Preview Changes: R3 vs Gold Coast

[ABAB]

And handball at feet

His role is finding space to take marks and deliver the ball from defence to forward using his kick.

 

[cleanhands]

His role is finding space to take marks and deliver the ball from defence to forward using his kick.

So he’s told not to handballs?

 

[ABAB]

So he’s told not to handballs?

Not his biggest weapon....

 

[cleanhands]

Not his biggest weapon....

Obviously he’s shite at it

 

[Pugsley]

I'm sure he usually hit those 45 degree kicks centre kicks after taking the mark?

He does. Usually being the key word.

 

[1970crow]

Again, I'm all for Mackay being an emergency every game if it means he doesn't play. Often has done it previously

We need games into the kids, whatever level that might be. DMac will perform the same regardless.

Mackay has been emergency in the past. No doubt, this is true. Reality is that his emergenciness has led to selection, even when he hasn't even played a game. Using the fact that Mackay won't be selected based upon him being emergency basically ignores his history as emergency over the last few years when he's found himself outside of the 22. I'm not sure what you're actually arguing. You're bascially saying that because Dmac is emergency that he won't play because he's been emergency in the past but then he's always played either immediately or soon after being emergency.

 

[Vader]

Nah, Lynch is a downhill skier. He gets a lot of the ball even when we lose, but the story is always the same. Low impact, lots of turnovers and getting a lot of the ball in the defensive half in the field.

The only thing you could argue is its an indicator of our work rate dropping off, and that causing the drop off in skill. Still, it's been a long term trend.

That's not the mark of a downhill skier. It may be the mark of a "barometer" player, but definitely not a downhill skier.

 

[hey shorty]

Mackay has been emergency in the past. No doubt, this is true. Reality is that his emergenciness has led to selection, even when he hasn't even played a game. Using the fact that Mackay won't be selected based upon him being emergency basically ignores his history as emergency over the last few years when he's found himself outside of the 22. I'm not sure what you're actually arguing. You're bascially saying that because Dmac is emergency that he won't play because he's been emergency in the past but then he's always played either immediately or soon after being emergency.

What I'm saying is that his selection NOW means that, not previously.

The fact he hasn't played in the first 2 games and especially last night means a bit. Normally off a long break you'd pick your best prepared guys, and normally that's DMac. I was almost certain he would be in the 22 come Thursday.

He wasn't.

 

[1970crow]

Can you please stop having personal attacks at me? I don’t feel I need to report your posts yet, but this is bordering on an obsession from you. Depending on your reply here I think I’ll have to put you on ignore, I hope you do the same if you don’t like what I post.

You constantly default to club decision support despite so much evidence that there's an issue within. Even when Macca came out and identified issues from his perspective, you jumped to the club's defense and was happy to burn Macca in the process. You are quick to react to any negative view of the club as a whole. And this is after a forced review of only the footy dept resulted in the removal of some toxic individuals. People that I and others had identified as problematic years before.

I don't care if you put me on ignore, you can join Kristof. You can even brag about it and post petty but unrepliable digs at me at every opportunity as well. I don't care. If I need to read club sanctioned rubbish, I can get it from the club every day of the week. You need to have a look at yourself and consider whether your inbuilt distaste for anyone speaking out against the club is about them or whether they might actually be close to correct. I don't know why you have argued against every reasonable criticism of the club over the last few years, but that's not important for me to know. What I do know, is that you support the club regardless and argue incessantly against anyone arguing different. And it's only external consultants that can change your view. Had the review not happened, you'd have not changed your mind. You'd be here supporting everything that the club does.

Put me on ignore. Or don't. At least if you don't, you'll not be like Kristof that couldn't handle continual querying of his beliefs. It's better to think and be wrong than believe.

 

[1970crow]

I know many on here don’t rate Kelly high fly, but I reckon losing him last night messed up our defensive structure and forced Doedee into more of a lockdown role.

I think going from 22 to 21 had an impact. But I don't think it was the defensive nature of our backs that was the problem. Our backs couldn't set up a thrust that got anywhere more attacking than the centre line Jake wouldn't have helped in that regard. Losing a defensive back was the least of our problems. I will say this, despite a 1 on 1 loss, I think we were better with Lynch behind the ball. He can play, but that 'link man' role fails when we're struggling.

 

[hey shorty]

I think going from 22 to 21 had an impact. But I don't think it was the defensive nature of our backs that was the problem. Our backs couldn't set up a thrust that got anywhere more attacking than the centre line Jake wouldn't have helped in that regard. Losing a defensive back was the least of our problems. I will say this, despite a 1 on 1 loss, I think we were better with Lynch behind the ball. He can play, but that 'link man' role fails when we're struggling.

In his early days here he played behind the ball a bit, and certainly with the Bays in the SANFL. Its worth a try.

 

[1970crow]

I think we should play Butts instead of Kelly in that structure.

McAsey was hung out to dry and looks like a player who is trying his hardest in a team with virtually zero structure or system.

