Preview Changes for the Giants game

[Freddy Bassett]

Not even close Vader.

In round 1 last year the only players missing from our best 22 were Kurt Tippett and Sam Jacobs. Don't you remember losing Porplyzia, Mackay and Sloane in round 1. Whilst Brodie Smith did a great job battling Renouf and Hale in ruck and clunking marks at centre half forward I suspect it would be more accurate to say he was played in front of Symes, Petrenko, Jaensch, Cook and Gunston.

All the small players on our senior list were available for round 1 and we "PLAYED THE KID"

No soup for you Vader.................NEXT

Didn't Kerridge get a game last week infront of Symes who has had 2 BOG's with Centrals?

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

Was he selected in front of Symes or did he get to wear the green singlet because Sturt were not playing last week?

Some posters have suggested he wasn't selected last week therefore he wasn't dropped. You can't have it both ways. Symes is a year older and is the only player over 25 not selected for every game this year.

When Jacobs returned and and we had to drop a ruckmen did we play Maric or did we "play the Kid"

When Stevens went down, did we play Sellar or did we "play the Kid".

But when Johncock is not available this week what do we do? We dropped the Kids.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Ive actually found selection a bit of a mystery in recent weeks

Kerridge was selected in front of a host of other players with stronger form, if a key reason was that Sturt had the bye surely Matty J had the stronger form on the board and would have been better suited given the opposition and task at hand.

Matty J, wasn't even listed as a emergency for the Hawthorn game however has forced his way in this week with Sturt having the bye last week, how has he improved his form to be considered

Matty Wright has been selected on the basis that we lacked forwarded pressure last week so if this is the case why hasn't one of the small forwards lost their spot for not playing their role

Finally our midfield pressure in attacking the opposition ball carrier was poor last week and how pays the price for this, Kerridge the sub

I'm a fan of Sando however with playing GWS this week I believe he had missed a early opportunity to make a selection statement, I would have dropped 1 or 2 bigger name players

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Ahh, Neil's patented Round 1 illusion trick. Pick a few kids to keep the Board/public off his back - see, I am playing the kids - and they can be discarded as the season wears on and everyone gets sidetrack by the thrill of possibly sneaking into the bottom rungs of the 8.

For some fun, have a gander at the team that beat Collingwood in Round 1 2009 and then the team that lost the semi final to Collingwood later that year.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think we're wasting our time with Doughty & Reilly as well.

You have to have a balance of experience and youth even when your rebuilding .......don't think so then have a look at Melbourne who got rid of all their experience and now are rudderless

Reilly is amongst our better players this year and whilst Doughty is not playing great footy ......with only one year to go his experience on the ground is invaluable.
It's just about balance

BTW no-one talks about Johncock in these discussions

And who is Doughty and Reilly keeping out .......no-one surely is suggesting we're keeping a 200 game potential player out are they (Jeansch?) Shaw is not a direct swap either?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Ive actually found selection a bit of a mystery in recent weeks

Kerridge was selected in front of a host of other players with stronger form, if a key reason was that Sturt had the bye surely Matty J had the stronger form on the board and would have been better suited given the opposition and task at hand.
If you wanted another strong midfielder to match the obvious strength of Hawthorn players then Kerridge was a reasonable selection and you could argue that the club did favour youth over the obvious experience & good form of Symes. Jeansch i dont think has ever been considered a midfielder

Matty J, wasn't even listed as a emergency for the Hawthorn game however has forced his way in this week with Sturt having the bye last week, how has he improved his form to be considered
We are resting players despite media comments by Sando, in losing Johncock & Henderson we really didn't really have anyone to run the ball out of defense or very players with a bit of toe. IMO it was more a case of team balance rather than SANFL form

Matty Wright has been selected on the basis that we lacked forwarded pressure last week so if this is the case why hasn't one of the small forwards lost their spot for not playing their role
No he was selected on the back of adding an extra tall and needing to reinforce ground level support. Last week we added Martin (midfielder/defender) to replace Douglas (midfielder/forward) so we were a small down last week front of centre. This week Martin takes Johncock role and Wright has basically taken Douglas role

