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[1990crow]

Could Otten play FB? Strength could be an issue, but he has a good spoil.


Truck was woefull. Needs to find form and dominate the SANFL for a few weeks.

Don't think it will happen. If he gets dropped he would have a very tough time getting back in and that would be the end.

 

[Geoffa32]

Don't think it will happen. If he gets dropped he would have a very tough time getting back in and that would be the end.

I am thinking more Rutten should be given a spell to find form. He needs games under his belt, and it costs us too much finding form with us at AFL level. Truck is a senior player, but he is the kind of guy who needs games to get form, and thus should have played a lot more in the NAB cup IMO.


Bit like Fast Bowlers needing to bowl a lot of overs to get rythym. Hence rotating them is not working for Australia.........

 

[TheMightyCrow]

I am thinking more Rutten should be given a spell to find form. He needs games under his belt, and it costs us too much finding form with us at AFL level. Truck is a senior player, but he is the kind of guy who needs games to get form, and thus should have played a lot more in the NAB cup IMO.


Bit like Fast Bowlers needing to bowl a lot of overs to get rythym. Hence rotating them is not working for Australia.........

Rutten dropped to the SANFL in Round 2? You've got to be kidding me. He's the most senior player in our backline, we need to him, in form or not it will come.

 

[Mismatched]

I think one of the big issues re Jenkins is that our coaching staff have subbed him, "like for like" for Tippett and assumed we'll be fine. When in fact they're not like for like. Walker needs support and we're naive to think that a 12 game basketball convert can provide it alone, especially against a back line that has Fletcher as 3rd tall.

I also agree with the thought that Jenkins is more a tall flanker. That's not to say he doesn't have a place in our side, only that we need another tall up front to provide support to Walker, be it McKernan, Johnston or even Lynch.

Personally, whilst I like to see us back guys in to turn around one bad performance, I think our structure and make up of our side was all wrong. We saw outside run as a weakness, so just filled our side with outside runners, in the process limiting our greatest strength, in contested footy.

B: Johncock - Rutten - Reilly
HB: Otten - Talia - Tambling (Brown)
C: Mackay - Danger - Sloane
HF: Vince - Jenkins - Porplyzia
F: McKernan - Walker - Petrenko
1R: Jacobs - Thompson - Wright
I: Henderson - van Berlo - Douglas
S: Crouch
E: Shaw, Callinan, Jaensch

Ins: McKernan, Crouch, Tambling
Out: Martin, Jaensch, Brown (inj)

 

[1970crow]

Has everyone given up on petrenko playing in defence. I vaguely remember him going ok down back but it's been a while. Could crouch play as a crumbing, contested ball player up forward, pets to defence and jaensch to the sanfl.

 

[Mismatched]

Could Otten play FB? Strength could be an issue, but he has a good spoil.


Truck was woefull. Needs to find form and dominate the SANFL for a few weeks.

Otten struggles against genuine KPF.

Rutten wasn't as bad as you say, kept his opponents pretty quiet considering the ball was up their end most of the time. The Bombers talls(inc ruckman) contributed 2.4 for the entire night. Talia, Rutten and Otten did their job. It's Howlett kicking 4 and the multitude of other bombers mids chopping in that killed us.

 

[Mismatched]

Has everyone given up on petrenko playing in defence. I vaguely remember him going ok down back but it's been a while. Could crouch play as a crumbing, contested ball player up forward, pets to defence and jaensch to the sanfl.

He's a natural small defender, I'd love to see him play there for an extended period. I think what you suggest has a lot of merit, won't happen though, Petrenko has been pidgeon-holed as a defensive small forward and nothing else. He also goes alright through the midfield...

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Out - The press...its crap

Walker must play closer to goals. I didn't like seeing 2/3's of the ground being empty with all our forwards moving up the ground with that press. Left us nothing to kick to when we won the ball. Looked like 2011 under NC revisited.

