Preview Changes for the Giants game

[DavidSaywell]

Very disappointed Lynch is out. Has played as a lead up forward, presented well and kicked goals. Tex needs to prove himself against good teams. He could well get touched up by Chudley Cornes which would be embarrassing in what should be a10-15 goal win. Hope Brodie Martin plays through the centre as he is not a back man.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

Not only have the top 4 teams put more game time into their kids than us, they have ignored experienced players to do so, regardless of their injury count. Cameron Bruce, Sam Butler, Shannon Byrnes and Simon Buckley have been running around in the two's so their kids can play. The only player on our list over 25 that hasn't played every game so far is Brad Symes.

The real comparison is with similar teams to us (not the GWS or GC but other teams that finished out of the eight last year and expect to improve). Do you want to see how we compare to them in playing the kids?

If we are 8-2 at the break and pushing for a top 4 spot I will be happy to say I was wrong but if we are 4-6 we have wasted the first half of the season pumping games into Dogga, Radar and Callinan at the expense of our exciting next batch of kids (Shaw, Kerridge, Lyons etc).

 

[Mattrox]

Not only have the top 4 teams put more game time into their kids than us, they have ignored experienced players to do so, regardless of their injury count. Cameron Bruce, Sam Butler, Shannon Byrnes and Simon Buckley have been running around in the two's so their kids can play. The only player on our list over 25 that hasn't played every game so far is Brad Symes.

To make room for kids or because they are not best 22 anymore?


and after 3 games, saying "every game" is more premature than Al Bundy.

 

[Elite Crow]

The issue for you some of what you makes sense, but not all the evidence you use to support it is valid. Bruce is past it, Byrnes was only ever a 50-50 player, Buckley is a fringe player and Butler is always injured.

It also doesn't help you come across as a FIGJAM

 

[Mattrox]

I call "Thread Hijack" post about your "Play all the youngest in the club at once" theory in your own fantasy land thread. The changes have been made, in large most support the changes with the exception of Lynch which has left a few if us confused. Saying that, we are not privy to all the goings on and match fitness or team structure and game plan come into it too. maybe he didn't train as well as others. Who knows. But all in all I think that the less experienced players that deserve a crack for legitimate reasons rather than gifting them cheap games.

If we play too many kids in a GWS game are we training them to be flat track bullies?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not only have the top 4 teams put more game time into their kids than us, they have ignored experienced players to do so, regardless of their injury count. Cameron Bruce, Sam Butler, Shannon Byrnes and Simon Buckley have been running around in the two's so their kids can play. The only player on our list over 25 that hasn't played every game so far is Brad Symes.

The real comparison is with similar teams to us (not the GWS or GC but other teams that finished out of the eight last year and expect to improve). Do you want to see how we compare to them in playing the kids?

If we are 8-2 at the break and pushing for a top 4 spot I will be happy to say I was wrong but if we are 4-6 we have wasted the first half of the season pumping games into Dogga, Radar and Callinan at the expense of our exciting next batch of kids (Shaw, Kerridge, Lyons etc).

All this anger and this is with Knights, Tambling and Symes not picked and Johncock out with an 'injury'

You must have hated Neil.

 

[cmndstab]

Not happy with the treatment of Lynch. Hasn't been given a full game once so far, despite looking good every time he's come on. I hope the club is being very specific with him about what he needs to do to earn a regular spot, because as a supporter I'm confused about what else they expect from him. Our forward-line structure hasn't changed over the preseason, so it's not like we could have had anything different in mind when we traded for him.


Also, I'm wondering where Lyons is in the club's eyes. I don't think I've ever even heard a Crows staffer mention his name since the day he was drafted. I assume they're quite pleased with his progress and he's one step behind the likes of Wright, Jaensch, etc but it would be nice if they'd come out and mention him occasionally.


Still, I'm happy with the ins. Jaensch and Wright deserve their shots, and Shaw coming in for the out-of-form Otten might be the first example of depth forcing someone out of the side we've seen at the Crows in a couple of years. I'm far from sold on McKernan, but I'm generally in favour of anything that keeps Tippett in the forward line as long as possible. I get a feeling he'll monster GWS this weekend anyway. Wonder if the Crows will put Tippett, Walker and McKernan all in the forward line at the same time?

I'm pretty indifferent with regards to Kerridge. He'll get his chance, and last week was really just a cameo courtesy of injury. Let him put that half of AFL footy in the experience bank and play some strong SANFL footy, and he'll be back before we know it.

 

[Schulzycrow]

So who gets Green Vested now that Super Sub Lynch has been shafted..erm I mean rested.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Seconded.

This is exactly the type of game that an ageing soldier such as Doughty should sit it out as the sub for 3 quarters and allow the younger players to taste a good kill if the right effort is put in.

As for the ins and outs, it's impossible to argue with them really.

