AFL talks about equality

[Gough]

Playing to lose can become habit forming, even years down the track.

 

[Rob]

You'd have to say that GWS v Adelaide is a clear 2nd best match of the round next week too.

I guess watching Carlton get fustigated by a middle of the road team will also be fun on Friday night. Equality FTW!

 

[Redeye Rambler]

What other sports league has ever manufactured teams like this? I doubt you would find any.

I'm struggling to find any that don't.

Every professional sport in Australia "manufactures" teams as a mechanism of expanding. Sometimes it is done by the league accepting a individual/groups plan or sometimes it is the league putting together the club structure themselves. Cricket, Soccer, Rugby Union, Rugby League, basketball etc have all planned new teams and given a group a mechanism to put together a team.

Even in the AFL it has been a regular thing. After AFL became professional ALL teams joining were given concessions. Adelaide, Port Adelaide, West Coast, Brisbane, Gold Coast & GWS were planned under the guidance of the AFL and given concessions to build a team.

 

[telsor]

Sure is geography BUT, IF you want equality, not just money, travel is demonstrably inequitable.

If it's a disadvantage for you to travel 10 times, then it's an even greater advantage to have teams travel to you 10 time as they'll be less used to it. Feel free to give up one of your home games to make it less uneven.

 

[telsor]

Reading between the lines it sounds like Victorian teams can't sustain themselves when their performances drop. Welcome to the AFL ladies.

1. Freo
2. West Coast
3. Sydney
4. Adelaide
5. GWS

Wonder how sustainable Sydney would be if the AFL ever let them sink down the ladder. Currently they artificially boost you to stay top-4, and you're barely break even.

 

[Ron The Bear]

We need all the help we can get to get started people just don't love AFL like they do in VIC, WA or SA.

But they'll love it as long as the team is winning? Perhaps you shouldn't have a team to represent you.

 

[fishardansin]

Really? After what your club did you put your hand up for the bombers to go? Thats highly generous

Essendon, Collingwood, Richmond and Carlton are economically viable even when they're rubbish on the field. That's exactly what you want in the league to allow the AFL to spend on grass roots expansion, which will be more sustainable then creating a team with easy success which will only develop fair weather supporters.

Essendon started the modernisation of the AFL with Sheedy's marketing of the game and move to MCG. It fell away under the tighness of Peter Jackson. In this time Collingwood, Geelong and Hawthorn have filled the breach. Hawthorn being in the league also ticks off the games in Tassie box.

The other clubs can be part of the state league with TAC cups attached. Add a couple of VFL sides and give country TAC cup sides seniors and away we go.

With 33% of the current AFL being delisted there should be some cash thrown at them to go into NEAFL clubs. That is also where the AFL should throw money at novelty players, rather than Falou and Hunt in AFL. Say a Matty Johns retires around 28, throw some cash at him to play NEAFL and get into the news. Create junior footy leagues that are super easy and free. For example build a bunch of grounds together so all games are always at the same spot.

What the AFL has done now will be a costly mistake. It will not build sustainable success in those markets. It will cost a lot of money and turn a lot of traditional fans away.

 

[Cmarsh]

Bit rich of the OP to deride GWS as having no one care about them when 16k turn up to their own home game with 16 premierships in the cupboard.

If that game was at Spotless yesterday we would have gone close to beating that figure.

 

[Redeye Rambler]

As for your title "AFL talks about equality", is untrue.

AFL talks about equalisation. The works are similar, but in this situation, have vastly differing meanings.
AFL and the clubs in it, realise that it is in the best interests of the game to ensure all teams are competitive and have a reasonable chance to build towards winning a premiership. EQUALISATION for the AFL is an attempt to make clubs more even (not equal). They do this by limiting the dominance of the strong clubs (later picks in the draft, salary cap, footy spending tax etc) and giving assistance to weaker clubs to improve(early draft picks, financial assistance)

It's unrealistic and undesirable to have all clubs EQUAL (same income, same location, equal members, shared sponsorship, equal teams), but equalisation is to make the league closer to even.

 

[Colonial]

Essendon, Collingwood, Richmond and Carlton are economically viable even when they're rubbish on the field. That's exactly what you want in the league to allow the AFL to spend on grass roots expansion, which will be more sustainable then creating a team with easy success which will only develop fair weather supporters.

Essendon started the modernisation of the AFL with Sheedy's marketing of the game and move to MCG. It fell away under the tighness of Peter Jackson. In this time Collingwood, Geelong and Hawthorn have filled the breach. Hawthorn being in the league also ticks off the games in Tassie box.

The other clubs can be part of the state league with TAC cups attached. Add a couple of VFL sides and give country TAC cup sides seniors and away we go.

