Autopsy Autopsy vs WBD

[the big lebowski]

Would anyone have the average age of players for both teams last night?

And how does this compare to previous rounds?

Please and thank you

 

[BlueanWhiteKanga]

Would anyone have the average age of players for both teams last night?

And how does this compare to previous rounds?

Please and thank you

I think it was 26 for the Dogs, 24 to us.

Or 24 to the dogs, 22 to us.

I recall seeing it on the big screen and there was a 2 year difference between the teams

 

[Skarrz]

Why does dinkers Daniel take 20 years to kick the ball when he’s doing kickoits while every other player/team moves the ball on quickly so the opposition don’t have time to set up?

 

[BlueanWhiteKanga]

Their goals seemed to come easily, and we had to work hard for ours.

The amount of times we'd see English in acres of space was atrocious.

Less said about the umpiring the better. We'd have lost regardless, but jeez... if these guys are getting AFL gigs, I'd hate to see the state of the state league umpires.

First half was a really good watch. We gifted them a quick lead, but ended up winning the first. We were proper in the fight in the 2nd. Once LDU went off, we seemed to go flat.

And then as we did against Collingwood, come part way through the 3rd, it all fell to pieces.

They were the better team and deserved the win.

Time for a decent break, regroup, hopefully rest the niggles and come out roaring against the Dees.

 

[Passmore]

Why does dinkers Daniel take 20 years to kick the ball when he’s doing kickoits while every other player/team moves the ball on quickly so the opposition don’t have time to set up?

'Cos it's bloody hard to see over the blades of grass...

 

[William Caresser]

I agree.... But....when we initially tried this under Clarko our skills are so poor we kept turning it over and getting 80-100pt floggings.

Need to get better skills.

Agree, definitely need to improve skills.

The Will Dawson play - immediate, long kick to a 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 in the corridor was a roll of the dice, high risk-reward but at least didn't require a finesse kick. Just someone who could kick it 55-60 metres and move it straight away. And the way we played in the last quarter against Freo - handball chains and overlap run from half back - also the way Collingwood carved us up in the second half - wouldn't require the finesse kick we're incapable of.

The problem with Daniel having so much of it is he either turns it over or runs around in circles for 5 seconds and then barely kicks it 40 metres to congestion.

 

[giantroo]

lol

 

[Tas]

The highlight for me was after three years of knob polishing Pagan comes in for 5 seconds and calls their effort against Hawthorn soft.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Why does dinkers Daniel take 20 years to kick the ball when he’s doing kickoits while every other player/team moves the ball on quickly so the opposition don’t have time to set up?

I’m guessing he doesn’t see much as good targets moving in front of him. And because it’s so slow, even it gets hoofed long that’s given Lobb or someone time to get in position to intercept (after Larkey got injured and that magic contested mark game fell away). The opposition’s inside 50/time in forward half gets so inflated by the turnovers and repeat entries, if we could improve this part of our game everything would get so much better.

 

[Moti]

We looked so much slower than WB across the ground, but particularly on the spread.

Are all our players that much slower or are our fumbles and poor skills making it look like we're slower?

There are a couple of points here:

1. Yes we appear to have less players who have or use strong speed. Hardeman, Colby and RHJ have good top-end speed, LDU and Wardlaw have the explosive pace.

2. Most other mids (and I have taken 5 weeks off watching North and watched a lot of other teams) at least have solid speed so they can accelerate away and have 5-10m to settle before disposing. Our mids seem to have below average speed and thus have only up to 5m of space before disposing. It was clear against the Hawks mids who aren't necessarily fast but can accelerate out of traffic well and open up their running when needed. It also means they look like they are jogging when chasing when they are in fact running near top speed.

3. Alot of of our players are tentative into contests. I am not saying they are "squibs" but they play like ball winners that expect their football nous to get them the ball. It works in the Under 18's, but not in the AFL unless you are exceptional like Pendles. Newcombe runs into contests with intent, runs into space with intent, very few of our guys do.

4. Poor skills definitely slows our ability to make chains, but also our forwards rarely present well so we have to do a lot of second-guessing with ball in hand. When you have confidence across the team, decisions are quicker, positioning is better and the results come.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

lol

My partner texted me from home after seeing this on tv - it was a popular moment.

 

[ChopChopDigDig]

Hoyne from Champion Data said a few weeks back that we are the slowest to dispose of the ball in D-50 and kick it sideways and long, essentially with the most hang time. Only Essendon was close. He and King described what we see every week - the ball moves at snail's pace and the opposition has time to set up and so we can't get it out of our back half.

Last night we lost the inside 50s 43-65 but won the clearances - a regular occurrence this year. As usual, lots of repeat entries from the opposition after lots of slow, sideways ball movement or shallow kicks to a contest from us from D-50. We've seen it all year.

So when in Q1, Dawson immediately and instinctively kicked it 60 metres up the centre from deep in defence (after Stephens' did enough to spoil) it was highly unusual, but we kicked our 5th goal. Later in the game Zurhaar - unusually rebounding back in D-50 - also moved the ball fast through the corridor and we kicked a goal.

We have to start moving the ball immediately and more directly from back there, a lot more often.

Give the kick ins to hardeman and we get that. At least he can kick it 60m to the wing. Multiple times last night he gave the short kick then ran hard for the handball receive, bringing the ball to the forward flank.

Instead, we give it to Daniel to kick in, who kicks it sideways 15m to the pocket, plays on and kicks it 10m for play on, kicks it 15m to one of our back-men bad kickers to clear, kicks to someone under intense pressure, or 'boots' it a whopping 40m to their 50m arc for an easy rebound.

