Preview Changes: R4 vs Brisbane

[Crows I Am]

So we have lost both wingers. Who have we recruited as a winger?
We dont have 1 replacement let alone 2.

Sloane should be on the wing, not in the middle.

 

[1970crow]

Hamill

That would be just like us. The one player who showed a bit of dare out of the backline to move up to a wing to be replaced by Gibbs who will play lock down again. So he can stand on the wing and wait for the 50m bomb to a pack from our backline players. Of course he'll be crap, so he'll get dropped, but Gibbs was great with his 8 disposals in a lock down role, so he'll stay. You can just see it happening.

 

[Doc_]

Hamill

Hamill was recruited as a defender.

Sloane should be on the wing, not in the middle.

Or HBF

 

[Bay62]

That would be just like us. The one player who showed a bit of dare out of the backline to move up to a wing to be replaced by Gibbs who will play lock down again. So he can stand on the wing and wait for the 50m bomb to a pack from our backline players. Of course he'll be crap, so he'll get dropped, but Gibbs was great with his 8 disposals in a lock down role, so he'll stay. You can just see it happening.

Laughing because otherwise I’d be crying

 

[DJ75]

It feels like every week is a test for Nicks when it comes to selection.

So far, he has passed the tests. Selections for rounds 2 & 3 were really good.

The challenge now, is does he have the courage to move on the senior players who aren't performing? We keep going back to Crouch, Crouch and Sloane in the middle, despite mounting evidence they are not and will not get the job done. Does he have the courage to remove them? Will he drop them?
Will he drop Walker? Will Laird be held to account? How long will he accept Lynch's completely ineffective (and often actually damaging to us) possessions?

Poor bugger has walked in to an absolute mess.

 

[Golumless]

That would be just like us. The one player who showed a bit of dare out of the backline to move up to a wing to be replaced by Gibbs who will play lock down again. So he can stand on the wing and wait for the 50m bomb to a pack from our backline players. Of course he'll be crap, so he'll get dropped, but Gibbs was great with his 8 disposals in a lock down role, so he'll stay. You can just see it happening.

Yup. Like, don't get me wrong. I love the promotion for Hamill, and really, it probably indicates he's in the side for the long haul as this is a direct promotion (as half back and wing are effectively the same role but at a different part of the ground)... Gibbs though is a 'yikes fam' moment.

Especially as we've lost 3 outside players in the last fortnight, surely you have to play Sholl in this case. Like he is it for our outside depth. Unless we're going to do something crazy like Jones in defence for a while, which is not the worst idea in the world, just because it'll give easy ball and Jones is quick, or even Sloane.

 

[jackster83]

Sholl, Butts and Davis were all around the mark in the preseason. Not sure why they aren't even in consideration now.

 

[hey shorty]

I don't mind Hamill on a wing per se, he's got run and dash and perhaps we can use him upfield to deliver the pill.

But only in the instance it means we bring Sholl into defence.

For that to happen we would need to drop Laird..... And we should

 

[Kezza86]

That's structure/coaching, our rucks have done this for years.

Shows how players are like robots now days. A punch out of the ruck makes it unpredictable.

 

[cleanhands]

Shows how players are like robots now days. A punch out of the ruck makes it unpredictable.

That’s when players could play on instinct and their natural game, now it’s so regimented that if it doesn’t come off it’s a complete failure

 

[cleanhands]

“Adapt,Improvise,Overcome”

 

[Canuck_Crow]

There are arguments for both sides, it’s hard to make a call unless you know the makeup of he young player involved, some can make the transition unaffected some struggle, it’s not as simple as just give them a game, that’s where good development coaches come in

absolutely correct, just wanted to play a thought experiment. I know that the way carlton and the suns have gone about it has hurt their development I am just wondering if there is a better way to progress, that doesnt involve insipid senior players like Gibbs

 

[Danger Zone]

The only way I'd be happy to see Hartigan in the side is if we've been developing him to play 2nd Ruck. Then we can plonk McAsey in the forward line and bring him back as a swingman when needed.

 

[cleanhands]

absolutely correct, just wanted to play a thought experiment. I know that the way carlton and the suns have gone about it has hurt their development I am just wondering if there is a better way to progress, that doesnt involve insipid senior players like Gibbs

Good leadership from senior players with the right attitude who care about the sides development, as we know cancer can spread quickly, “ the best football department in the land” would also play a strong part

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Sholl, Butts and Davis were all around the mark in the preseason. Not sure why they aren't even in consideration now.

Because its better to continue with the tried and failed, hoping that sometime in the next 50 years they'll come good.

Gutless culture.

