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HFF said:
I’d be shocked if anyone bids on Reef in the top 10.
You would need to have either serious balls to play that bluff and be prepared to actually go through with it
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Given majority of recruiters had him around pick 15 last year and his athletic profile gives him very high potential its not a stretch to see him move into Ess pick range of 8 to 10.
 
manicpie said:
We might be prepared to pass on him if essendon bid on him, if we get 9 and he goes before that there are plenty of better players around 9
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If they’re to bid, you’d think it would be at 6... to force a high match from us. No point it being 8, unless they want to swap 6
 
loki04 said:
Maybe he's actually worth a pick in the top 10.

We paid 5 for pendles when the rest of the league had him rated around 16 onward.

You dont get many 2.8 sec 193cm inside capable mid fwd back versatile players every year...
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If combine results were the be all and end all, Joel Wilkinson would be one of the best players of all time.
 

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Apex36 said:
Probably because he’s probably not worth a top 10 pick. They already got burned by trying to dummy bid on Mosquito and the Hawks didn’t match. Particularly if we had pick 9, they’d have to be certain that we would 100% match or they risk losing the kid that they really want. We could quite easily pass if we had pick 9 and a tall like Reid or Cox is still on the board, and then get a Macrae type at our next pick. As much as we want Reef, a tall + mid at 16 is a far better outcome than Reef, (who looks to have the tools but is very much speculative as a mid) and another mid.
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Bombers have three picks in a row though. So if they were to bid on Reef with the first of those three picks (and why wouldnt they do that if indeed they decided to bid at all) , we wont know who they will draft with their following two selections.
 
loki04 said:
Maybe he's actually worth a pick in the top 10.

We paid 5 for pendles when the rest of the league had him rated around 16 onward.

You dont get many 2.8 sec 193cm inside capable mid fwd back versatile players every year...
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All our moves so far hint at him being a pick around 15-20, but I’m with you he projects top 10 to me and I also think people are sleeping on his capacity to fill a KPF role. He’s either 17 or just gone 18 so I’m sure he has further scope to grow to 195cm which would have him as an intriguing KP option. The other is Cox he’s a top 5 prospect all day every day and I bet Hawthorn pull the trigger there.
 
Scodog10 said:
All our moves so far hint at him being a pick around 20, but I’m with you he projects top 10 to me and I also think people are sleeping on his capacity to fill a KPF role. He’s either 17 or just gone 18 so I’m sure he has further scope to grow to 195cm which would have him as an intriguing KP option. The other is Cox he’s a top 5 prospect all day every day and I bet Hawthorn pull the trigger there.
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This has Dodoro putting a bid in written all over it. Then we have to see his smug head while we burn a pick matching.
 
GoldenMagpie16 said:
Pick 16 and a future second-rounder for Pick 22,23 and 40?
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I like this golden magpie, I think there is some really good value in the 15-30 range this year.
I would also look at trading future first and future third to melbourne for 18,19. Rumour has it they are looking to move them for a high pick next year, who knows.
If this could eventuate we would have 14,18,19,22,23,40.
With 14 I would take cook, hits the scoreboard, has class and speed and score involvements. bit of Stevie J about him.
18,19,22,23 Mcinnes, Carroll or powell, then be brave enough to take Baldwin and Callow here as well.
This would leave pick 40 for a small forward.
I don't think we should burn up 2 first rounders trying to move up the board. Im not as sold on the two stick insects as others, Im sure they will probably go
on to be very good players but neither are the strong bodied forwards we need. Cox could get there but will take some time.
Would much rather a Mcinnes,cook,Carroll,baldwin, callow, plus pick 40 type draft then a reid/cox, mcinnes, callow draft.
Clearly there would be points repercussions with diacos, I would look to trade out hosking elliot, thomas, cal brown, possibly sier, maybe even sidebottom to accumulate some points, we could still fall short but would be happy to take a slight deficit into the year after.
Im sure this will send some in here haywire ( the usual suspects), its just a thought/ opinion.
 
THE TOP OF THE CLASS
There is little debate around who the best player in this year’s draft is, with Western Bulldogs Next Generation Academy member Jamarra Ugle-Hagan considered a standout.

