Prediction Changes: Round 15 Vs Essendon + prematch discussion

[Snuffaluphagus]

Only cause I threw in Henry to bait you

ACHTUALLY I thought Sturt was better and I nearly withdraw my highly valuable like, but I agreed with the first sentence too much so had to commit =)

 

[Footskill]

I honestly don't think Cox has been as bad as people are making him out to be. He's had a couple of shocking games (Richmond and Brisbane stand out) but for the most part he's been decent defensively with 1 or 2 shocking moments in the game that people dwell on because the way he plays (looks, slow, lazy etc) makes them look even worse.

Nah for mine. Cox been pretty bad. Just lack of effort. I know he is laconic by nature but he was sleep walking in some instances

But I think the whole defense been down this year because of the relentless pressure placed on them when we get smacked at the clearances and stoppages. That purple patch we had they improved alot and don't think that was coincidental

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Look what you've down, you've got me and Footskill's agreeing. You are taking opinions way way to personally and just firing off at everyone. s_wd6 even mostly agrees with your opinion on Ryan.

I haven't "fired off" at anyone.
I was stunned when the squads were announced so I did actual research on what similar selection decisions had ever been taken at any serious level of Australian Rules football.

The fact you and multiple other posters then choose to see it as me "over reacting" when the basic facts speak for themselves, says more about the group think and pro JLo vibe than anything else could.

 

[s_wd6]

I'm not clamouring for him to be dropped like I'm not clamouring Ryan to be dropped but I think shocking moment in a game are worth additional scrutiny tbh

Look I'm not denying it, but I also think some of his shocking moments get dwelled on/scrutinised more than others because the way he plays looks like he lacks a sense of energy and urgency. Which I don't think is necessarily true.

 

[mattis117]

You still don't answer any of the actual questions I listed.

Any time you want to get past emojis and facebook likes and actually check the facts go ahead.
Maybe then you can respond to my post with actual facts.

You won't, because neither you nor your previous alias accounts have ever bothered with actual facts ahead of insults.

I like how you repeatedly leave out the other things Sturt did, as if it was some statistical anomally that he kicked nearly half our score, and as if he did nothing else for the whole rest of the game for the team. He actually did score 49% of our score (and if he had kicked straight, or been less selfless in giving off easy goals to others, it would have been more than half our score). Plus the tackles. Plus the score involvements. Plus the repeat efforts across the whole ground. Only to get dumped while others stay in.

Of course you don't actually respond to my factual questions, just dump a bunch of emojis and then attack me as dumb.

JOM has been garbage all season, Henry was gifted multiple games at the start of the year (see any of the game day selection threads from any of the first five weeks, multiple posters say the same thing, he was called as an out for multiple weeks at the start of the year by over 80% of posters in the changes threads each week). Henry was garbage against GWS, not even best 20 players.

You clearly get your personal jollies from attacking my posts and denigrating Sturt. Fine, good luck to you.

Your inability to make reasoned arguments is not worth my time, I learned a long time ago not to get into extended debates with people who over react emotionally and aren't looking to change their opinion or learn. You're looking for a fight and you will fight the same position to the death.

This is dumb.

The points you're making are nonsensical.

Keep defending that hill that no one else is fighting for.

Cya.

 

[s_wd6]

Nah for mine. Cox been pretty bad. Just lack of effort. I know he is laconic by nature but he was sleep walking in some instances

But I think the whole defense been down this year because of the relentless pressure placed on them when we get smacked at the clearances and stoppages. That purple patch we had they improved alot and don't think that was coincidental

Some people are irrational with their ratings of Sturt, you are sometimes irrational with your rating of Banfield. Cox is the one for me. No matter how poor he does I'll always be biased with the way I view his performances.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Your inability to make reasoned arguments is not worth my time, I learned a long time ago not to get into extended debates with people who over react emotionally and aren't looking to change their opinion or learn. You're looking for a fight and you will fight the same position to the death.

This is dumb.

The points you're making are nonsensical.

Keep defending that hill that no one else is fighting for.

Cya.

