Traded 2018 Live Trade: Carlton trade #4 (2019) to Adelaide for #19 (2018) and #9 (2019)

[My name geoff]

for sure, our effort was particularly poor in the second half of the season having been 8-5 at the bye. But 2 things Reid probably didn't gamble on were Melbourne dropping from prelim finalist to utter schit and carlton sacking bolton during the season when they had been steadfast in backing him in. at the halfway point of the season with bolton in charge, carlton were dead last on 1 win and we were finals bound. Melbourne stank it up big time and carlton appointed a guy that I really rate as a coach and he pulled them right on up.

All jokes aside, it’s truly bewildering how some crows fans can defend young Reid after what he’s done to your club.

 

[Jeremias]

I'm not going to say this again.

This thread is to discuss the pick swap between Adelaide and Carlton during last year's trade period.

If you want to hang s**t on another club, head to Bay 13 or your club board.

No more warnings. Keep it on topic.

 

[My name geoff]

Sure. Had the 2019 swap been finalised mid-year, Adelaide would have been feeling very happy.

But the more bullish assessment of the Blues position by SOS was probably better reflected in the second half of the season. Most Carlton supporters hoped we might have improved to 7/8/9 wins. At the halfway mark this seemed unattainable and Bolton lost his job. So I think we probably ended up roughly where we thought we might be (win wise) but lower on the ladder (that where we thought we might have been) given the evenness of the top half of the competition.

The assessment of the Adelaide position would have been harder given the two previous and conflicting years. Perhaps SOS simply thought the game style and age profile meant Adelaide were past their best. That might be hard for Adelaide supporters to accept - that he made a good judgement in relation to your list - but it seems he was also happy to do a similar deal with Port. So perhaps he's quite astute after all, despite the hate he gets on BF.

If anyone cared to actually look at their list closely, it was blatantly obvious that the crows would struggle this year.

Way to old to ‘bounce back’ as their fans would have everyone believe. Their best opportunity for success came and went and all it produced was a belting on the biggest stage to a team who had only just arrived.

Given that they lost Cameron, Lever, McGovern and we’re already missing Lyons from that team and replaced them with a 29 year old Gibbs, they were always going to collapse.

They lost a quarter of their 2016 team, the quarter which contained just about all their best talent about to hit their prime and replaced them with nothing of note.

 

[dlb99]

Great move by Reid, Carlton will now be getting pick 10 or 11

And Crows pick will be either 4 or 5 (if Tom Green is bid on).
Mid season it would have been pick 1.
David Teague saved this pick swap from the Blues perspective.
There are only two standouts in this weak draft (both going to Gold Coast now).

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

so the very simple question is - why didn't carlton just keep their mature age pick and pick 13 (they would have only needed tip in a later pick to satisfy Sydney)? - the answer is that they rated McGovern at what was traded to Adelaide - this shows that the cost to get McGGovern to the club was pick 13 and a mature age pick

edit. the funniest thing here is that had Carlton just traded with Sydney and not bothered about McGovern, they could have got Stocker with the pick 13 AND kept pick 3 this year - no need to do the live trade

But then we wouldn’t have McGovern or your future third (this pick is always forgotten about, you also gave away pick 40 to Sydney, hence the deal not getting done without 3 clubs).

Pick 8, Stocker and McGovern or pick 3 and Stocker? In such a weak and even draft I’m taking the former. As would 99% of people, as would Young Reid if the Crows didn’t alienate half their side.

 

[Drewie11]

And Crows pick will be either 4 or 5 (if Tom Green is bid on).
Mid season it would have been pick 1.
David Teague saved this pick swap from the Blues perspective.
There are only two standouts in this weak draft (both going to Gold Coast now).

Remember when Cripps went at 13 in a supposedly s**t draft. You and I have no idea.

 

[Sector 7G]

Remember when Cripps went at 13 in a supposedly s**t draft. You and I have no idea.

Since when was 2013 supposed to be a weak draft? Heaps of highly rated options in that year. Carlton picked Cripps earlier than the consensus.

 

[dlb99]

Remember when Cripps went at 13 in a supposedly s**t draft. You and I have no idea.

So you saying Carlton may draft a better player at 9 than the Crows at 4 since we drafted Cripps at 13. I agree.

Heck Stocker may end up the best player out of all three picks.

 

[dlb99]

Since when was 2013 supposed to be a weak draft? Heaps of highly rated options in that year. Carlton picked Cripps earlier than the consensus.

Knightmare had him 31.

Currently, along with Bont, he appears to be the best from that draft.

With this swap Carlton potentially has 2 bites of the cherry vs 1. But we may trade the pick.