 

[Mike Smyth]

In Smack, Tambling,

Out Jenkins, Brown

Give the midfield another crack with an actual ruckman backing up Jacobs. I think Smack would at least bring the ball to ground up front as well as being able to take a big grab. Jenkins looks more like a running flanker than a key target. Would be more effective as the third option if we are going to play him.

yep, I agree. Crouch also has to play so Jaensch out, Crouch in.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

I think one of the big issues re Jenkins is that our coaching staff have subbed him, "like for like" for Tippett and assumed we'll be fine. When in fact they're not like for like. Walker needs support and we're naive to think that a 12 game basketball convert can provide it alone, especially against a back line that has Fletcher as 3rd tall.

I also agree with the thought that Jenkins is more a tall flanker. That's not to say he doesn't have a place in our side, only that we need another tall up front to provide support to Walker, be it McKernan, Johnston or even Lynch.

Personally, whilst I like to see us back guys in to turn around one bad performance, I think our structure and make up of our side was all wrong. We saw outside run as a weakness, so just filled our side with outside runners, in the process limiting our greatest strength, in contested footy.

B: Johncock - Rutten - Reilly
HB: Otten - Talia - Tambling (Brown)
C: Mackay - Danger - Sloane
HF: Vince - Jenkins - Porplyzia
F: McKernan - Walker - Petrenko
1R: Jacobs - Thompson - Wright
I: Henderson - van Berlo - Douglas
S: Crouch
E: Shaw, Callinan, Jaensch

Ins: McKernan, Crouch, Tambling
Out: Martin, Jaensch, Brown (inj)

Good post.
I do like the idea of 3 talls in the forward line. McKernan can be the back up ruck to Sauce as well. Jenkins got spanked in ruck last night.
MacKay must play as a wing and not as a defender, not sure why the hell we have persisted with this for so long, but we need his run off the wing. Also like your move of Johncock in the back pocket.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Can't see us going wit 3 talls or moving Johncock back to defence

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I am thinking more Rutten should be given a spell to find form. He needs games under his belt, and it costs us too much finding form with us at AFL level. Truck is a senior player, but he is the kind of guy who needs games to get form, and thus should have played a lot more in the NAB cup IMO.


Bit like Fast Bowlers needing to bowl a lot of overs to get rythym. Hence rotating them is not working for Australia.........

Rutten will be needed against Johno Brown!

Otten would get monstered by Brown.

 

[LC40]

I think one of the big issues re Jenkins is that our coaching staff have subbed him, "like for like" for Tippett and assumed we'll be fine. When in fact they're not like for like. Walker needs support and we're naive to think that a 12 game basketball convert can provide it alone, especially against a back line that has Fletcher as 3rd tall.

I also agree with the thought that Jenkins is more a tall flanker. That's not to say he doesn't have a place in our side, only that we need another tall up front to provide support to Walker, be it McKernan, Johnston or even Lynch.

Personally, whilst I like to see us back guys in to turn around one bad performance, I think our structure and make up of our side was all wrong. We saw outside run as a weakness, so just filled our side with outside runners, in the process limiting our greatest strength, in contested footy.

B: Johncock - Rutten - Reilly
HB: Otten - Talia - Tambling (Brown)
C: Mackay - Danger - Sloane
HF: Vince - Jenkins - Porplyzia
F: McKernan - Walker - Petrenko
1R: Jacobs - Thompson - Wright
I: Henderson - van Berlo - Douglas
S: Crouch
E: Shaw, Callinan, Jaensch

Ins: McKernan, Crouch, Tambling
Out: Martin, Jaensch, Brown (inj)

Agree with what you said.
Need two specialist ruckman in side. For a hundred years teams have had two ruckman. Previously one was rested in a forward pocket and became a target if the full forward led. Would require a extra tall defender to cover him and if he plays a disciplined game and drags his player wide or deep, this allows Walker some room.That assumes he makes himself a legitimate target by working hard. Of course he can now rest on the bench but one things for certain Jenkins ain't a ruckman, McKernan best option at the moment IMO.

Time to nominate a designated centre half forward and play him as one. Jenkins gets the nod at the moment but Johnson /Mckernan could play the role. Must lead and spread, opening up area for Walker but stay in their forward half to provide some options for defenders coming out.