Johncock DOES have a corky - could have played if it was a GF but this game is at the opposite end of the spectrum. The rest will freshen him up as well. Jaensch is the logical selection having played down back in the NAB cup series and being in very good form.

Shaw had to replace Otten this week. He played well in the NAB cup and his form has been white-hot in the Snaffle, whereas Otten has been playing without confidence. He needs to drop back to get his act together again.

Wright for Kerridge was absolutely a correct call IMO. Kerridge is not being dropped as he wasn't a selection last week in the first place. He was the only one of the emergencies that hadn't played already given that his team had the bye, which is why he filled the vacancy when Henderson dropped out. 3 handballs in one and a half quarters does not say "pick me", and Wright already has shown in his short career that he is very much up to this standard.

Lynch was a little bit stiff - granted. But given the holistic view that Sanderson is taking that Tippett, who is in great form, should stay at CHF virtually the whole game to capitalise on that form. This meant that McKernan had to come in as the 3rd tall forward and relief ruck, which meant that Lynch was, unfortunately for him, the one that had to give way. He'll be back though down the track IMO, as he does offer something up forward.

Yep. Happy with all the 4 ins and outs, and Doughty as the sub would be the icing on the cake for me.

Absolutely agree .....excellent changes and strategy

Said last week IMO we were a tall down and Mckernan gives us options during a game as a forward, defender, and Ruckman ....who else can give us that.

Playing Tippett, Mckernan, and Walker, Sanderson says he needed more ground level support ....hence Wright for Kerridge

Really can't argue with the logic PLUS this is the week everyone said to try something different and rest some players

Don't believe Sando when he says we haven't .......don't listen to the words, look at the actions.

In games to come we'll really need the extra tall as teams are tending to play much taller ATM

 

[NTRabbit]

So who gets Green Vested now that Super Sub Lynch has been shafted..erm I mean rested.

My money would be on Matt Wright

 

[craig crowing]

Last week faced reality that we were not as good as some thought this week we face reality not much changes even with different coach .
Fact is all have their favourites and guys get dumped on.
Really how could Lynch get dropped even if did not want up forward where actually contests and actually leads and can create goals then put him down back where need extra tall. Was not given chance.
Then McKernan back in well here we are again not learning from Sellar experience and how many soft no recovery players do we want up forward could have put Knights in to add another . Brogan will smash him in ruck and how nice will that be to see as was hoping never to see that log of crap Brogan ever again.
Least Jenkins would have been competitive not only this week but in showdown.
Well done Shaw you have earnt spot and will do well .
Why could not Kerridge be given another game when did no worse than many of our so called stars . Not sure Jaensch and Wright bring a lot more to team but least competitive although both lack some speed that we need some how

 

[King Elvis]

It was Walker or Lynch - our forward line isn't balanced with both of them.

I'm not sold on our defensive balance either.

 

[cmndstab]

I suspect Wright will be the sub as well, NTR. He's effectively the replacement for Kerridge.

 

[srv23]

Very disappointed Lynch is out. Has played as a lead up forward, presented well and kicked goals. Tex needs to prove himself against good teams. He could well get touched up by Chudley Cornes which would be embarrassing in what should be a10-15 goal win. Hope Brodie Martin plays through the centre as he is not a back man.

Jesus Christ - this myth that walker only plays well against poor sides keeps getting brought up despite it being proven to not be true. Last year he kicked 2.6 goals per game against good sides (cats hawks eagles saints blues) and 2.3 goals per game against poor sides. He kicked 4 goals on Scarlett as a 19/20 year old ffs. I think he'll be ok on the chad...

 

[jackster83]

Jesus Christ - this myth that walker only plays well against poor sides keeps getting brought up despite it being proven to not be true. Last year he kicked 2.6 goals per game against good sides (cats hawks eagles saints blues) and 2.3 goals per game against poor sides. He kicked 4 goals on Scarlett as a 19/20 year old ffs. I think he'll be ok on the chad...

Did you know that daylight savings fades the curtains?

 

[King Elvis]

Jesus Christ - this myth that walker only plays well against poor sides keeps getting brought up despite it being proven to not be true. Last year he kicked 2.6 goals per game against good sides (cats hawks eagles saints blues) and 2.3 goals per game against poor sides. He kicked 4 goals on Scarlett as a 19/20 year old ffs. I think he'll be ok on the chad...

I thought Tredrea's column on Tex yesterday was pretty spot on.

The fact he scores well against good teams reinforces it - he has enough talent that, when he's switched on, he's going to perform against anybody. On the flipside, when he isn't in the mood, he's not worth having on the field.

Also agree with Tredrea (ugh) that it's purely a mental/maturity thing, and he'll work his way through it sooner or later.

 

[JP Sauce]

Very pleased to see Martin hold his spot. Hopefully we see him in the middle a bit this week.