Adding another genuine tall could help him out a lot. Kelly just isn't the player you want in order to shift McAsey into a third tall role

Another tall? I reckon you're going in the exact wrong decision. We've got enough spoiling and marking power in defence already. What we need to do is exit the area without it being likely that it will just return prior to getting past the HFF square line. Before we beef up our defensive aspect, I think we should be looking at how much the extraction from that area results in repeat reversals.

Compare to us. How often do opponents exits from our 50 result in a return before the centre square line has been breached?

 

[Cockwomble]

I get a feeling of confidence when the Fog is in the guts, just doesn’t get in there enough. Bring in the Butts, give the dood a couple of spells running through the centre as well.

 

[hey shorty]

Another tall? I reckon you're going in the exact wrong decision. We've got enough spoiling and marking power in defence already. What we need to do is exit the area without it being likely that it will just return prior to getting past the HFF square line. Before we beef up our defensive aspect, I think we should be looking at how much the extraction from that area results in repeat reversals.

Compare to us. How often do opponents exits from our 50 result in a return before the centre square line has been breached?

That's probably why Lynch back might not work, his delivery is woeful at times

 

[Mutineer]

 

[Mutineer]

 

[1970crow]

It is always nice to have company on a hill I'm willing to die on.

It's a call that I feel has aged very well though. It also wasn't hard because Lynchs role really was just a bandaid to try to mitigate an underperforming midfield/whatever else we were trying to do.

And he rarely looked better than C+ grade unless we were humming in the middle and out of the back 50. Could have added him to a first rounder and ended up being a chance to get Rozee type if we'd tried.

 

[robboaustralia]

Can we move Murphy to defence? He just does not score enough but his pressure is good.

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[1970crow]

I'm not sure that makes him a downhill skier, it just makes him past his best

I think his and JJ's reputations have been built upon 2016/17 when our midfield was largely on top and our defense was rebounding really well. Neither can get their own ball when things aren't going right. JJ couldn't create an aerial contest and Lynch just runs up and back waiting for an uncontested possession. Lynch's half forward role needs to be able to make a different in ground ball contests, that's why you build a tank. Not to run up and back waiting to get hit up without pressure and turning inside and ****ing everything up. Every player needs to be able to get their own ball in a contest regularly. Every player needs to have an appetite for the contest when they're there already and also to get to the next contest to help their mates out. Anybody that thinks footy has changed that much has rocks in their heads.

 

[Golumless]

That's not the mark of a downhill skier. It may be the mark of a "barometer" player, but definitely not a downhill skier.

Calling someone a "barometer" is such a nice way to phrase downhill skiers.

Generally, if you perform well when the going is good, and fall apart (either through being unable to get the ball or you routinely cannot impact the game with the ball due to lacking certain skills), you're a downhill skier. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, as having a couple of players being able to capitalise on momentum is useful, but lets call a spade a spade here.

 

[1970crow]

That's not the mark of a downhill skier. It may be the mark of a "barometer" player, but definitely not a downhill skier.

This barometer and downhill skier argument makes me laugh. They're the same. There is no barometer, there only exists downhill skiers. The test is how well do those players play in a loss. Is it similar to when they play in a win?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

McAdam needs to be picked. I don’t care about his work rate or fitness. That’s crows talk. He is talented. Pick him.

 

[hey shorty]

Calling someone a "barometer" is such a nice way to phrase downhill skiers.

Generally, if you perform well when the going is good, and fall apart (either through being unable to get the ball or you routinely cannot impact the game with the ball due to lacking certain skills), you're a downhill skier. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, as having a couple of players being able to capitalise on momentum is useful, but lets call a spade a spade here.

See that's why I don't think he's a downhill skier. Last night he worked as hard as anyone up and back, and created space for players to run into.

His effort is generally the same every week, his execution is what differs.

 

[Golumless]

Can we move Murphy to defence? He just does not score enough but his pressure is good.

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Nah, Murphy is the type who is a small forward or out of the league. He has enough pressure to impact there (when we're not getting belted), and defensive pressure is ridiculously valuable in the forward 50 (whereas, having players specialising in offering pressure does lower in value in defence, just because you should have extra numbers in that section of the field). His future will dictate on if he can get up to around 30 goals a season.

When it comes to defence, Murphy is quick which could see him offer something on the rebound, however, I wouldn't say Murph is that good of a kick to be worthwhile (seeing he does lack a bit of class), especially whilst we have a lot of options. Factoring in that you'd lower the possible gain from his biggest asset and it doesn't seem like a good fit.

The first question for anyone who is in defence - can they offer anything offensively. The second question, are they really that shit, tools wise, that sacrificing them in a dour role is worthwhile?

 

[cleanhands]

See that's why I don't think he's a downhill skier. Last night he worked as hard as anyone up and back, and created space for players to run into.

His effort is generally the same every week, his execution is what differs.

Effort may not change but it’s the performance