Walker needs to start deeper in attack, doesn't mean he can't roam the forward line but we need his presence in the forward line not the centre area.

Players need to move the ball on at all times. Just too stagnant, I would rather turn the ball over trying to put pressure on defenders by getting the ball in quick than go back to the Neil Craig gameplan of mark, kick, mark, kick.It won't win a premiership.

Petrenko needs a rest,not clean enough at the moment with his skills. Find some form back at the Eagles. Whoever takes his place must be prepared to chase. Crouch or Callinan likely replacement.

Whatever happens we need to get some speed into our game especially out of defence.
Our structure last night were just wrong.

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

Out: Jaensch, Brown (if injured), Henderson (if injured)
In: Crouch, Riley/Tambling, Smack

 

[Mr_Moogle]

In - Crouch, Pig-Dog & Tambling

out- Jaensch, Martin & Brown (injured)

Little harsh on Jaensch. He was one of the few players who didn't constantly turn the ball over last night. He ended up with 13 disposals @ 93% efficiency compared to most guys on the list kicking at 50%.

In - Crouch, Tambling
Out - Petrenko, Brown (injured)

 

[smoovy]

Stiffy to the backline - We need someone with some run and who can get the ball off the deck, we are woeful once it hits the ground. In fact its frightening.
Get Mitch Grigg in - I haven't been on here much so he may be injured, I have no idea. BUT HE CAN KICK THE FOOTBALL, also he has a LEFT FOOT. Again we fielded a side without a single left footer. I will say yet again we cannot win a premiership with such an imbalance. There was a 5 min patch a play in the third quarter where Vince and Porplyzia showed what even having a some semblance of a left foot can do, this was highlighted when Henderson stopped an attacking run in the middle of the ground because he doesn't possess and left foot at all.
Petrenko OUT - I don't care what pressure he puts on. It doesn't make up for having 5 touches a match, that is bullshit
Henderson mostly up forward - He is a bloody hard match up, if things go pear shaped don't be afraid to push him behind the ball as a loose. He should never be a key defender though. He is the new Scott Stevens only better, more athletic, still equally capable of a brain fart.
Jenkins deeper and Walker higher up the ground - Going against a lot of sentiment here. But Tex has improved his work rate such that he can be a deep and high forward. He is a dangerous player from 70m, in my view Jenkins only is from inside 50. Jenkins also needs to keep the other tall defender honest and away from Walker so he can't be double teamed. This is best served going deep.
Heavily tagged midfielders go to HB - If Danger finds himself in the same situation as last night then he is better off going behind the ball to free himself, because he can run he can be just as effectual here. Also on kick ins his tag will have to zone.

Those are the subtle tactical changes I would make. Above all that though the midfield need to sort their shit out. I would like to see the ball thumped forward from a centre break more often to mix it up.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

In:
Crouch needs to play
Riley need a big body other than Danger and Thommo

Out:
Brown (injured)
Petrenko or Stiffy (harsh but we need another mid to rotate)

about as much chance as you have of playing

 

[WaynesWorld19]

In - Crouch, Pig-Dog & Tambling

out- Jaensch, Martin & Brown (injured)

Agree Jaensch and Brown .....Jaensch was just making up numbers last night ...no real influence
But Marting this year looks good ....looks to have a more physical attitude and IMO needs to stay in the side

In: Crouch and Tambling ....Riley will get his opportunities just not next game

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I never thought I would say this but, I think its make or break time for McKernan. Id bring him in for Jenkins and play him for about the next 5 games. We got molested in the ruck last night and our forward line really lacked someone bringing the ball to ground. I dont think we have a choice.

