesn't make it easy to locate the current and most recent version of the AFL Rules document. It totally lacks transparency. You can access any Commonwealth and State legislation (including previous iterations) that you want easily online. You can access local laws if you want. It should be published on the AFL website (the most recent version I mean as they often have old versions). Presumably you need to write to an official and request it. I wonder how the clubs are notified of these changes. It's all very dodgy.

They Change things so Quickly it be out of Date in a Day

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Saintly are you saying the AFL makes up rules on the run?

I am shocked to be sitting here.

Perish the thought

 

[35Daicos]

I've always found it really frustrating that the AFL doesn't make it easy to locate the current and most recent version of the AFL Rules document. It totally lacks transparency. You can access any Commonwealth and State legislation (including previous iterations) that you want easily online. You can access local laws if you want. It should be published on the AFL website (the most recent version I mean as they often have old versions). Presumably you need to write to an official and request it. I wonder how the clubs are notified of these changes. It's all very dodgy.

Yes, there should be an easy to locate spot on the AFL website where those documents can be found. They do at least have the links to AFL Rules 2018 and the 2017-2022 CBA here: http://www.afl.com.au/policies I suspect not many people would know they are there, but it's not being able to get your hands on the latest amendments to the rules that causes problems!! They should also have links to the old versions of the documents in the same spot.

I always have the latest (available) copy of the CBA and AFL Rules sitting on my desktop so I can access them easily. But in situations like this (Marsh/Mumford cases) it doesn't help. I really dislike the fact that we often have to simply guess, as there's nothing out there that tells us exactly what the rules are.

In general the AFL doesn't do this sort of thing nearly well enough. At the bottom of it's website home page is the Indigenous Community link. The Indigenous AFL Players page is at least a year out of date, with e.g. Lindsay Thomas still shown as being at North Melbourne, Sharrod Wellingham at West Coast, and Shane Yarran with Fremantle - not only was he delisted at the end of last season, he died back in April. It's not good enough, and could be done much better.

 

[jonbe54]

Lol the AFL are one of the most corrupt sporting organizations on the planet - and that is just with the published draft rules.

FFS the entire competition is shaped to be a rolling merry-go-round to ensure the success of the expansion clubs and to facilitate the ever increasing profits of the betting agencies who pull all the strings.

OF COURSE there is no easy way to access their bullshit rules lol.

 

[Bay Pie]

3 ND draft selections.

3 Oakleigh boys.

IQ, Young Ned and Atu.

 

[HFF]

3 ND draft selections.

3 Oakleigh boys.

IQ, Young Ned and Atu.

I'm secretly hoping for a Jono Marsh return too.
That would be a perfect off season.

 

[Hardas]

3 ND draft selections.

3 Oakleigh boys.

IQ, Young Ned and Atu.

Seems that way, doesn't it.
Good mix, especially if one or both tall Irish blokes pan out.

 

[unplugged]

I'm secretly hoping for a Jono Marsh return too.
That would be a perfect off season.

Not so secret anymore!

 

[ash84]

On the Road to The Draft podcast Cal bid on Quaynor with pick 11

 

[CFC2010]

I would have loved to have had this kid in our Academy...…..sounds like a ripper.

AFL News
Hawthorn announces it will draft Irving Mosquito in AFL national draft
BEN BROAD, Herald Sun
an hour ago
premium_iconSubscriber only

• 
  The AFL national draft is more than a week away but the Hawks have swooped early, revealing they’ll promote excitement machine Irving Mosquito to the senior list.

• Mosquito, a 175cm forward, is a member of Hawthorn’s Next Generation Academy and earlier this year spent a few days training with the club under coach Alastair Clarkson.
  
  The Hawks today announced they would nominate the Gippsland Power forward, the club able to match any offer put forward by rival clubs.
  
  Mosquito has made a name for himself in junior ranks with his willingness to hunt opposition players and his love for kicking a goal, a role Clarkson’s team would welcome in the wake of Cyril Rioli’s retirement.
  
  “He can light up a game pretty quickly,” AFL talent guru Kevin Sheehan said of Mosquito earlier this year.
  
  
  
  
  media_cameraIrving Mosquito in action for Victoria Country at the U/16 national championships in 2016.
  “He’s one of those electric players and within moments you will notice him either in the forward line or through the midfield because he has got that breakaway pace, real agility and a really natural, instinctive feel for the game.”
  
  Mosquito grew up in Halls Creek — 700km inland from Broome — but moved to Victoria when he was 11.
  
  He admitted the move was daunting at the time, especially given he only spoke “a little bit of English” at the time.
  
  But joining the Hawks’ development squad had boosted his confidence, allowing admirers to see more of his trademark skills.
  
  
  
  
  media_cameraMosquito at Gippsland Grammar School.
  
  
  
  media_cameraMosquito keeps oppositions on their toes.

• “I just like to put on pressure, tackle, kick goals and sell a bit of candy,” Mosquito said earlier this year.
  
  Power coach Leigh Brown, the former North Melbourne and Collingwood premiership utility, said it wasn’t just Mosquito’s on-field talent that made him an attractive proposition.
  
  “He walks into the club and he has got the biggest smile you will ever see on a player,” Brown said.
  
  “He has got a different handshake with each of his teammates, he’s even got one with me and I didn’t think I was cool enough for that, but he’s just a great kid, and he’s always happy.”
  

