List Mgmt. 2020 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Bear31]

No way , won’t last

Play vfl first and see what happens

I think we will rookie him.

 

[Bear31]

We're looking to hold onto Pick 3.
Buddy is in the gym already looking to get ready for 2021. He sounds pretty determined.

I've got a good feeling Buddy will play more than half the season.

 

[Troystenvic]

I think we will rookie him.

According to 7 news he toured Carlton's facilities and is having a medical

 

[Kapers]

[/QUOTE]

It’s called an opinion, that’s what forums are for. People are allowed difference of opinion. I said “people are wearing rose coloured glasses” If can’t handle that get a grip mate that’s pathetic. If you’re sick of robust discussion as you say you are then piss off and don’t tag me.

I addressed it in my comment. You were merely the most recent.

Lol to the rest.

 

[Bear31]

He is on to much money i think.

$550,000 per year according to SEN today

 

[brad cooper]

Preuss and hogan help gws no doubt

They've also lost Cameron, Williams, Corr, Caldwell, Hately and Langdon.

Pruess cancels out Jacobs retirement

Hogan has been terrible for 2 seasons.

So all in all I don't think they've improved their list at all.

 

[brad cooper]

Judging by most posters on here atm trade period obviously finished today? I was under the impression it had 2 weeks to go

 

[RobbieK]

They've also lost Cameron, Williams, Corr, Caldwell, Hately and Langdon.

Pruess cancels out Jacobs retirement

Hogan has been terrible for 2 seasons.

So all in all I don't think they've improved their list at all.

As I posted earlier:

In the last four season GWS have lost the following players to other clubs through trade or free agency:

Treloar, Lamb, Phillips, Plowman, Sumner, McCarthy, Steele, Ahern, Stewart, Hoskin-Elliot, Marchbank, Pickett, Smith, Wilson, Kennedy, Setterfield, Scully, Lobb, Shiel, Tomlinson, Patton, Bonar, Corr, Williams

They have already lost a couple of players this off-season as free agents, and also have Cameron wanting to go to Geelong and Hately and Caldwell requesting trades.

On the other hand, we have lost:
Mitchell, Nankervis, Murray, Rohan, Hannebery, Newman, Jones, Cameron

And then you and others on here wonder why GWS is in a position to make more attractive offers to players? They are desperately filling multiple gaps in their best 22 every single season.

GWS have been going backwards every season in the last few. They have lost much more quality than they have brought in.

 

[Punts]

Looks as though hickey on his way with a 3 year deal

 

[Kirkswan]

Wasn’t as dominant as Logan McDonald was in the WAFL. Just held his own (which is still good).

What position is right? Ruck or Fwd?

Not an accumulator.

Injury history - including groin which is a worry.

Thanks... With the Ruck or Fwd thing, isn't that down to where he played in that team, and ultimately the responsibility of that coach? If we took him, and he played to the level of Tippet in 2015/16, would you be happy with that outcome?

History of groin injury might be a significant deterrent... wonder if he'll slide?

And iyo, are any of the top 5 likely to play round 1?

 

[FreeAgent1]

Looks as though hickey on his way with a 3 year deal

I mean I would prefer a 2 year deal.... but I am not mortified as long as its ~$350kish.

I hope we pick up a project ruck as well, the best project rucks being Hayes or CCJ......

 

[Swansujelly]

Hickey not the worst signing if true. 29 but low mileage. If he can walk and chew gum at the same time he will be enough.

 

[Blacky]

Thanks... With the Ruck or Fwd thing, isn't that down to where he played in that team, and ultimately the responsibility of that coach? If we took him, and he played to the level of Tippet in 2015/16, would you be happy with that outcome?

History of groin injury might be a significant deterrent... wonder if he'll slide?

And iyo, are any of the top 5 likely to play round 1?

It is, and he played forward in SANFL predominantly, but he didn’t dominate.

I think if he was peak Tippett you’d take it for sure. Thing is between the injuries and lack of clarity on best position it’s a risk

Hollands if fit plays rd 1

 

[LMFC]

McDonald reminds me of gumbleton in his draft year. Mcdonald and McCartin Could form solid book ends for a decade together.
If bidding permits I would like to see us live swap pick 6 or 7 with Essendon for our first pick next year (which could otherwise go into deficit).
Leave this draft with 2 promising kids, 2 promising academy kids before using the following couple of years to put some bigger experience around them.

 

[Chaisa]

Hopefully we don't pay what certain West Coast fans want for Hickey, lol

 

[ashep]

Judging by most posters on here atm trade period obviously finished today? I was under the impression it had 2 weeks to go

Fair point! I'll happily eat my words if we bring in an impact player

 

[Punts]

Hickey is 30 before the season starts

3 years is to much imo

 

[FreeAgent1]

Hopefully we don't pay what certain West Coast fans want for Hickey, lol

I saw them demanding our pick 24 for him...... with the "he's a contracted and required player" stance. I mean he is ruck insurance, not Lebron.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

McDonald reminds me of gumbleton in his draft year. Mcdonald and McCartin Could form solid book ends for a decade together.
If bidding permits I would like to see us live swap pick 6 or 7 with Essendon for our first pick next year (which could otherwise go into deficit).
Leave this draft with 2 promising kids, 2 promising academy kids before using the following couple of years to put some bigger experience around them.