Why can't you just answer my basic factual questions:

Have we ever in our history ever dumped, for non disciplinary reasons, a player who scored nearly half our score and laid our third most tackles? Ever, in our entire history?

Follow up question 1 - has any other AFL side ever done that (dumped, for non disciplinary reasons, a player who scored nearly half the team's score and laid the third most tackles for the team)??

Follow up question 2 - has any VFL side ever done that (dumped, for non disciplinary reasons, a player who scored nearly half the team's score and laid the third most tackles for the team)??

Follow up question 3 - has any WAFL side ever done that (dumped, for non disciplinary reasons, a player who scored nearly half the team's score and laid the third most tackles for the team)??

 

[apuchar]

Get Fitter, Get stronger, develop an AFL tank, not drop so many easy marks

Find a left foot.

 

[King Tenz]

Damn, shit popping off in here huh.

I don't think Sturt should've been dropped either but who else you dropping instead? Henry, maybe? I would've been alright with that.

 

[s_wd6]

Why can't you just answer my basic factual questions:

Have we ever in our history ever dumped, for non disciplinary reasons, a player who scored nearly half our score and laid our third most tackles? Ever, in our entire history?

Follow up question 1 - has any other AFL side ever done that (dumped, for non disciplinary reasons, a player who scored nearly half the team's score and laid the third most tackles for the team)??

Follow up question 2 - has any VFL side ever done that (dumped, for non disciplinary reasons, a player who scored nearly half the team's score and laid the third most tackles for the team)??

Follow up question 3 - has any WAFL side ever done that (dumped, for non disciplinary reasons, a player who scored nearly half the team's score and laid the third most tackles for the team)??

"Third most tackles" mf he had 4 tackles. 6 players had the 4th most tackles.

 

[sherrif]

Ryan is probably going to finish top 5 in the doig this year.

Yep. People have short memories. It was only three weeks ago Ryan was being talked about in midseason All Australian contention. I'm also pretty sure Hayden Young was on Greene early on. A couple of the Greene goals were a direct result of errors by team mates. Cox had an absolute shocker and dropped two marks that resulted in goals for Greene.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

"Third most tackles" mf he had 4 tackles. 6 players had the 4th most tackles.

Fine, so it should be really, really, really easy to find a similar circumstance (in any league, jeez maybe even in the ammos) when a player was dumped after such an effort across multiple indicators.

 

[s_wd6]

Yep. People have short memories. It was only three weeks ago Ryan was being talked about in midseason All Australian contention. I'm also pretty sure Hayden Young was on Greene early on. A couple of the Greene goals were a direct result of errors by team mates. Cox had an absolute shocker and dropped two marks that resulted in goals for Greene.

Sorry WHO was talking about Ryan as AA? Because I remember him in some mid season teams last year when he was far from it. Those people that have him in are those that look at stats only and have barely watched freo play.

There were a couple goals Greene kicked where he had no body on him at all. That should have been Ryan.

 

[s_wd6]

Fine, so it should be really, really, really easy to find a similar circumstance (in any league, jeez maybe even in the ammos) when a player was dumped after such an effort across multiple indicators.

How about you first go find instances of games where a player has had exaclty 49% of their teams scores as well as having the third most tackles. It either takes a really good player, or a really shit team for 1 player to kick 49% of your score.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Damn, s**t popping off in here huh.

I don't think Sturt should've been dropped either but who else you dropping instead? Henry, maybe? I would've been alright with that.

Any of JOM, Henry, Hughes, Ryan or even have Fyfe back to sub.
Not leaving Sturt in the starting 18 after that effort just sends a fundamental message of negativity to all the fringe and young players, while also reassuring JOM, Hughes, Henry and Ryan that they will be just fine no matter what happens on field.

I guess I should be greatful Banfield finally got dropped, watch him come in as a late sub when either Darcy or Freddy don't come up for the game.
Protected ****ing species.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I haven't "fired off" at anyone.
I was stunned when the squads were announced so I did actual research on what similar selection decisions had ever been taken at any serious level of Australian Rules football.

