Mega Thread 2021 Draft

[Lore]

Hey guys, scuse the intrusion. Thought you might like to have this resource on your board (mods might like to sticky):

 

[robbo1981]

What I’m reading is we will take 1 and plus 3 , mumble mumble , then something magical happens, then we have 8 billion.



In reality you’re referencing a trade were we gave up a sought after player and combined multiple first round draft picks to climb from pick 11 to pick 6 and eventually 5.

And that was losing wingard and Polec and we already had an extra second rounder from a previous trade the year before in our draft hand as well.

And we still couldn’t crack the top 1 or 2 draft picks in that draft?

So what players are we trading that are worth high first round draft picks, and what draft picks are going to nab pick 1 if we couldn’t do it with one of the deepest draft hands we’ve ever had considering we go into this draft with 1 first rounder and late picks (our 2nd is already gone in a trade last year)

If we had pick 1, what player would we want for it? We would want a young superstar, like a butters.

Yeah we know were you sit

 

[philthy05]

Yeah we know were you sit

On the side of reality.

Right now what port players would I trade pick 1 to obtain if we didn’t have them?

Butters, and only if he clears a medical….

That’s it.

I’m not even trading pick 1 for rozee right now. Georgiades? Top 5 yes, 1? No. Wines? Hell No. Houston ? Not even close.

Horne has port connections through family and trained with us (or will train with us). Hopefully we can lure him back to us after he gets drafted.

Thinking that we can magically trade into pick 1 (when was the last time pick 1 was traded?) is fantasy.

I would rather focus on what we can do in this draft ie add jase Burgoyne and other talents than what we can’t do.. which is magic.

 

[robbo1981]

On the side of reality.

Right now what port players would I trade pick 1 to obtain if we didn’t have them?

Butters, and only if he clears a medical….

That’s it.

I’m not even trading pick 1 for rozee right now. Georgiades? Top 5 yes, 1? No. Wines? Hell No. Houston ? Not even close.

Horne has port connections through family and trained with us (or will train with us). Hopefully we can lure him back to us after he gets drafted.

Thinking that we can magically trade into pick 1 (when was the last time pick 1 was traded?) is fantasy.

I would rather focus on what we can do in this draft ie add jase Burgoyne and other talents than what we can’t do.. which is magic.

No one said we could magically get pick 1 but worth a discussion hypothetical trades make up a big part of this forum.

 

[Portology]

No one said we could magically get pick 1 but worth a discussion hypothetical trades make up a big part of this forum.

a good hypothesis is something that might just possibly be able to be tested in a reality shared by more than one independent observer

trading for pick 1 on the other hand...

 

[Revan11]

Collingwoods (now GWS) pick 3-5 is the target if we want to move up. Target an area of need for GWS. Would need to package our first (or future first) and Ladhams, or potentially Marshall too. A top 5 mid would be worth it especially since we have Hayes.

 

[davesnothere]

Horne goes to North. If he has character he will give them 100 games before he considers a transfer and that's the way it goes. We just don't give him any consideration for another 5-6 years.

 

[philthy05]

Collingwoods (now GWS) pick 3-5 is the target if we want to move up. Target an area of need for GWS. Would need to package our first (or future first) and Ladhams, or potentially Marshall too. A top 5 mid would be worth it especially since we have Hayes.

I fully agree that a top mid would be an ideal draft target and picking up one in the top 5 would be the place to get one of the quality we need.

In 2018 we traded pick 11, 23 and 30 (and some other late picks but they pretty well evened out with what came back) for pick 6.

We currently have picks 14, 58, 64, 69.

So to even make a remotely similar pitch we would have to delve into our future 2nd and trade a player whose worth around a 2nd (Marshall / ladhams / Hayes)

I would hate to trade those players for this return. We hurt another future draft hand.

And that would give us 14, future 2nd (30something likely) and player

Which is less attractive than the 11, 23 and 30 that we used last time to trade up.

No chance we get the gws (pies pick) which will be around pick 3-5. Gws needs fewer high picks not to trade down and get more picks. Don’t see us getting a top 5 pick with that ha anyway. Reckon saints / dons / Richmond / freo would be our only chances and that’s picks 6- 13 ish and reckon it’s the back end of that lot, and by then I don’t think it’s worth it.

I think as long as our first is going to come before a jase bid then we sit tight picks wise. Getting a first plus jase is a great outcome.