Finally our midfield pressure in attacking the opposition ball carrier was poor last week and how pays the price for this, Kerridge the sub.
Just gave Kerridge a taste but i know at this stage of Kerridges career I'd still prefer Wright in the centre square

I'm a fan of Sando however with playing GWS this week I believe he had missed a early opportunity to make a selection statement, I would have dropped 1 or 2 bigger name players
Disagree thought Sando got it absolutely correct .......with not bringing Henderson back in it's effectively 5 changes, enough for any game

really looking forward to seeing how the team balance works this week, really need the flexibility McKernan offers

 

[BigLefty]

I've been puzzled with selection recently aswell. i really want Lyons to get a run, so that been dissappointing, but it's not completely surprising that he hasnt yet.

The fact Jeansch has come in is the most surprising. i love him so am pretty pleased about it, but it really lacks any kind of consistency. While it's highly unlikely i wonder if he wasnt being internally disciplined for something that hasnt come out in public. like i said, unlikely, but it makes more sense to me than him somehow jumping over last weeks emergencies given sturt had the bye.

Kerridge i also dont get. I hate it when kids debut then get dropped the following week. it's part of the learning process to debut, be completely out of depth, then come back the next week with a better understanding and try to build some form.

I thought Hendo had been good too until he was KO'd again. i thought he'd come straight back. is he playing sanfl this week or is he still not right?

Great to see Shaw get his long overdue debut though. looking forward to seeing him play some more.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

You have to have a balance of experience and youth even when your rebuilding .......don't think so then have a look at Melbourne who got rid of all their experience and now are rudderless

Reilly is amongst our better players this year and whilst Doughty is not playing great footy ......with only one year to go his experience on the ground is invaluable.
It's just about balance

BTW no-one talks about Johncock in these discussions

And who is Doughty and Reilly keeping out .......no-one surely is suggesting we're keeping a 200 game potential player out are they (Jeansch?) Shaw is not a direct swap either?

Have you ever seen Sam Shaw play? He is a direct swap for Doughty. Whilst he played the MMC as a CHB he has played mostly as a HBF or outside midfielder. The only player on our list with Sam's pace over 20m is Dangerfield. If he overcomes his injury problems he will be an absolute beauty.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Have you ever seen Sam Shaw play? He is a direct swap for Doughty. Whilst he played the MMC as a CHB he has played mostly as a HBF or outside midfielder. The only player on our list with Sam's pace over 20m is Dangerfield. If he overcomes his injury problems he will be an absolute beauty.

Yes i have seen Shaw play .......if he did a fast 20m time at the combine, then I'd suggest the weight he has put on has "slightly" taken the edge off his pace ......that or the back issues has, because he's definately not showing it in games.

I agree he'll be very good, no doubts there ......just can't envisage him as a direct replacement for Doughty ......Stevens/Otten yes certainly

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

WW

I appreciate your post however I still stand by that selection over the past couple of weeks have been a little puzzling.

Again to select Kerridge who I agree has a mature body against Hawthorn ahead of a more experienced and in form Symes, Knights or even A Riley was a little puzzling as I don't believe Kerridge had the form on the board to warrant selection. I would had preferred that we selected Kerridge to pay this week against GWS rather then throwing him in against the Hawks.

Matty J is a interesting selection, form not good enough to make the emergencies for last round however forces his selection without a game last week. Matty is obvious a like for like selection for Stiffy however other options are available like playing Smith of HB who would be a beauty across HB and bringing in a in form Lyons.

Smack is obviously a structure selection.

My final point is Sando has gone on record saying that our midfield and forward pressure was poor last week however IMO has missed an opportunity at the selection table to enforce what is now the acceptable standards.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Selection made easy.... Pick the youngest 22 blokes on our list every week. If a kid gets injured, replace with the 23rd youngest guy on list.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Was he selected in front of Symes or did he get to wear the green singlet because Sturt were not playing last week?