Good ins, although I disagree with dropping Lynch.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

Utter, utter rubbish. I doubt there's a single club where Kerridge would have got a game if they were in the enviable position of having all of their best 22 players available. Kerridge isn't in our best 22 and until he is he won't be guaranteed an automatic selection every week.

Selecting teenagers for the sake of selecting teenagers is just plain stupid. Players get selected on merit at the AFC, always have - and hopefully always will.

In other news, 18 year old Lachie Neale, pick 58 in last years draft (wasn't Kerridge pick 27?) recovers from injury and plays his first game for Freo. Meanwhile Nick Lower racks up 27 possessions for Perth in the WAFL.

Of course our kids didn't show as much promise in the preseason. We didn't see any good signs from Brown, Grigg, Ellis Yolmen and Joyce despite reports that they were training the house down. Jarryd Lyons, a second year player, was given 84 minutes in the preseason and Dogga was given more game time than Johnston, Jenkins and Riley combined. Lynch and Kerridge spent more time in the fluorescent singlets than on the ground during the MMC.

I am happy to provide a new example every day between now and the midseason break of opportunities provided by other teams to kids if you truly believe your statement above Vader.

 

[Wilburwild]

In other news, 18 year old Lachie Neale, pick 58 in last years draft (wasn't Kerridge pick 27?) recovers from injury and plays his first game for Freo. Meanwhile Nick Lower racks up 27 possessions for Perth in the WAFL.

Of course our kids didn't show as much promise in the preseason. We didn't see any good signs from Brown, Grigg, Ellis Yolmen and Joyce despite reports that they were training the house down. Jarryd Lyons, a second year player, was given 84 minutes in the preseason and Dogga was given more game time than Johnston, Jenkins and Riley combined. Lynch and Kerridge spent more time in the fluorescent singlets than on the ground during the MMC.

I am happy to provide a new example every day between now and the midseason break of opportunities provided by other teams to kids if you truly believe your statement above Vader.

How about, as suggested by many, you return to your own thread on this issue.

Maybe you could barrack for the Giants this weekend, they are playing a lot of kids...

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

Wilburwild, this thread is to discuss changes for the Giants game. I have expressed my concerns about the treatment of Kerridge and Lynch. Isn't it appropriate to outline my justifications for my concerns?

I will post future comments in the applicable thread.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

In other news, 18 year old Lachie Neale, pick 58 in last years draft (wasn't Kerridge pick 27?) recovers from injury and plays his first game for Freo. Meanwhile Nick Lower racks up 27 possessions for Perth in the WAFL.

Of course our kids didn't show as much promise in the preseason. We didn't see any good signs from Brown, Grigg, Ellis Yolmen and Joyce despite reports that they were training the house down. Jarryd Lyons, a second year player, was given 84 minutes in the preseason and Dogga was given more game time than Johnston, Jenkins and Riley combined. Lynch and Kerridge spent more time in the fluorescent singlets than on the ground during the MMC.

I am happy to provide a new example every day between now and the midseason break of opportunities provided by other teams to kids if you truly believe your statement above Vader.

How is Dustin Fletcher going? Is he keeping an 18 yr olds out of the team?

 

[BACCS]

Hey guys, GWS dropped an 18 year old this week to accommodate a 35 year old in McDonald returning, are they not playing the kids?

 

[Cap]

hey guys, gws dropped an 18 year old this week to accommodate a 35 year old in mcdonald returning, are they not playing the kids?

riot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

How is Dustin Fletcher going? Is he keeping an 18 yr olds out of the team?

Are you comparing Callinan, Reilly and Doughty to Fletcher?

Have I ever suggested that we drop Johncock, Scott Thompson or Rutten? If you have noted my comments over the last three years you would know that I have always advocated playing club champions provided they are still in our best 22. My argument is the choice between playing older journeymen in contrast to young kids who show signs that they are ready to step up to the AFL (Shaw, Lyons, Kerridge, Lynch etc).

Do you really believe that Brodie Smith was in our best 22 in round 1 last year? We played him and I believe he is now in our best 22. That's how it works when you are rebuilding.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I thought Tredrea's column on Tex yesterday was pretty spot on.

The fact he scores well against good teams reinforces it - he has enough talent that, when he's switched on, he's going to perform against anybody. On the flipside, when he isn't in the mood, he's not worth having on the field.

Also agree with Tredrea (ugh) that it's purely a mental/maturity thing, and he'll work his way through it sooner or later.

Maturity is the key.

I also think he doesn't play well when the rest of the side stinks. When the team is up and firing (against good or bad) he can perform to his best but when the team is struggling, he will struggle and look disinterested.

The area where I have seen improvement this year was during the Collingwood and West Coast preseason game where turned the game around on his own. The team was abit flat and he turned it around with a few 1% ers and pressure acts and then goals and this changed the momentum of the game.

He is still a work in progress and will have his down moments (like last weeks gane) but this year he has shown improvement.