With 33% of the current AFL being delisted there should be some cash thrown at them to go into NEAFL clubs. That is also where the AFL should throw money at novelty players, rather than Falou and Hunt in AFL. Say a Matty Johns retires around 28, throw some cash at him to play NEAFL and get into the news. Create junior footy leagues that are super easy and free. For example build a bunch of grounds together so all games are always at the same spot.

What the AFL has done now will be a costly mistake. It will not build sustainable success in those markets. It will cost a lot of money and turn a lot of traditional fans away.

Ahhh so your all for killing of others clubs

Funny how that always works.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Sure is geography BUT, IF you want equality, not just money, travel is demonstrably inequitable.

In the premier league there are a lot of london teams yet the teams out of london dont complain about this.

Your club is free to either move itself to melbourne if travel is such a big deal.

 

[Colonial]

In the premier league there are a lot of london teams yet the teams out of london dont complain about this.

Your club is free to either move itself to melbourne if travel is such a big deal.

Going on that theory.
A benefit of being in the north is academies.
If you want that benefit move north.

 

[telsor]

Going on that theory.
A benefit of being in the north is academies.
If you want that benefit move north.

And not having to worry about fans/finances because you know the AFL will always throw more money at you.
And a bigger salary cap (NSW only).
And having the AFL paying to promote your club and develop kids for you to take the cream when you claim them as part of your 'academy'.

 

[Colonial]

And not having to worry about fans/finances because you know the AFL will always throw more money at you.
And a bigger salary cap (NSW only).
And having the AFL paying to promote your club and develop kids for you to take the cream when you claim them as part of your 'academy'.

Yep. So move north

 

[VFL13]

AFL will always look after the code at the expense of some clubs, and always will unless private ownership comes in.

 

[falcons2]

This time last year Goldcoast were where GWS are now at 5 and 2. Good luck to them. Any success up there will come from good recruiting and player development. Pointing fingers at equality from a Carlton supporter is ridiculous. So many top draft picks and favourable fixtures its not funny and Carlton stuffed it up. Now you sook because others are taking their opportunity.
Next I'll read Carlton are a proud club. Then I'll spew up.

For as long as I can remember my perception has been, Carlton was about individuals and not a team. They got away with it last century but this century it wont work.
When they admit this, things might improve.

 

[telsor]

Yep. So move north

Yeah, good idea, let's cut one of the clubs that increases the income of the competition and create another club leeching on the AFL teat.

 

[Colonial]

Yeah, good idea, let's cut one of the clubs that increases the income of the competition and create another club leeching on the AFL teat.

So dont complain.

 

[telsor]

So dont complain.

At what, having the competition perverted or the buckets of money being sent north for no apparent use?

I'm not sure how thinking moving Richmond north is a bad idea affects either of those.

 

[telsor]

No apparent use?

I think your missing your dummy. Your dribbling again

30 years up there, hundreds of millions spent, competition perverted and apparently there is such a lack of support that even more help is required to deal with the hostile territory and generate some fans.

If it's still so bad, what use has it been? If it's not, why do you need more and more help?

 

[TooUglyForFugly]

Ahhh so your all for killing of others clubs

Funny how that always works.

If any club needs killing off ...

As for the Carlton sook ... how many bs Fridays do you get in the names of equality and merit?

 

[coniglio_number1]

30 years? We are 4 years old. Take that complaint to the swans, we have done a mountain of work in the community in nsw

 

[PP34]

I'm struggling to find any that don't.

Every professional sport in Australia "manufactures" teams as a mechanism of expanding. Sometimes it is done by the league accepting a individual/groups plan or sometimes it is the league putting together the club structure themselves. Cricket, Soccer, Rugby Union, Rugby League, basketball etc have all planned new teams and given a group a mechanism to put together a team.

Even in the AFL it has been a regular thing. After AFL became professional ALL teams joining were given concessions. Adelaide, Port Adelaide, West Coast, Brisbane, Gold Coast & GWS were planned under the guidance of the AFL and given concessions to build a team.

Care to name these teams?

The NFL sure as hell doesn't and it's one of the most equal leagues in existence.

The NBA does not, nor does the EPL (cash just reigns supreme there).

 

[Blueyboy74]

Reading between the lines it sounds like Victorian teams can't sustain themselves when their performances drop. Welcome to the AFL ladies.

1. Freo
2. West Coast
3. Sydney
4. Adelaide
5. GWS

Yeah Richmond has 70,000 members after 30 years of crapness. Sydney wouldn't even exist after such a drought (just like South Melbourne). When you guys start standing on your own two feet with no academies, no zone concessions, no AFL subsidies and an equal salary cap then you can start beating your chest.

 

[Colonial]

Yeah Richmond has 70,000 members after 30 years of crapness. Sydney wouldn't even exist after such a drought (just like South Melbourne). When you guys start standing on your own two feet with no academies, no zone concessions, no AFL subsidies and an equal salary cap then you can start beating your chest.

Ok stand alone with no derbies every 5 mins