Some posters have suggested he wasn't selected last week therefore he wasn't dropped. You can't have it both ways. Symes is a year older and is the only player over 25 not selected for every game this year.

When Jacobs returned and and we had to drop a ruckmen did we play Maric or did we "play the Kid"

When Stevens went down, did we play Sellar or did we "play the Kid".

But when Johncock is not available this week what do we do? We dropped the Kids.

The thing I find most pathetic about your previous example is you are making Fremantle the champions of promoting youth over older heads, in their choice of playing young Neale over Lower.... They are coached by Ross Lyon, the Darth Vader of not playing youth...

 

[Mattrox]

Clearly the coach has a structure and game plan for today. Lets see how it goes 1st then critique after. Great to ask questions and discuss but constant criticism because he didn't select the team you prefer is counter productive. I'm excited to see who stands up and performs. In a game like this, the players that show there oppo respect and still play a positive brand of footy will surely be noticed. Those with a flippant approach will have questions asked of them.

 

[Truck Rutten]

It is true that GWS are playing three coaches this week. McDonald, Power and Brogan all have coaching roles at the club.
Look, I think I understand what you're trying to say, and of course you're entitled to your opinion, I just think its wrong. You can't give up the season in R3. Doughty and Reilly, as much as you may want to disagree, are both in our best 22 currently and both playing decent football. Reilly is playing some of his best football at the moment and is playing a very important role for our side. Doughty provides that hard edge and experience, and has been one of our better players the last couple of weeks.
I don't really believe that Stiffy is injured, at least not injured enough to miss, I think his poor form has seen the inclusion of a youngster, but he is someone you don't "drop", we've been diplomatic and given him an out.
Lynch is stiff to go out, but on balance for the structure it makes sense. Lynch Can't ruck, Smack can. I'd love to see Kerridge get in for a full game, and I don't think there's any doubt he'll play a bunch of games this year, he'll get his chance. Makes sense to keep Hendo out against GWS, he's had a couple of heavy knocks, give him a bit of a rest, he'll definitely be back.
I think Sando has it about right.

Where do you think we'll finish on the ladder this season?

Doughty is a 32 year old, playing a peripheral role. He's a good club man, who plays his part, but it's not a role that requires any great amount of talent, but more so a willingness and mindset to do the tough defensive things. It was an incredibly dumb decision to give him another year. To compound matters, we've thrown Reilly yet another career lifeline, in the same area of the ground that Dogga plays in.

So we now have 2 rather limited veterans monopolising positions that are very often used for young players to hone their craft in. For a team that's not a genuine challenger and is hopefully building towards a top 4 assault in a couple of years, it shows an alarming lack of foresight.

If Dogga plays all/most games this year, come the end of the season he'll still be the best current option for his position, even if only from a consistency perspective, and we'll have missed the opportunity for his replacement to develop their game. What do we do? Talk him into going around again? Doughty didn't walk into the team as the end product he ended up as. We need to afford the same opportunites to his replacement.

I was really hoping we'd seen the last of this sort of short term thinking that characterised the Craig era. Maybe Sando thinks he needs to show immediate results to justify his appointment. But playing Doughty and Reilly in the same backline is not doing the right thing for the future of the club.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Form needs to be the premises for selection otherwise you risk dissolving standards

I am not one that believes in gifting opportunities and with this in my mind I want to see a young player EARN his jumper and by doing so he will push out a existing player who is not consistently performing

The call to gift games to rookie players to build towards 2014 is not the right approach, however challenging young players to perform in the sanfl and to win a spot in the team at the expense of a more experience player is the only way to go

What we have one player 30+, it's not like 3-4 years ago when we were playing 6 players 30+, there needs to be a balanced approach to building to our next flag challenge

 

[Mattrox]

What if Brent really turns his career under a new coach? What if he becomes a New man? Chances are he won't, but maybe he has done enough in training to give him a chance. If he can't step up the younger guys will push for selection and earn their spots.

