List Mgmt. 2019 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals Thread

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Unfortunately, he belongs to both of us and up until now, we have been the estranged parent in this. Now that he wants to come and live with us you need to understand that he doesn't love you any less, but just needs to connect more to us.
You can still see him on weekends. Channel 7.
He could been all yours if you didn’t shaft his family back in the day :p
But jokes aside I’d much rather see him return to his roots with you guys than end up at another Victorian club
 

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Maybe us interstate fans are a bit more used to players getting sharked than Victorian clubs. When was the last time Essendon lost a big name?
Wanganeen was the last true big name.
Ryder and Carlisle self inflicted by the club but neither are huge names but decent players nonetheless
 
Why Essendon must play hard ball on ‘irreplaceable’ Daniher
Matthew Lloyd
October 6, 2019 — 6.19pm
There’s every chance that Joe Daniher will play for the Essendon Football Club in 2020, despite having only played 11 games in the past two seasons.
Daniher is irreplaceable at the Bombers as nobody else on the playing list comes close to what he can produce in the forward line.
In demand: Essendon forward Joe Daniher.

In demand: Essendon forward Joe Daniher.Paul Rovere
Essendon must stand strong and not trade Daniher to Sydney unless the deal sees them land a like-for-like replacement to become the central figure in the club’s forward line next season. Failure to do so would likely see the Bombers treading water again, and the finals-winning drought will almost certainly extend to a 16th season.
Essendon cannot go into season 2020 with a forward line led by Shaun McKernan and Mitch Brown. As competitive and honest as they are, they are role players who play secondary roles to the number one forward.
Jake Stringer has won Essendon’s goalkicking award for the past two seasons with 30 and 34 goals, respectively, while Daniher was injured. Numbers like that are not going to put fear into Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes, David Astbury and Bachar Houli next year. A fit Daniher would, which is why Essendon must play hard ball with him and the Swans.
This year’s national draft does not have a two-metre tall key position standout like Ben or Max King. This is a draft filled with midfielders and flankers at the top end. If Sydney are to offer up pick five for Daniher, it won’t make sense to take it. Adding another midfield type like Darcy Parish, who went at pick five in 2015, would leave Essendon without a key forward capable of kicking 60 goals in a season.
Questions will be asked of Greater Western Sydney spearhead and Coleman Medal winner Jeremy Cameron - but he isn’t going anywhere - and of Gold Coast’s Ben King. But again, King is worth more to the Suns than a midfielder with pick five so King isn’t going anywhere, either. King has already become the Suns’ most valuable commodity so they would not trade him in this year’s window. The Suns don’t need any more draft picks; they just need King’s signature.
Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd says he is confused by mixed messages surrounding the future of star forward Joe Daniher
With no like-for-like replacement around for Daniher and no ideal player in the national draft to compensate for his loss in the forward line, Essendon would then ask the question of Isaac Heeney or Nick Blakey being traded for Daniher.
Both Heeney and Blakey have lived in Sydney for all or most of their lives and would not want to leave. Nor would the Swans be willing to trade them, but Carlton didn’t want to trade Josh Kennedy to the West Coast Eagles for Chris Judd, either. They just had to, to get the deal done.
I really don’t see a compromise being reached between the two clubs, which is why I believe Daniher is a massive chance to play for the Bombers against his wishes next season. Do not rule out Daniher being forced to see out the final year of his contract, just as a former Swan Ryan O’Keefe did successfully a decade ago after his trade request to the Hawks was rejected.
Daniher has cited a lifestyle change as the reason for wanting to move to Sydney but there has to be more to it, as it was only 12 months ago that he was part of the successful pitch to get Dylan Shiel to Essendon. One of the attractions for Shiel would have been playing with Daniher, and Shiel would be well aware that losing Daniher only takes his new club further away from winning their first final since 2004.
I also wonder whether the actions of Swans chief executive Tom Harley will make it harder for the two clubs to reach a deal after he spoke so publicly in July of how the Swans had no intention of poaching Daniher and that he was only catching up with Daniher in his role as his mentor.
Bombers chief executive Xavier Campbell must feel let down by his Swans counterpart in Harley, but the Essendon members must also feel let down by their own club. They now face the possibility of losing two quality young players in Daniher and Orazio Fantasia, who is likely to request a trade to Port Adelaide, leaving the club they were once so passionate about.
Whaaaaa Lloydy.
Whaaaa!
Finally a little pay back for Ben Doolan.
 
Absolutely spewing on Jones

Underrated imo in what he brings to an already slow team without any speed from congestion

Totally agree,

If we do add Lewis Taylor that replaces the line breaking ability but not the grunt to get the pill still hope we get Taylor though for some pace in the side
 
Why Essendon must play hard ball on ‘irreplaceable’ Daniher
Matthew Lloyd
October 6, 2019 — 6.19pm
There’s every chance that Joe Daniher will play for the Essendon Football Club in 2020, despite having only played 11 games in the past two seasons.
Daniher is irreplaceable at the Bombers as nobody else on the playing list comes close to what he can produce in the forward line.
In demand: Essendon forward Joe Daniher.