 

[Old navy]

If the talk that the crows are looking to trade pick 4 for two first rounders is true, what was the point of doing that trade in the first place ? just get a extra pick in a much weaker draft

 

[stfan]

If the talk that the crows are looking to trade pick 4 for two first rounders is true, what was the point of doing that trade in the first place ? just get a extra pick in a much weaker draft

Well I think the attraction may well be that those 2 picks may allow them to snag two SA players rather than 1 non-SA player

 

[Drewie11]

If the talk that the crows are looking to trade pick 4 for two first rounders is true, what was the point of doing that trade in the first place ? just get a extra pick in a much weaker draft

Pick 4? When did that happen?

Why swap 1 pick for 2! Is that your question? They swapped pick 19 and have now received pick 3.

If they swap that for 2 picks at around 10-14 then they have done a great job. They obviously didn’t rate stocker and nailed another great trade with GWS pretty much straight after.

 

[1970crow]

Compare the amount of games the Carlton ‘ins’ played in comparison to the Crows ‘ins’.
Now compare the games played of the Carlton ‘outs’ to the Crow ‘outs’.
Significant.

As for your dumb ‘why did you finish 16th’ retort...well, it doesn’t take much to work that out.

You know our lack of playing our ‘ins’ is on our screwed up coaching panel, not our talent ID crew.

 

[jezzajay]

You know our lack of playing our ‘ins’ is on our screwed up coaching panel, not our talent ID crew.

I actually think it’s a combination of both.

 

[footyfan1978]

Pick 4? When did that happen?

Why swap 1 pick for 2! Is that your question? They swapped pick 19 and have now received pick 3.

Weird how can get this so wrong.
Swapped first rounders this draft and totally gave up pick 19 from last super draft.
Can we keep doing this please. I love getting picks from thin air that we never started with

 

[Arr0w]

Well pick 13 didn't just happen to fall out of the air and without it mcgovern was not getting to your mob..

You do realise you also contributed to getting pick 13?

 

[1970crow]

I actually think it’s a combination of both.

Doubtful. Both Fog and Jones performed admirably late in the year. Our philosophy values experience and continuity well ahead of talent and form.

 

[jezzajay]

Doubtful. Both Fog and Jones performed admirably late in the year. Our philosophy values experience and continuity well ahead of talent and form.

You could also throw the player in that also.
I find it a bit rich to just point the finger at just the coach for a players ‘form’ or lack of.

 

[dlb99]

Pick 4? When did that happen?

Why swap 1 pick for 2! Is that your question? They swapped pick 19 and have now received pick 3.

If they swap that for 2 picks at around 10-14 then they have done a great job. They obviously didn’t rate stocker and nailed another great trade with GWS pretty much straight after.

Not pick 3, pick 4 once Gold Coast get a priority pick.
Maybe even pick 5 if Tom Green (GWS academy pick) is bid on.

In May it was looking like pick 1 to the Crows and pick 15 to the Blues (and Stocker).
It could end up being pick 5 to the Crows and pick 10 to the Blues (and Stocker).

On trade value the swap is about even, there is no way either side can claim to have beaten the other.

 

[Drewie11]

Not pick 3, pick 4 once Gold Coast get a priority pick.
Maybe even pick 5 if Tom Green (GWS academy pick) is bid on.

In May it was looking like pick 1 to the Crows and pick 15 to the Blues (and Stocker).
It could end up being pick 5 to the Crows and pick 10 to the Blues (and Stocker).

On trade value the swap is about even, there is no way either side can claim to have beaten the other.

Been in the meetings at AFL with the priority pick have you?

 

[dlb99]

Been in the meetings at AFL with the priority pick have you?

It will very likely happen, be prepared.
The media seeds have already been planted in typical head office ways.
Rowell and Anderson are mates, AFL will get them both to GC.

 

[Drewie11]

It will very likely happen, be prepared.
The media seeds have already been planted in typical head office ways.
Rowell and Anderson are mates, AFL will get them both to GC.

So it’s pick 3 though isn’t it... not pick 4 that you keep throwing out there ?

 

[dlb99]

So it’s pick 3 though isn’t it... not pick 4 that you keep throwing out there ?

4.

1 - Gold Coast
2 - Gold Coast
3 - Melbourne
4 - Adelaide

If Melbourne bid on Tom Green then your pick goes to 5.

 

[Drewie11]

4.

1 - Gold Coast
2 - Gold Coast
3 - Melbourne
4 - Adelaide

If Melbourne bid on Tom Green then your pick goes to 5.

Here is mine from the AFL website, can I see the one you have right now that says pick 4 Adelaide?

 

[1970crow]

You could also throw the player in that also.
I find it a bit rich to just point the finger at just the coach for a players ‘form’ or lack of.

We’ve been doing it for years though. We haven’t changed since the days of Neil Craig. System, continuity and experience is what matters. You don’t need talent if you nail those 3, 22 grunts that know their roles = success. You don’t coach to counteract opposition strengths, you just “play our way”. Pyke is a pure disciple of Neil. We do not give our kids a chance because we’d rather see Mackay and Douglas provide another pure 3/10 game. But, the great thing is that we knew they’d provide exactly that. Continuity is king.