 

[Truck Rutten]

Form needs to be the premises for selection otherwise you risk dissolving standards

I am not one that believes in gifting opportunities and with this in my mind I want to see a young player EARN his jumper and by doing so he will push out a existing player who is not consistently performing

The call to gift games to rookie players to build towards 2014 is not the right approach, however challenging young players to perform in the sanfl and to win a spot in the team at the expense of a more experience player is the only way to go

What we have one player 30+, it's not like 3-4 years ago when we were playing 6 players 30+, there needs to be a balanced approach to building to our next flag challenge

If we have to wait for a young guy to be outperforming a 200+ game player before he's worthy of a spot, then I look forward to Dogga's next 5 years with the club.

Nobody is talking about bringing Nick Joyce in to take Dogga's spot. We've got guys in good form in the SANFL who deserve an opportunity, and given where the club is at, I would have thought it's fairly important to be fast tracking young players development wherever we can. And if you want to talk about not gifting games we need look no further than Otten's selection over the past few weeks to illustrate that it happens frequently at footy clubs.

The problem is with Dogga still on the list, the temptation is to look short term and keep playing him. It's understandable, but not in the best interests of the club looking to the future. It was a dumb decision to get him to go around again.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Where do you think we'll finish on the ladder this season?

Who knows? Do you?

It is the start of the season and I expect our club to be doing everything it possibly can to finish as high as it possibly can..

When a team gets on a roll anything is possible

 

[craig crowing]

Form needs to be the premises for selection otherwise you risk dissolving standards

I am not one that believes in gifting opportunities and with this in my mind I want to see a young player EARN his jumper and by doing so he will push out a existing player who is not consistently performing

The call to gift games to rookie players to build towards 2014 is not the right approach, however challenging young players to perform in the sanfl and to win a spot in the team at the expense of a more experience player is the only way to go

What we have one player 30+, it's not like 3-4 years ago when we were playing 6 players 30+, there needs to be a balanced approach to building to our next flag challenge

Whilst a good posts with good points dont forget one of points raised with 6 players over 30 got us down the bottom and guess whilst some posters go overboard about total youth replace older players But many like me just want to give new players opportunity against those that have been on list long time that continue to make same mistakes and let team down when any pressure on.
Lets face it might make eight due to our draw being a realist we are probably not going to have a impact in finals.
So feel that reward any new players performing where can with decent go to see if they can be part of a real push to the top in future.
Lets face it is Doughty going to get better only ever been average player.
Is Reilly even playing better ever going to stop doing turnovers or get caught with the ball or Douglas going to stop slipping over when real opportunity arises etc etc .
It is not age VS youth it is finding players that really help us get to next level. No matter how look at it dropping Lynch and Kerridge was no a forward thinking move

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

The form of Kerridge in the preseason, despite limited game time was excellent. I would argue that it was superior to Brodie Smiths preseason from last year. He is then sent back to Glenelg where he has to learn a new game plan, meet his new team mates etc and because his form is good but not great that justifies not selecting him.

Sam Shaw was arguably our best player in the back six during the preseason. He can play on talls or smalls but is sent back to the SANFL despite Dogga's poor preseason form. If both of these players had been given the first 5 matches (four of them against teams that are not going to get anywhere near the eight) then they would be well prepared for the tough block of matches between round 6 and 10. If there not up to it we can bring in more experienced players if the team looks too young against the stronger opposition.

Jarryd Lyons overcame his injury problems in the second half of last year and looked like he might be AFL ready. He looks promising in the 68 minutes of ground time he was given in the MMC. Doughty was given nearly double this time and Stiffy played every match because presumably this is the only way we can get him fit. Do we play him when he is in good form or do we wait until we are 4-6 and then bring him in?