In demand: Essendon forward Joe Daniher.Paul Rovere
Essendon must stand strong and not trade Daniher to Sydney unless the deal sees them land a like-for-like replacement to become the central figure in the club’s forward line next season. Failure to do so would likely see the Bombers treading water again, and the finals-winning drought will almost certainly extend to a 16th season.
Essendon cannot go into season 2020 with a forward line led by Shaun McKernan and Mitch Brown. As competitive and honest as they are, they are role players who play secondary roles to the number one forward.
Jake Stringer has won Essendon’s goalkicking award for the past two seasons with 30 and 34 goals, respectively, while Daniher was injured. Numbers like that are not going to put fear into Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes, David Astbury and Bachar Houli next year. A fit Daniher would, which is why Essendon must play hard ball with him and the Swans.
This year’s national draft does not have a two-metre tall key position standout like Ben or Max King. This is a draft filled with midfielders and flankers at the top end. If Sydney are to offer up pick five for Daniher, it won’t make sense to take it. Adding another midfield type like Darcy Parish, who went at pick five in 2015, would leave Essendon without a key forward capable of kicking 60 goals in a season.
Questions will be asked of Greater Western Sydney spearhead and Coleman Medal winner Jeremy Cameron - but he isn’t going anywhere - and of Gold Coast’s Ben King. But again, King is worth more to the Suns than a midfielder with pick five so King isn’t going anywhere, either. King has already become the Suns’ most valuable commodity so they would not trade him in this year’s window. The Suns don’t need any more draft picks; they just need King’s signature.
Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd says he is confused by mixed messages surrounding the future of star forward Joe Daniher
With no like-for-like replacement around for Daniher and no ideal player in the national draft to compensate for his loss in the forward line, Essendon would then ask the question of Isaac Heeney or Nick Blakey being traded for Daniher.
Both Heeney and Blakey have lived in Sydney for all or most of their lives and would not want to leave. Nor would the Swans be willing to trade them, but Carlton didn’t want to trade Josh Kennedy to the West Coast Eagles for Chris Judd, either. They just had to, to get the deal done.
I really don’t see a compromise being reached between the two clubs, which is why I believe Daniher is a massive chance to play for the Bombers against his wishes next season. Do not rule out Daniher being forced to see out the final year of his contract, just as a former Swan Ryan O’Keefe did successfully a decade ago after his trade request to the Hawks was rejected.
Daniher has cited a lifestyle change as the reason for wanting to move to Sydney but there has to be more to it, as it was only 12 months ago that he was part of the successful pitch to get Dylan Shiel to Essendon. One of the attractions for Shiel would have been playing with Daniher, and Shiel would be well aware that losing Daniher only takes his new club further away from winning their first final since 2004.
I also wonder whether the actions of Swans chief executive Tom Harley will make it harder for the two clubs to reach a deal after he spoke so publicly in July of how the Swans had no intention of poaching Daniher and that he was only catching up with Daniher in his role as his mentor.
Bombers chief executive Xavier Campbell must feel let down by his Swans counterpart in Harley, but the Essendon members must also feel let down by their own club. They now face the possibility of losing two quality young players in Daniher and Orazio Fantasia, who is likely to request a trade to Port Adelaide, leaving the club they were once so passionate about.

Woah what a piece.

I haven’t seen toys thrown out of a pram like that in ages.

Does he think what he writes actually matters in negotiations?

I like not getting him this year. Eat that mate.
 

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Last year it was King about Blakey.

This year it’s Lloyd about Daniher.

They really do think the Northern clubs are merely development clubs to sort out what talent is worthy of poaching.


Roosy needs to get his typewriter out
 
Harley is copping it because some people don't like him and when you ask them why they respond with something along the lines of "I just don't". It is a mystery.
If we give up 5 and 9 for a bloke who’s played 11 games that’s a disgrace. We’ve been bent over the trade table since Harley has been at the club. What has he done to improve the clubs list and performance?
 
I dont understand why harley is copping it...hes managed to pry out a league top 5 kpf father son from one the games biggest clubs....massive coup for him

He’s done a good job here

as for as ceo, can never know Really imo,
 
If we give up 5 and 9 for a bloke who’s played 11 games that’s a disgrace. We’ve been bent over the trade table since Harley has been at the club. What has he done to improve the clubs list and performance?
Wow. I didn't realise Harley had done that trade. That's it. I've had enough of him now. I can't believe he did that trade! He is hopeless. Unforgivable.
 
Whaaaaa Lloydy.
Whaaaa!
Finally a little pay back for Ben Doolan.
But it’s okay for Papley to go home without a whimper with years left on his contact and basically according to most media we should just hand him over.
Fracking hypocrisy at its finest. They’re a disgrace.
 
absolutely no chance of rowbottom of florent going. even though you might like to think it sometimes, the recruiters and list managers know what they are doing better than you and I
I'd argue against that across the last few years, I'd back my draft picking over them every day of the week. I'd have taken Constable and Worpel for example and based off my record I'd be doing better than them.
 
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