The Bulldogs used the trade period to secure some extra draft points, giving them the ability to match an early bid on the key forward who has been likened to a young Lance Franklin.

Ugle-Hagan — who stands 196cm tall and weighs in at 95kg — is a freak athlete who kicked 9.4 in a game for scotch College as a bottom-age player last year and also booted 24 goals from nine NAB League games.

“He is a very special football talent,” one AFL recruiter said.
“We’ve had some really good drafts in recent years including (2018) when the Kings (Max and Ben) got drafted and Bailey Smith and Sam Walsh. Jamarra would have been in contention for No.1 in any of those drafts. That’s how special he is.”

THE POTENTIAL NO.1
Whether Adelaide reads out Jamarra Ugle-Hagan’s name first or not largely doesn’t matter, because the Western Bulldogs will match the bid and secure their Academy star.

So who will the Crows actually get with their No.1 selection?

Riley Thilthorpe looms large – literally.

The 201cm key forward from West Adelaide had a sizzling season in the SANFL, averaging 11.9 disposals, 4.1 marks and kicking five goals across nine games.

A one-time state level ice hockey player, the athletic big man has been labelled “the ultimate football package” who can win the ball both in the air and at ground level.

Being a homegrown talent makes Thilthorpe all the more tempting for the Crows.



THE BOLTER
Another name the Crows are considering reading out at No.1 is Logan McDonald, who has elevated himself from a likely first-round selection to a top-five lock this year.

Unlike draft hopefuls in Victoria, the West Australian was able to play football for Perth in the WAFL this year and grabbed the opportunity with both hands.

He finished the year as the fourth-highest goalkicker in the WAFL with 21 majors from nine games in his debut year of senior football.

“Not too many kids at 18 can go to WAFL level and average two or three goals and take half a dozen marks as a power forward,” former West Coast spearhead and Western Australia under-18 coach Peter Sumich said.

“If you’re talking about a bolter in the top-end, he’s the one.”



THE QUESTION MARK
There are no question marks over Elijah Hollands’ elite talent, but there are always a few over a player coming off a dreaded ACL injury.

Hollands had surgery in early March after rupturing his ACL at training in February, but resumed running in early October and his recovery so far has been “smooth sailing”.

A dynamic forward-midfielder who hopes to become a midfielder-forward at AFL level, the Murray Bushrangers product featured in every game for Vic Country at the 2019 under-18 national championships and also shone brightly in the Under-17 All Stars match on the MCG on AFL Grand Final day with 24 disposals, five clearances and two goals.

“Some clubs might be put off by the fact he’s had a knee injury, but knowing Elijah it’s just a setback that will make him even more determined,” one recruiter said.

“He’ll do the work, he’ll come back, he’ll be fine. He’s an exciting talent.”



THE MATT ROWELL CLONE
He played with Gold Coast midfielder Matt Rowell last year and there are a lot of similarities to be drawn between Will Phillips and the 2019 No.1 draft pick.

“You just watch him go from contest to contest to contest,” former Collingwood recruiter Matt Rendell said of Rowell.

“(He’s like an) Energiser Bunny and he just keeps it going. You don’t see kids like that. There is a kid in this draft like that. There’s another one exactly like him — Will Phillips.”

Considered one of the top midfielders in this year’s draft, prolific ball-winner Phillips averaged 22 disposals, 4.3 clearances, 5.5 score involvements and 103 SuperCoach points across 10 NAB League games last season.

On the big stage in last year’s Grand Final, he also rose to the occasion to kick two goals from 16 disposals.

He won’t go at pick No.1 like Rowell, but lock in Phillips a top-10 selection.


THE ‘TWINKLE-TOES’ ONBALLER
Some recruiters believe Tanner Bruhn has “got the most class” of any small-medium size midfielder in this year’s draft.

Bruhn has also been compared to Richmond captain Trent Cotchin in the way he attacks the football in the contest and breaks through packs.

“I just think he’s got twinkle toes,” one recruiter said.

“I like blokes like that whose feet don’t touch the ground in traffic and they use the ball well. He’s a bit like Cotchin I think on his feet. Scott Pendlebury goes laterally and around in circles just to keep everyone guessing. Cotchin goes through the line of the ball and just keeps going straight. I think Tanner Bruhn does that really well.”