Freaking braindead. Daniel should be the second kick in those plays - the kick that opens up the ground - not the short or dump kick after a behind.

 

[scottywiper]

I am not going to comment on talent because I think it's the emotion talking for you, which is normal after a couple of heavy losses. But when you cool down you will realise that no club has a 23 full of top talent.

We really don't. Who are players who have shown they could absolutely play finals and excel?
Xerri Sheezel Curtis LDU McKercher Larkey Zurhaar, and then potentially Comben Wardlaw O'Sullivan Hardeman. And several of them have question marks (LDU kicking, Sheezel lacks a yard of pace, McKercher decision making, Wardlaw injuries and kicking, Comben made of paper)
We should have a swag of genuine A graders from all our early picks. We have some but have zigged when we should have zagged too often.

 

[Ischenko]

Disco had to go and did.

has really grown this year.

I cannot recall him not going this year. For all the swirling doubt around Clarko for me the success of Stephens is a huge indicator that he knows what he is doing.

Also it is obvious that our VFL program is being run well, as Dawson, Scott, Harvey and Maley all played their role and took the game on. Things like this are why I remain positive: think back three years ago when our bottom 6 included the likes of Lachie Young, Atu and Mahoney.

Now it's Scott, RJH, Philips, Harvey, Fisher etc. Anyway. We're getting better.

 

[The Anvil]

It was heard loud and clear!

This was the statement piece to how umpiring was done the whole night.

Out of curiosity, has anyone seen so many out of bounds calls in a single game (even across both teams although in this case they were all against us)?

 

[scottywiper]

Less said about the umpiring the better. We'd have lost regardless, but jeez... if these guys are getting AFL gigs, I'd hate to see the state of the state league umpires.

Did you see the footage during the week of the bloke taking a hanger over Travis Cloke, and it being paid high contact for the knee to back of the head??? Christ on a bike.

 

[Clarke is King]

LDU being out hurts a lot but our midfield in general is way too slow, and the fact that LDU is actually slow when it comes to defensive actions means he’s part or the problem.

IMO we desperately need LDU to improve his defensive work, George to improve his offensive work and Kerch to become part of the midfield rotations (obviously with some development in offense and defense)

Powell and Simpkin are so slow that they are defensive liabilities even when they do put the effort in.

Winning clearances isn’t the whole equation when it comes to the midfield battle - it’s the spread that kills us.

 

[Snowy off the Tram]

Our biggest issue. Thank **** we picked up Hardeman.

Very hard for us to transition from defence to attack most games.

Need a replacement for Kerch down back.

But Hardeman can’t kick it either. Turns it over as often as Daniel. Flawed kicking style which simply doesn’t stand up when he needs to find a target under pressure. There’s honestly about 8 players on the list with the same problem. Which is why we concede more goals from turnovers in defence than anyone.

 

[Event Horizon]

We looked so much slower than WB across the ground, but particularly on the spread.

Are all our players that much slower or are our fumbles and poor skills making it look like we're slower?

Yeah, one of the thoughts I had was we should target some of their recruiting people or scouts, not necessarily to replace Thursfield but to help him

 

[Its a Process]

This was the statement piece to how umpiring was done the whole night.

Out of curiosity, has anyone seen so many out of bounds calls in a single game (even across both teams although in this case they were all against us)?

I reckon there was one of the more blatant 50's missed in the 3rd quarter, I think Finbar took a mark on centre wing and a doggies player knocked it obviously late. The non-decision was compounded when Doggies took it up the other end and scored a goal.

Umps didn't have a good night last night.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Would anyone have the average age of players for both teams last night?

And how does this compare to previous rounds?

Please and thank you

Average Attributes​
North Melbourne	Attribute	Western Bulldogs
186.9cm	Height	190.3cm
83.1kg	Weight	87.9kg
23yr 6mth	Age	26yr 5mth
66.7	Games	115.0
Total Players By Games​		`
North Melbourne	Games	Western Bulldogs
11	Less than 50	7
6	50 to 99	4
4	100 to 149	3
1	150 to 200	4
1	200 or more	4

 

[The Anvil]

I reckon there was one of the blatant 50's missed in the 3rd quarter, I think Finbar took a mark on centre wing and a doggies player knocked it obviously late. The non-decision was compounded when Doggies took it up the other end and scored a goal.

Umps didn't have a good night last night.

I clearly remember the crowd in the Social Club bay losing their collective minds when that happened.

 

[Loose_Cannon]

Average Attributes​
North Melbourne	Attribute	Western Bulldogs
186.9cm	Height	190.3cm
83.1kg	Weight	87.9kg
23yr 6mth	Age	26yr 5mth
66.7	Games	115.0
Total Players By Games​		`
North Melbourne	Games	Western Bulldogs
11	Less than 50	7
6	50 to 99	4
4	100 to 149	3
1	150 to 200	4
1	200 or more	4

That's such a balanced age/experience profile the Dogs have. Enough old heads to steer the ship, enough youth to keep the energy up but not too much that when the kids get tired there's no run.

 

[Karanicolas]

I think he needs to show some intent.

It may be that as well. But for that, I think you need to feel like you belong at the level.

You can see McKercher now feels that, which is why he is taking the game and players on more.

You can tell Cooper already feels that - helps having Boomer as your father.

It is why I would try to play Duursma as much as possible in the seniors.

 

[FlyHigh18]

So many sooking about the Thursday night. It’s a prime time slot on tv and we need the viewership numbers. I only wish they could have seen us win. It’s not like we get many FTA games let alone Thursday/friday night.