 

[TradeDraft]

With our Low Picks and knowing pretty much who we are Drafting.

I am finding it hard to get too excited about this years Draft

 

[TradeDraft]

I would have loved to have had this kid in our Academy...…..sounds like a ripper.

AFL News
Hawthorn announces it will draft Irving Mosquito in AFL national draft
BEN BROAD, Herald Sun
an hour ago
premium_iconSubscriber only

• 
  The AFL national draft is more than a week away but the Hawks have swooped early, revealing they’ll promote excitement machine Irving Mosquito to the senior list.

• Mosquito, a 175cm forward, is a member of Hawthorn’s Next Generation Academy and earlier this year spent a few days training with the club under coach Alastair Clarkson.
  
  The Hawks today announced they would nominate the Gippsland Power forward, the club able to match any offer put forward by rival clubs.
  
  Mosquito has made a name for himself in junior ranks with his willingness to hunt opposition players and his love for kicking a goal, a role Clarkson’s team would welcome in the wake of Cyril Rioli’s retirement.
  
  “He can light up a game pretty quickly,” AFL talent guru Kevin Sheehan said of Mosquito earlier this year.
  
  
  
  
  media_cameraIrving Mosquito in action for Victoria Country at the U/16 national championships in 2016.
  “He’s one of those electric players and within moments you will notice him either in the forward line or through the midfield because he has got that breakaway pace, real agility and a really natural, instinctive feel for the game.”
  
  Mosquito grew up in Halls Creek — 700km inland from Broome — but moved to Victoria when he was 11.
  
  He admitted the move was daunting at the time, especially given he only spoke “a little bit of English” at the time.
  
  But joining the Hawks’ development squad had boosted his confidence, allowing admirers to see more of his trademark skills.
  
  
  
  
  media_cameraMosquito at Gippsland Grammar School.
  
  
  
  media_cameraMosquito keeps oppositions on their toes.

• “I just like to put on pressure, tackle, kick goals and sell a bit of candy,” Mosquito said earlier this year.
  
  Power coach Leigh Brown, the former North Melbourne and Collingwood premiership utility, said it wasn’t just Mosquito’s on-field talent that made him an attractive proposition.
  
  “He walks into the club and he has got the biggest smile you will ever see on a player,” Brown said.
  
  “He has got a different handshake with each of his teammates, he’s even got one with me and I didn’t think I was cool enough for that, but he’s just a great kid, and he’s always happy.”

Hawks always seem to have Great Zone's

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

With our Low Picks and knowing pretty much who we are Drafting.

I am finding it hard to get too excited about this years Draft

Exciting aspect is wondering where Quaynor and Kelly bids will come in the draft and how willing we are to go into deficit.

Our third list spot available isn't necessarily reserved for Atu either.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I would have loved to have had this kid in our Academy...…..sounds like a ripper.

AFL News
Hawthorn announces it will draft Irving Mosquito in AFL national draft
BEN BROAD, Herald Sun
an hour ago
premium_iconSubscriber only

• 
  The AFL national draft is more than a week away but the Hawks have swooped early, revealing they’ll promote excitement machine Irving Mosquito to the senior list.

• Mosquito, a 175cm forward, is a member of Hawthorn’s Next Generation Academy and earlier this year spent a few days training with the club under coach Alastair Clarkson.
  
  The Hawks today announced they would nominate the Gippsland Power forward, the club able to match any offer put forward by rival clubs.
  
  Mosquito has made a name for himself in junior ranks with his willingness to hunt opposition players and his love for kicking a goal, a role Clarkson’s team would welcome in the wake of Cyril Rioli’s retirement.
  
  “He can light up a game pretty quickly,” AFL talent guru Kevin Sheehan said of Mosquito earlier this year.
  
  
  
  
  media_cameraIrving Mosquito in action for Victoria Country at the U/16 national championships in 2016.
  “He’s one of those electric players and within moments you will notice him either in the forward line or through the midfield because he has got that breakaway pace, real agility and a really natural, instinctive feel for the game.”
  
  Mosquito grew up in Halls Creek — 700km inland from Broome — but moved to Victoria when he was 11.
  
  He admitted the move was daunting at the time, especially given he only spoke “a little bit of English” at the time.
  
  But joining the Hawks’ development squad had boosted his confidence, allowing admirers to see more of his trademark skills.
  
  
  
  
  media_cameraMosquito at Gippsland Grammar School.
  
  
  
  media_cameraMosquito keeps oppositions on their toes.

• “I just like to put on pressure, tackle, kick goals and sell a bit of candy,” Mosquito said earlier this year.
  
  Power coach Leigh Brown, the former North Melbourne and Collingwood premiership utility, said it wasn’t just Mosquito’s on-field talent that made him an attractive proposition.
  
  “He walks into the club and he has got the biggest smile you will ever see on a player,” Brown said.
  
  “He has got a different handshake with each of his teammates, he’s even got one with me and I didn’t think I was cool enough for that, but he’s just a great kid, and he’s always happy.”

Swat

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Hawks always seem to have Great Zone's

Dave, if you only realised what an absolute treasure Hawthorn got with zones decades ago.
Got so any starts from their zone eg Dipper, Dermie, Leigh.

Should have really been St Kildas zone. Once again St Hopeless was completely dudded.