Bruhn managed only a handful of games at the end of last year after the discovery of a right knee issue last January which required surgery and meant a lengthy stint on the sidelines.

But in the final two rounds of the NAB League season for Geelong Falcons he averaged 17 disposals (12 contested), 4.5 inside-50s, five clearances and kicked three goals in a sterling return for a bottom-age player.

He had also been Vic Country’s MVP at the under-16 national championships in 2018.



THE ‘SKINNY’ STAR DEFENDER
The player Denver Grainger-Barras is often compared to — West Coast’s Jeremy McGovern — has 20kg on him.

Grainger-Barras knows he has to put on some weight, but he managed to star playing senior football for Swan Districts in the WAFL this year despite his light frame.

The backman reads the play well and is strong both one-on-one and at floating off opponents and intercepting the ball.

The 18-year-old led the WAFL for average intercept marks (three per game) and intercept possessions (7.4 a game) across eight sizzling outings.

“He showed a lot of talent last year as a 17-year-old and has just kept going,” Western Australia under-18 coach Peter Sumich said.

“He’s one of those rangy kids. His body will mature over coming years no doubt and you put him in an AFL system, he’ll develop his body.

“He’s a top-10 for sure.”

THE ATHLETIC BEAST
Shattering the 2km time-trial record at the AFL draft combine is one way to get noticed by clubs, just as Harry Sharp did in October.

The Greater Western Victoria Rebels wingman clocked a 2km time of 5min 28sec, eclipsing the record that first-year Collingwood midfielder Jay Rantall set at last year’s combine of 5min 50sec.

A junior athletics ace, Sharp won the 2000m Steeplechase event at the under-18 Australian All Schools Championships in Perth last year.

But he is also a serious football talent, and not just because of his running ability.

“He’s an elite athlete but one that can play footy,” GWV Rebels talent manager Phil Partington said.

“He’s put a lot of work in to make sure he’s really strong over the footy now. And he kicks the ball very well as well. The other thing I like about him is he has an elite mindset. That comes from his running so he knows his body really well, his planning, his training regimes. He’s a perfect fit for the AFL.”


THE COMBINE SPEEDSTER
Greater Western Sydney Academy member Godfrey Okerenyang also made an impression at the draft combine, posting the best 20m sprint time of any player outside of Victoria with 2.86 seconds.

Okerenyang, who hails from Wagga Wagga and was the under-18 Australian 100m Champion last year, also topped the table in the running vertical jump from his right leg (92cm) and placed second from his left leg (95cm).

While relatively new to the game and expected to be a long-term project, the 18-year-old is a potentially exciting prospect.

“He’s relatively new to the code with Sudanese heritage but he’s in the GWS Giants Academy as he pursues an AFL dream,” AFL talent ambassador Kevin Sheehan said of Okerenyang.

“Like many aspiring AFL prospects, he’s already an elite talent in another sport.”


THE SMOKY
A name that might not have been heard much in draft discussions this year is Seamus Mitchell, who has been interviewed by every AFL club.

Likened to Carlton defender Zac Williams, the Bendigo Pioneers product has speed to burn, a beautiful kick and strong game sense.

He played just five NAB League games for the Pioneers last year, but has shown enough for AFL clubs to be clamouring for his services.

“He’s an exceptional talent,” Pioneers coach and former GWS development coach Damien Truslove said.

“With his speed and ability, he could play AFL right now.

“He’s very much like Zac Williams. He’s a beautiful kick, just extremely good in game sense situations and training. He’s a level above NAB League.”

Mitchell posted the fourth-fasted 20m sprint time of any Victorian prospect at the draft combine.



THE ACADEMY ACES
This is undoubtedly the most compromised draft in history, with a raft of players already tied to clubs via their academies.

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan is the big one, the Western Bulldogs having first dibs on the wildly-talented key forward.

Sydney has two star Academy members in midfielders Braeden Campbell and Errol Gulden.

Campbell — who was best afield in the Under-17 All Stars game last year — is considered a top-10 pick, with Gulden more likely to hear his name called out in the second round.

Gold Coast has the option to automatically list Academy star Alex Davies before the draft under concessions it received last year, but the big-bodied midfielder is seen as a player who would be a first-round pick on an open market.