Our squad is quite young so our teams will be younger than the top 4 teams (barring injury) but we dont have to play all of our older players.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

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Geelong (last years premiers) have played Guthrie (19), Smedts (19) and Horlin Smith (19) Out have been Varcoe, Wojinski, Menzel, and now Kelly. Retired are Ling, Otten, Milburn, Mooney.

Collingwood (last years runners up) have played Fasola (19), Paine (18) and Yagmour (18) Out have been Brown, Didak, Krakour, Maxwell, Tarrant, and now Ball, Shaw, and Thomas. Retired are Davis, Dick and Brown.

West Coast have played Darling (19) and Gaff (19) and Brad Hill (18) for Hawthorn. Out have been Lecras, Rosa, Nicoski, Embly, and for hawthorn out have been Gilham, Hodge, Smith, Bailey.

This ignorea bunch of 20 year olds have have hardly played a game before this year (Seedsman, Rounds, Sinclair, Stevens) And these are the teams challenging for the flag.

Do you want a list for the teams hoping to slip into the top 8 like us.

Sufficient evidence BACCS?

Ive added in the players missing who would be first 22 inclusions had they not been injured / retired.

How about Adelaide?

Injured have been Henderson and Douglas. Played has been Kerridge. Its no surprise Adelaides list is so small compared to the ones you put up. Why? BECAUSE OF OTHER TEAMS INJURY LIST!

Most of the time teams dont need to drop performing players and play kids, this naturally happens through kids getting a few games here and there in their first year or 2 because an opportunity arises for them though unfortunate injuries.

Some other interesting info

Yagmoor had 2 tackles in his opening game. That worked out well didnt it...

Smedts pick 15, Guthrie pick 23, Horlin Smith pick 37, Fasolo pick 45, Darling pick 26, Gaff pick 4 (all 2010), and Hill pick 33 (2011) have played. Every kid drafted to Adelaide in 2010/2011 that was picked using a draft pick before pick 45 in 2010 or before pick 33 in 2011 has debuted. There is a reason for this, later picks have a lower % rate of becoming AFL players, they need more development, and they take longer to build AFL bodies and AFL fitness.

I think the official term you are calling for is for Adelaide to Tank. You want Adelaide to drop players who are performing, replacing them with kids who are not in the teams best 22, which will in turn mean Adelaide are less competitive and lose more games.

Another point - Sanderson has had 3 AFL games with this squad. I wont be surprised to see him use players like Symes, Tambling before they are dropped as well, because he may have a different use for them. Just like Henderson moving back to defence and Tippett playing up the ground more. But when this happens you will cry about not playing the kids.

That was a big win P.A, we were thrashed but Dogga kept Rioli relatively quiet. This will be important for the development of our squad for our next crack at the flag. I guess the clashes between Cyril and Dogga over the next five years will be classics.

If we are going to get our arse kicked by the top 4 or 5 teams then we should at least get games into our kids.

I look forward to your justifications in 6 weeks time.

Will it not help our squad knowing Dogga beat Rioli can now pass down information about how he did it to the rest of the squad?

Why do you assume our next crack crack at a flag is so far away?

I guess we better drop Rutten, Dogga, Thompson, Johncock, Reilly and Vince. Infact drop everyone over the age of 23, as 24-32 year olds couldnt possibly be a part of Adelaides next flag.

Honestly, please answer this simple question. What part of the FACT that Adelaide have THE LOWEST injury list we have had at a seasons beginning in at least 5 years translating that there are LESS opening positions in our top 22 for teenagers to get games? This will change, injuries happen, players with less experience will get games. Adelaide, to remain competitive, will play the best available 22 week in week out until it is an impossibility for the team to make the finals.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

The form of Kerridge in the preseason, despite limited game time was excellent. I would argue that it was superior to Brodie Smiths preseason from last year. He is then sent back to Glenelg where he has to learn a new game plan, meet his new team mates etc and because his form is good but not great that justifies not selecting him.