 

[SaltPeter]

Well that rustled a few jimmies

 

[Thetrader15]

The only way I'd be happy to see Hartigan in the side is if we've been developing him to play 2nd Ruck. Then we can plonk McAsey in the forward line and bring him back as a swingman when needed.

I don't mind this idea...though for what Hartigan would offer in the ruck, you may as well play Berg up forward

 

[Mutineer]

Hamill was recruited as a defender.

Or HBF

Not totally correct, played predominantly across half back for the Dandenong Stingrays but also played some decent midfield at times and I suspect given his height and potential to fill out with maturity I think long term Hamish and the team had bigger plans than just defence for Will into the future. I think we were lucky to take Will where we did because the Saints were reportedly pretty keen on him with their next pick.

 

[Golumless]

Sholl, Butts and Davis were all around the mark in the preseason. Not sure why they aren't even in consideration now.

I mean, Butts is kind of understandable with Doedee and McAsey in defence.

Davis should never have been dropped, though right now, I'm ok with Crocker getting 2-3 more games. Only because I am a believer that 4-5 games is an adequate sample size for a player to be judged on. Can live with this one, for now. Sholl really should be playing, especially as we are now at the bottom of the barrel with outside skills.

Mind you, I don't expect Gibbs to be selected and think we'll opt for Poholke as the Seedsman replacement. Inside is where we have been struggling and that's what Myles offers.

 

[Golumless]

devils advocate, what damage does it do to younger players to be surrounded by "no bruise" footballers who arent able to get themselves to elite standard of fitness and aren't prepared to do the hard work on the field. would it make more sense to trust in the younger players to create their own culture, under guidance and support of coaches (not that we bloody have any)and allow those players to struggle but when they slowly rise on the other end it is something they created, as opposed to being nursed until they are ready.

It does a lot. You need experienced players who can act as the leaders fo a football club. Right now, ours aren't capable outside of Talia as they're all damaged beyond repair. We absolutely need to be offering contracts to Issac Smith and Shannon Hurn this offseason to try to get some people capable of showing what good sides do in.

Beyond that, the best thing we can do is that. Give ownership to the young players. Get them doing all of the basics, whilst playing with a bit of freedom and try to inject some hunger and energy in the group. It too might cause one or two senior players to step back from the brink as well, though, I doubt it. To the clubs credit, we have been slowly doing that, as we are fast becoming the least experienced side in the league.

 

[rocket18]

Our midfield plans is best described like this;

Guys, I'm going to try to drop the ball at my feet. Hopefully we will manage to then hold the ball in a pack so we can re-set and have another ball up. Then I'm going to try to drop the ball at my feet. Hopefully....

Doc Clarke loves this post.

His whole career consisted of tapwork to a maximum radius of 1m around his body.

 

[relapse]

I wish the AFL would get rid of the Sunday team selection rule.

The side should be picked on Thursday and that's it, with emergencies there's absolutely no logical reason at all for the 24 hour delay.

 

[Trigger13]

This is the time to throw magnets around. Be inventive. Reinvent players. Revive careers. Work out who is worth retaining.

Whether that’s throwing Tex to the half back line, playing Murphy as a small defender, trying Berg as a key defender. Anything. something.

And if the club does anything at all, stick Jones on the ball and BLOODY keep him there.

I’m starting to sound like a jaded old man at 37. This club will do that. Thanks for listening.

 

[Pugsley]

This is the time to throw magnets around. Be inventive. Reinvent players. Revive careers. Work out who is worth retaining.

Whether that’s throwing Tex to the half back line, playing Murphy as a small defender, trying Berg as a key defender. Anything. something.

And if the club does anything at all, stick Jones on the ball and BLOODY keep him there.

I’m starting to sound like a jaded old man at 37. This club will do that. Thanks for listening.

You sound like Dale Lewis.

 

[Danger Zone]

This is the team I'd like to see in a couple of weeks.

FF: McAdam Berg/Frampton Stengle
HF: Lynch Fog Brouch
C: Sloane Jones Gallucci
HB: Sholl McAsey Smith
FB: Brown Talia Doedee
R: ROB Mrouch Poholke
I: McHenry, Hamill, Butts/McPherson, Crocker/Davis/Keays
E: 4 of Seedsman (Wing only!), Laird, Kelly, + those named with / but missed out

Out due to injury: Milera
Not to be played again unless required by injury: Hartigan, Gibbs, Tex, Mackay, Atkins, Knight, Wilson
Not ready yet: Shoenberg, O'Connor, Gollant, Worrell
To be trialled in a new position in reserves: Murphy
Unlikely to ever play a game: Strachan, Taylor