The Suns can do the same with Joel Jeffrey, a swingman from Darwin with good marking ability and silky skills.

Other top Academy prospects include Collingwood key defender Reef McInnesand Hawthorn halfback Connor Downie.


THE SONS OF GUNS
There have been suggestions the Rioli in this year’s AFL draft could be the “best of the lot”.

Maurice Rioli Jr is a father-son prospect for Richmond, where his father Maurice Rioli Sr played and his cousin Daniel Rioli remains on the list.

Elijah Hollands is not a father-son prospect for the Tigers, but his dad Ben did play eight games for the club in 1999.

Sandringham Dragons prospect Jake Bowey is a small midfielder whose father Brett Bowey played 85 games for the Saints from 1988-94.



Luke Edwards’ father Tyson Edwards a dual-premiership player and 321-game star at Adelaide, but the Crows have told him he won’t be taken in the national draft under the father-son rule. Despite the setback, Edwards is still hopeful of being picked up by another club or as a rookie.

Cross-town rival Port Adelaide also has a father-son prospect in Taj Schofield, who’s dad Jarrad Schofield was a Power premiership player.

Joel Jeffrey’s father Russell Jeffrey played 42 games for St Kilda and eight games for the Brisbane bears between 1987 and 1992, while Sturt product Tom Powell is the son of former Adelaide player Matthew Powell.

Fellow Sturt product James Borlase is the son of former Port Adelaide player Darryl Borlase, while Northern Knights product Nikolas Cox is the son of former Fitzroy, Brisbane Lions and Melbourne utility Darryl Cox.

THE BROTHERS OF GUNS
It is a stacked draft in terms of brothers of current AFL players who are set to come into the system.

Oliver Henry is the brother of Geelong defender Jack Henry and is considered a top prospect who is similarly athletic, albeit as a forward.

The Falcons also have two other brother of guns in Charlie Ham (the brother of Essendon midfielder Brayden Ham) and Henry Walsh (brother of Carlton midfielder Sam Walsh).

Oakleigh Chargers midfielder Finlay Macrae is considered a first-round draft pick and is the half-brother of Western Bulldogs onballer Jack Macrae.

GWS Academy member Josh Green is also draft eligible, and is the brother of Giants young-gun Tom Green.
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Pie 4 Life said:
I think it’s a must to try and get a top 10 pick. Even if we have to do a deal with the Bombers and then have a handshake not to bid Reef. We will lock in a KPP at the very least. If it means we have to take Reef with our second pick and end up with an extra R2 pick so be it.

Potentially we could cash in say 14 + 2021 R1 for 8. Or if they were being particularly difficult swap a R2 for their R3 next year or something. Though perfect getting another pick in the 20s or early 30s would be good.

So heading in with say 8, 16, 25-35. I think if we can convince the Bombers not to bid we will be safe from a Reef bid before 16. Grab a Reid/Cox then best available with 16 (maybe Chapman or a Cook/Ford, maybe make a bid on an Academy player), then match Reef with that third pick.

Worst case is we still get a bid before 16 for Reef, we match and then pick a Callow or if there’s a slider with the next pick and still walk away with two KPP and Reef.

I really want GC’s pick 5 though more likely they will trade 27 (as they only need one pick). We could certainly get DGB if we get that. Imagine if we could get DGB and Chapman to combine the WA KPDs then match Reef.
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I'll preface this by saying I realise this is unrealistic.

If North would be willing to part with pick 2 for our three 1st rounders, and assuming McDonald makes it past Adelaide, would you consider it?

I feel like it is a massive gamble but if we could get McDonald, Reef and Daicos we get some really high end talent.

If we're shrewd with our other business, for example I like the idea of Ballenden as a DFA and there seems good small forwards late in the draft, we could address a lot of areas of need.

Key position with McDonald/Ballenden, midfield Reef/Daicos and a late draft small forward.
 
I still think we should use trade in a pick (2021 for 2020) and leave it to the draft Gods from there. Three picks in the teens plus Reef. If Reef gets bid earlier than expected then we either pass or accept.

That should leave us with four good players or at worst, three.

Burning two picks to move up the order sounds like a strategy that is fraught with danger.
 