Sam Shaw was arguably our best player in the back six during the preseason. He can play on talls or smalls but is sent back to the SANFL despite Dogga's poor preseason form. If both of these players had been given the first 5 matches (four of them against teams that are not going to get anywhere near the eight) then they would be well prepared for the tough block of matches between round 6 and 10. If there not up to it we can bring in more experienced players if the team looks too young against the stronger opposition.

Jarryd Lyons overcame his injury problems in the second half of last year and looked like he might be AFL ready. He looks promising in the 68 minutes of ground time he was given in the MMC. Doughty was given nearly double this time and Stiffy played every match because presumably this is the only way we can get him fit. Do we play him when he is in good form or do we wait until we are 4-6 and then bring him in?

Our squad is quite young so our teams will be younger than the top 4 teams (barring injury) but we dont have to play all of our older players.

So in cricket if Nigel No one hits a couple hundreds in the first shield games of the year and Shane Watson has a few failiures to start the season off should Watson be pushed out the Australian side?

And regarding Lyons, has it hurt his development this year in playing the first four games for the Bays? I would say he is coming along bloody well. I think after 3 games in a row in the best, he would feel better about his own game now than if we threw him in round 1 to make BF posters, like yourself happy. I am sure Shaw feels better with his body now that he has strung 2 months of footy together? I am sure Otten doesn't feel hardly done by being dropped back to South to regain form rather than being pushed out because he is 22?

Dropping senior players for being senior players in round 1 doesn't generally happen because it isn't overly smart. They should of been delisted

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Not only have the top 4 teams put more game time into their kids than us, they have ignored experienced players to do so, regardless of their injury count. Cameron Bruce, Sam Butler, Shannon Byrnes and Simon Buckley have been running around in the two's so their kids can play. The only player on our list over 25 that hasn't played every game so far is Brad Symes.

I must have missed where Symes, Kinghts, Tambling were incuded in our last 3 games and young kids were dropped, you stooge. Teams will pick THE BEST 22 AVAILABLE and at this point in time Symes, Knights and Tambling, just like Buckley, Byrnes, Bruce, are not best 22 players. You cant seem to grasp using ALL the aspects of selection at once. You can only look at age, or experience, or teams with teens playing, one at a time.

The real comparison is with similar teams to us (not the GWS or GC but other teams that finished out of the eight last year and expect to improve). Do you want to see how we compare to them in playing the kids?

By all means put up your flawed stats so I can poke holes through them with ease, just like all your other crap


If we are 8-2 at the break and pushing for a top 4 spot I will be happy to say I was wrong but if we are 4-6 we have wasted the first half of the season pumping games into Dogga, Radar and Callinan at the expense of our exciting next batch of kids (Shaw, Kerridge, Lyons etc).[/quote]

Why wouldnt Raddar (as much as he is my whipping boy) and Callinan not be a part of our next flag? They have at least 3 years each left in them.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

You must have a powerful argument when you need to resort to insults.

I will not call you a stooge, I will simply p.m. these posts for later this year.

Have you booked your accomodation for the GF yet?

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

In other news, 18 year old Lachie Neale, pick 58 in last years draft (wasn't Kerridge pick 27?) recovers from injury and plays his first game for Freo. Meanwhile Nick Lower racks up 27 possessions for Perth in the WAFL.

Of course our kids didn't show as much promise in the preseason. We didn't see any good signs from Brown, Grigg, Ellis Yolmen and Joyce despite reports that they were training the house down. Jarryd Lyons, a second year player, was given 84 minutes in the preseason and Dogga was given more game time than Johnston, Jenkins and Riley combined. Lynch and Kerridge spent more time in the fluorescent singlets than on the ground during the MMC.

I am happy to provide a new example every day between now and the midseason break of opportunities provided by other teams to kids if you truly believe your statement above Vader.

In other news Kerridge, Shaw, Talia, Smith, McKernan and Lynch have all been selected ahead of Symes, Knights, Tambling. Seriously your using Nick Lower as evidence? Symes smashes out 30 touches every SANFL game, some players are simply great SANFL players but cant play AFL.