Unfortunately we will likely have to go a bit into deficit for jase.

 

[philthy05]

I actually think we’re pretty damn well set already for this draft if current perception that jase will get a bid after our first rounder is accurate.

Getting a first rounder + jase then drafting a flyer at the end of the draft is pretty good really. We could also trade back into the mid or late end of the 2021 draft after paying for jase by trading a future 2nd / 3rd / 4th rounder if a slider is there that we like.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Assuming we do go on to win the flag (thus assuming the lowest draft picks) we’d have 18 (taking out FS picks).

Then assuming the same next year and our future first is also 18.

Those two picks we would be short pick 17 on points alone and we know you need to pay overs to move up the draft order.

We have just seen that we are reluctant to trade either of our young rucks, so the obvious players might be Marshall and Drew.

Is 18, 18, Marshall and Drew enough to get pick 1 from North in a straight trade? Probably not but if there were clubs out there really keen on those players then it’s possible that we could trade them separately to then position us to have a shot at pick 1.

18 & Marshall and 18 & Drew might get us 2 picks inside the top 10 which can then be packaged together for pick 1. Again, alone that might not be enough so there is probably the need to then further sweeten the deal.

 

[Long live PAFC]

I’m not 100% that Horne goes number one. He has the talent and probably should but who knows quite how it plays out yet. If I’m north I’m ask GWS for their two picks to hasten the rebuild.

I wouldn’t worry too much about Horne. He is a good lad and very family orientated. I suspect he’ll want to be close to home and we could get him in a couple of years. That being said, he wants to be a champion and so won’t mind heading elsewhere to get there.

What about Wanganeen? Where do we think he falls?

Thoughts on Mac Andrews and the remaining talls?

Who do we think will be around that 12-18 mark for us?


My read on the draft, thus far, is that it seems even and midfield heavy. We haven’t seen as much of the vic players so there is a chance to get a bargain. It does seem like you’re in as good a position at 8-22, in terms of getting access to a good player.

 

[davesnothere]

Nasiah Wanganeen would be a nice back end pick up for mine. Only watched him a couple of times but what’s the story with Isaiah Dudley?
He reads pretty well?

 

[Macca19]

Mac Andrew is good, but will go to Melbourne

 

[Macca19]

Nasiah Wanganeen would be a nice back end pick up for mine. Only watched him a couple of times but what’s the story with Isaiah Dudley?
He reads pretty well?

Dudley is very good, but hes a garden gnome. And he’s Adelaide nga linked so will end up there

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[philthy05]

Hornes is going pick 1 (barring a bid on daicos)

I would bet money on it.


Wanganeen is very interesting. I haven’t watched enough to place what he will be. Doesn’t really make sense for us, he’s a winger (atm) and we’re picking up jase and already have a few wings.

Haven’t watched many Vic prospects at all this year. People love Andrews tho. Melb nga linked. Sounds like high risk reward type.

There’s a bunch of talls people seem to like that won’t go super early (yet). Wa have a bunch of them (as usual). We should pick whichever one starts attracting weird negative press / go-home noise and seems like sliding. Can we get a pick before west coast?

Dudley is exciting for crows fans. Moves like a mid, built like a small forward. Crows will find a way to get him the 23 guernsey.

Matty Roberts is the exact midfielder we need to complement what we have but will go earlier than our pick.

 

[all seeing eye]

Reckon it will come down to these 2 as our first choice - assume we are going for the best available mid. Matty Roberts will go to the crows if available.
Matthew Johnson
A tall, ball winning midfielder at 192cm, Johnson combines ball winning capabilities with composure, class and evasion in traffic. Johnson plays a style of football that follows the Pendlebury mould, sharing many of the same rare gifts for a tall midfielder. By hand and foot, Johnson is an effective user of the football, displaying vision on his kicks, lowering his eyes to find leading targets inside-50m and making sound decisions in traffic with ball in hand. Johnson enjoys the hard components of the game, winning a high proportion of his ball in contested situations and connecting on his tackles. With Johnson's first two WAFL Colts games quieter than expected, he has dropped below some of the others who are in the early draft conversation, though the strength of his WAFL League debut on the weekend ensures he holds his spot inside the top seven.
Hugh Jackson
A classy midfielder, Jackson is averaging 33 disposals through his first five SANFL Under-18 matches this season. Jackson possesses good skills, moves well and has developed a strong contested side to his game this year after playing a more outside style of game previously. His skills by hand and foot stand out in traffic and he makes sound decisions under pressure while on the outside he's just as damaging. His kicking inside-50m is among the best in the pool with how he places his kicks out in front of the leading targets.