McDonald played a season in the WAFL seniors & was the leading goal kicker.

No way he’s Gumble-esque.

 

[Bandicoot]

I could always ask Geelong how continually topping up their list with quality senior players helped them just play a GF.

Or I could asked Brisbane how bringing Hodgey, Lachie Neale

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Lachie Neale

Age

32

Ht

177cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

and Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

31

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

into a bottom 4 team has worked out for them.

What about Richmond? Finished 13th and got flogged by 100 in the last round of 2016 then went out and recruited Toby, Prestia and Caddy who each just won their 3rd flag.

Heeney
Mills
Lloyd
Parker
Rampe
Buddy
JPK

All genuine A-graders either in their prime, or on the other side but still good enough to be part of a premiership team.

We should be trying to compete now.

Some are suggesting it's another 5 years before we can contend again whereby it will be after JPK's time together with a few more senior players. These thoughts are coming out solely because of our lack of trading this year.
I don't agree with this personally.
We only have one pick of value this year - 3. From what I have heard of Phillips, he could well be an inside mid bull that will be at the Swans for 10 years or more. All our other picks will will be used up in taking the two academy kids, whom I think would be stupid to say no to. That being said, obviously we will not be a big participant in this year's trade period. How could we be? We've got no picks to trade with.
This time next year is a totally different story. We should be looking at using our round 1 and round 2 picks on trading in the senior players we need most. We should also have the cash up our sleeve to offer huge contracts to whatever free agent we see as a best fit. I see us having a mega influx of senior talent in 2022 enabling us to make a rise such as Brisbane has done recently.
It's just that circumstances being as they are, this is not the year. That doesn't mean that this will always be the case.
As I've said on a few occasions, you don't build a list overnight. For those who have stated that we have been in a rebuild since 2016 and we should be further advanced than where we are, I cannot agree with this. I believe our rebuild started in 2018/19 so waiting until 2022 for our side to be contending again is not too bad imo.
Just let the people who have had us as finalists for 15 of the past 17 years do their job. I have no doubt they know what they are doing.
FWIW - Criticising our list managers for picks who have not become the players we hoped they would is completely unfair. Everyone is wise after the event. Selecting 18 year old footballers and forecasting how good they will be in 5 years time is not an exacting science. If it was, we wouldn't have any rookies turn into club champions/captains.

 

[brad cooper]

McDonald played a season in the WAFL seniors & was the leading goal kicker.

No way he’s Gumble-esque.

Gumbleton was probably the worst kick of a football I've seen for someone taken in the first round.

 

[WillHayward]

Hickey is fairly bad.
But still a walk up start for us.

 

[kickthething]

According to 7 news he toured Carlton's facilities and is having a medical

according to T Browne

 

[kickthething]

Some are suggesting it's another 5 years before we can contend again whereby it will be after JPK's time together with a few more senior players. These thoughts are coming out solely because of our lack of trading this year.
I don't agree with this personally.
We only have one pick of value this year - 3. From what I have heard of Phillips, he could well be an inside mid bull that will be at the Swans for 10 years or more. All our other picks will will be used up in taking the two academy kids, whom I think would be stupid to say no to. That being said, obviously we will not be a big participant in this year's trade period. How could we be? We've got no picks to trade with.
This time next year is a totally different story. We should be looking at using our round 1 and round 2 picks on trading in the senior players we need most. We should also have the cash up our sleeve to offer huge contracts to whatever free agent we see as a best fit. I see us having a mega influx of senior talent in 2022 enabling us to make a rise such as Brisbane has done recently.
It's just that circumstances being as they are, this is not the year. That doesn't mean that this will always be the case.
As I've said on a few occasions, you don't build a list overnight. For those who have stated that we have been in a rebuild since 2016 and we should be further advanced than where we are, I cannot agree with this. I believe our rebuild started in 2018/19 so waiting until 2022 for our side to be contending again is not too bad imo.
Just let the people who have had us as finalists for 15 of the past 17 years do their job. I have no doubt they know what they are doing.
FWIW - Criticising our list managers for picks who have not become the players we hoped they would is completely unfair. Everyone is wise after the event. Selecting 18 year old footballers and forecasting how good they will be in 5 years time is not an exacting science. If it was, we wouldn't have any rookies turn into club champions/captains.

Surely its becoming clear we are rebuilding through the draft

 

[RobbieK]

Surely its becoming clear we are rebuilding through the draft

"Becoming clear"?

It has been the explicit and open policy for a number of years.