I ....think the problem is that both Jenkins & Walker like to move around ....Walkers strength is his endurance and he likes to run his opponents into the ground, the perfect CHF

Jenkins also likes to move around .....in otherwords we have 2 CHF types and no-one to stay at home for the high inbound kick

Mckernan who hates running is the next best Tippett type

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What concerns me is I don't see a AFL footballer in either Martin or Matty J however if we were to lose Pig-Dog or Lyons to another club to seek further opportunities both players will make it at AFL level

Pig-Dog must come in, he is a great chop out player in the clearances, will give Danger some protection and is a tackling machine

I don't care if his kicking and spread is work in progress because his strengths are what is missing from our team

That's am excellent point !!! .......Danger needs more protection and that could be the answer to free danger up

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Who would have thought a AFC bigfooty board calling for Tambling to be brought into the team ......will wonders never cease

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

McKernan hasn't played for so long that everyone has forgotten how crap he is. He has his good moments in ruck and occasionally clunks a grab or two but the other 80% of the time he doesn't try. Jogs around being insipid. It's almost as though Doc Clarke was coaching him. Dropping Jenkins after one wet night game where our midfield got destroyed is premature.

The amount of pressure Petrenko puts on the opposition isn't nearly as much as the pressure he puts on his fellow forwards with his invisible displays. Too much left to too few. Walker heading up the ground isn't an issue... as long as Porplyzia, Johncock, Henderson, Jenkins and Petrenko are making themselves dangerous and utilising the space behind him. Instead they were busy being thrashed by their opponents.

Anywho... is it just early season rust? Perhaps too early to break out the wholesale changes. We were abysmal, the same as we'd been for much of the preseason. But is that simply a symptom of a deep Sept 2012 finals campaign and a list that is aiming to peak later?

Some stuff was definitely temporary:
- Rutten made some awful blunders but rarely starts seasons well.
- Thompson, Sloane and Dangerfield were down but you wouldn't bet on that happening too often.
- Reilly and Mackay gave us very little off half back but usually provide some drive
- Wright wasted every possession but is usually fairly neat

The worries are the ones that look like long term patterns:
- Johncock doesn't seem at home in the forward line
- Petrenko doesn't have any offensive impact
- Henderson hasn't yet found a position to make his own
- Vince and Douglas are only having teen-possession games, not prime movers (means that we rely super heavily on Thommo, Danger and Sloane)

These are the ones we must solve.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Who would have thought a AFC bigfooty board calling for Tambling to be brought into the team ......will wonders never cease

And McKernan.

It's like hearing calls to play Maxwell and Smith!

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Lots of players can apply pressure and get 5 or 6 tackles a game. But they can also get 10-20 disposals too. For this reason, Petrenko needs to go and be told to learn how to get possessions in the SANFL.

Out Pets, Martin
In Crouch, Riley

 

[Elite Crow]

McKernan hasn't played for so long that everyone has forgotten how crap he is. He has his good moments in ruck and occasionally clunks a grab or two but the other 80% of the time he doesn't try. Jogs around being insipid. It's almost as though Doc Clarke was coaching him. Dropping Jenkins after one wet night game where our midfield got destroyed is premature.

The amount of pressure Petrenko puts on the opposition isn't nearly as much as the pressure he puts on his fellow forwards with his invisible displays. Too much left to too few. Walker heading up the ground isn't an issue... as long as Porplyzia, Johncock, Henderson, Jenkins and Petrenko are making themselves dangerous and utilising the space behind him. Instead they were busy being thrashed by their opponents.

Anywho... is it just early season rust? Perhaps too early to break out the wholesale changes. We were abysmal, the same as we'd been for much of the preseason. But is that simply a symptom of a deep Sept 2012 finals campaign and a list that is aiming to peak later?

Some stuff was definitely temporary:
- Rutten made some awful blunders but rarely starts seasons well.
- Thompson, Sloane and Dangerfield were down but you wouldn't bet on that happening too often.
- Reilly and Mackay gave us very little off half back but usually provide some drive
- Wright wasted every possession but is usually fairly neat

The worries are the ones that look like long term patterns:
- Johncock doesn't seem at home in the forward line
- Petrenko doesn't have any offensive impact
- Henderson hasn't yet found a position to make his own
- Vince and Douglas are only having teen-possession games, not prime movers (means that we rely super heavily on Thommo, Danger and Sloane)

These are the ones we must solve.

Spot on except but I'd prefer Tex stayed up forward and you can add VB to low possession midfielders.