 

[Coobk001]

Reckon it will come down to these 2 as our first choice - assume we are going for the best available mid. Matty Roberts will go to the crows if available.
Matthew Johnson
A tall, ball winning midfielder at 192cm, Johnson combines ball winning capabilities with composure, class and evasion in traffic. Johnson plays a style of football that follows the Pendlebury mould, sharing many of the same rare gifts for a tall midfielder. By hand and foot, Johnson is an effective user of the football, displaying vision on his kicks, lowering his eyes to find leading targets inside-50m and making sound decisions in traffic with ball in hand. Johnson enjoys the hard components of the game, winning a high proportion of his ball in contested situations and connecting on his tackles. With Johnson's first two WAFL Colts games quieter than expected, he has dropped below some of the others who are in the early draft conversation, though the strength of his WAFL League debut on the weekend ensures he holds his spot inside the top seven.
Hugh Jackson
A classy midfielder, Jackson is averaging 33 disposals through his first five SANFL Under-18 matches this season. Jackson possesses good skills, moves well and has developed a strong contested side to his game this year after playing a more outside style of game previously. His skills by hand and foot stand out in traffic and he makes sound decisions under pressure while on the outside he's just as damaging. His kicking inside-50m is among the best in the pool with how he places his kicks out in front of the leading targets.

lol, wishful thinking. We'll find a flanker of some kind to spend our pick on.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Hugh Jackson makes me think of HugeJohnson

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

A 52-player Torrens University SA U19 squad has been released in the lead up to a selection trial match to be played at Thebarton Oval on July 16.

SANFL Head of Talent Brenton Phillips and Torrens University SA U19 coach Tony Bamford joined forced with AFL scouts from Adelaide, Port Adelaide, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs to finalise those set to line up in the internal clash.
Speaking on SANFL Radio, Bamford said the match would be used as a guide to then trim the squad down to 35 players for the second phase of the U19 program throughout July and August.
This will include SA’s first two matches against the Allies at Hisense Stadium on Saturday July 24 and WA in Perth on Saturday August 7.

Players will then be released back to their SANFL clubs for the rest of the season before a final squad is selected for the last two matches to be played across the border against Victoria Country on Friday September 24 and Victoria Metro on Tuesday September 28.
As many as 12 U19 players have been listed in the initial squad, including Norwood’s Henry Nelligan, Sturt’s Mani Liddy and Glenelg’s Cooper Horsnell, who have all featured in the Statewide Super League this season.
Talented Panthers trio Jason Horne, Matthew Roberts and Arlo Draper are all present, together with Port Adelaide father-son prospect Jase Burgoyne, from Woodville-West Torrens and Adelaide Next Generation Academy player Blayne O’Loughlin, from North Adelaide.

Phase 1 Torrens University SA U19 Squad Announced - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Jase 26 possessions and a goal. Most for WWT.

 

[Saintsone]

There are a number of prospects who miss out on the father-son rule. ... Daniel Motlop's son Jesse won't qualify for Port Adelaide as he didn't reach 100 games, although the highly rated talent may be eligible for Fremantle's Next Generation Academy.

Neither will Sam Breuer, the son of former Cat and Power player Shayne, who was Port's first ever goalkicker in the AFL.

I reckon the cats would be dissapointed not a father son. Braining them the last two weeks for GWV rebels since move into the middle the last two weeks. 65 possessions in the last two weeks, doesn’t waist the footy and can kick goals. Will be quickly moving up the draft boards and one to watch.

 

[It Just Is]

Is the Miller Bergman in this draft any relation to Miles?

A couple of Miles Bergman’s would be very handy.

 

[philthy05]

Is the Miller Bergman in this draft any relation to Miles?

A couple of Miles Bergman’s would be very handy.

Both Dandenong stingrays so gonna say yeah.

 

[It Just Is]

Both Dandenong stingrays so gonna say yeah.

Same heigh and player description on draft central too. Can’t all be coincidence!

One to watch closely at the Champs.

 

[davesnothere]

Can only find Blake as a brother for Miles but Miles and Miller that’s worth having anyway. Miller does find the ball and can play.