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Timmy from Thomastown said:
Bombers have three picks in a row though. So if they were to bid on Reef with the first of those three picks (and why wouldnt they do that if indeed they decided to bid at all) , we wont know who they will draft with their following two selections.
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If they do bid on him with pick 6 as a genuine dick move then we pass on him. We need quantity as well as quality in this draft and should only be taking him as a late teens pick at best.

I'd be much more content with two picks inside the top 20 (not counting any trade of our 2021 first for another first this year), rather than matching for Reef and getting another pick in the mid 30's.
 
partypie said:
If they do bid on him with pick 6 as a genuine dick move then we pass on him. We need quantity as well as quality in this draft and should only be taking him as a late teens pick at best.

I'd be much more content with two picks inside the top 20 (not counting any trade of our 2021 first for another first this year), rather than matching for Reef and getting another pick in the mid 30's.
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Them using 6 on him, when they rate him number 3 of the blokes they want with their picks is the closest we'll see to a dummy bid. But even the I don't think they'd do it, as they risk losing out on a draft pick trade being offered that they'd value more highly than this pick.
 
partypie said:
If they do bid on him with pick 6 as a genuine dick move then we pass on him. We need quantity as well as quality in this draft and should only be taking him as a late teens pick at best.

I'd be much more content with two picks inside the top 20 (not counting any trade of our 2021 first for another first this year), rather than matching for Reef and getting another pick in the mid 30's.
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This is why I dont want to trade up just to make sure we will get him. The fact that any team has three picks in a row means they will be tempted to bid on players, and Reef might be one of them. We might trade up to try and stop that happening and it happens anyway!!

We should trade in another top 20. That gives us three top 20 picks. If Reef is bid early then we still have the flexibility to match if we want and still have two live picks. But are not obliged and can easily pass and have three live picks!
 
sr36 said:
Them using 6 on him, when they rate him number 3 of the blokes they want with their picks is the closest we'll see to a dummy bid. But even the I don't think they'd do it, as they risk losing out on a draft pick trade being offered that they'd value more highly than this pick.
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If they have 6,7 and 8 it makes no difference to them. They may as well use 6 and make us spend the most points. Its like 2012, we had three in a row, and took Grundy Kennedy and Broomhead. It didnt really matter what order they came in.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
If they have 6,7 and 8 it makes no difference to them. They may as well use 6. Its like 2012, we had three in a row, and took Grundy Kennedy and Broomhead. It didnt really matter what order they came in.
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It makes a difference now that there is in draft trading. If they rate him 3rd on their list, with in draft trading, they may very well get an offer for 7 or 8 that they think presents more value than Reef McInnes, so taking him first of their 3 could cost them.
 

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sr36 said:
It makes a difference now that there is in draft trading. If they rate him 3rd on their list, with in draft trading, they may very well get an offer for 7 or 8 that they think presents more value than Reef McInnes, so taking him first of their 3 could cost them.
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Good point, hadnt considered that

I guess I'm assuming that they want to take their picks to the draft and not trade them. God knows they need the players....
 
Gold Coast only want to use 1 pick - so either 5 or 27 will be on the auction table

you would think GWS would be happy to flip one of their first rounders into next year too

Melbourne supposedly interested in flipping one of 18 and 19 into 2021

Essendon may live trade one of their 3 top 10's if the cards fall a certain way on draft night

Could be a very interesting live trade night
 
sr36 said:
Them using 6 on him, when they rate him number 3 of the blokes they want with their picks is the closest we'll see to a dummy bid. But even the I don't think they'd do it, as they risk losing out on a draft pick trade being offered that they'd value more highly than this pick.
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Agreed.

Even if it were pick 8 they were bidding on him with which would leave us with a pick around 26-28 or thereabouts I'd still pass.
 
Harry O said:
Gold Coast only want to use 1 pick - so either 5 or 27 will be on the auction table

you would think GWS would be happy to flip one of their first rounders into next year too

Melbourne supposedly interested in flipping one of 18 and 19 into 2021

Essendon may live trade one of their 3 top 10's if the cards fall a certain way on draft night

Could be a very interesting live trade night
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GC are looking to trade off 27.
They'll take 5 to the draft
 

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