The fact you and multiple other posters then choose to see it as me "over reacting" when the basic facts speak for themselves, says more about the group think and pro JLo vibe than anything else could.

Multiple people in here believe you are firing off at them. I suppose you and I think differently in this regard because if I had multiple people (and they are all good posters for the most part) telling me I am over reacting I would reflect on trying to get my point off differently.

I've been as big a supporter of Sturt as anyone on here as I know you're aware because you've liked or loved several of my posts where I do it but I recognise it's a tough call for the role he plays and it looks like they are moving Freddy more to the wing this week.

I am not pro-JL (I replied to you recently saying I think it might be a different coach that takes us to the next level), I am pro reason though.

 

[Nothing]

Ryan Murphy

Ryan Murphy

Age

40

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.9

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

4.6

1star

K

3.6

2star

HB

1.0

2star

M

2.4

3star

T

0.4

3star

G

0.4

3star

was dropped after kicking 100% of our goals.

 

[apuchar]

Check your own stats, on 4 of the indicators you just quoted Sturt meets your "criteria" to stay in - and funnily enough your "criteria" just focus on Sturts performance, and let off the hook anyone else in the team who is performing worse than him on the same weeks against the same stats.

I didn't "cherry pick" any stats. Sturt was named in our best across multiple game reports from multiple sources, yet he gets dumped and the same old same old stay in despite each of them being fundamentally abysmal in the same game, and across the whole season.

I don't agree with the decision either but if he makes sub I won't be quite as peeved. He is getting to the point where he can make himself dangerous and the team is starting to look for him, so he may be able to have a impact. Not sure he has the biggest tank yet, so it may give him an opportunity to have a high impact when he comes on with reduced minutes. It's up to him to getting his kicking right though .

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

How about you first go find instances of games where a player has had exaclty 49% of their teams scores as well as having the third most tackles. It either takes a really good player, or a really s**t team for 1 player to kick 49% of your score.

In either case the player who has kicked it has stayed in the best 18 for the next week (hint - it is over 470 instances where this has happened just at WAFL level, and more than 950 instances at VFL level. Over 220 games since AFL came in. Not one of them ever dropped.)

Keep denigrating how bad our performance as a team was against GWS, keep it up - none of that justifies dumping our best player - as evidenced by how few teams have ever, ever, ever done that to a player with similar stats across the years (and gosh some of those teams have been way, way, way worse than we were against GWS).

 

[apuchar]

Ryan Murphy was dropped after kicking 100% of our goals.

Two wrong s don't make a right but it is a precedent I guess. Most of the coaches just copy each other anyway.

 

[s_wd6]

In either case the player who has kicked it has stayed in the best 18 for the next week (hint - it is over 470 instances where this has happened just at WAFL level, and more than 950 instances at VFL level. Over 220 games since AFL came in. Not one of them ever dropped.)

Keep denigrating how bad our performance as a team was against GWS, keep it up - none of that justifies dumping our best player - as evidenced by how few teams have ever, ever, ever done that to a player with similar stats across the years (and gosh some of those teams have been way, way, way worse than we were against GWS).

Best player lol.

Give me your B22 for this week.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Ryan Murphy was dropped after kicking 100% of our goals.

Yes but the tackle count and SA/SI stats undid his candidacy - don't worry I actually picked the Adelaide game as the one where we would have dropped someone similar the next week, I was sure I had seen Rhyno tackle multiple players but no it was just the one goal he had...

Same thing with a couple of our worst games in 1997 and 2000, 2001 and 2009, I was sure we had had someone that had kicked a few goals, made some tackles and dished out some assists - but nope.

 

[Nothing]

Two wrong s don't make a right but it is a precedent I guess. Most of the coaches just copy each other anyway.

I don't really have a horse in this race just remember Murphy getting dropped

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

"Third most tackles" mf he had 4 tackles. 6 players had the 4th most tackles.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on the "mf" here and assume it means "my friend"

This will also act as the one warning before things get out of hand that if people cant discourse friendly, it will be day-off to give the thread a chance to calm down

 

[s_wd6]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on the "mf" here and assume it means "my friend"

This will also act as the one warning before things get out of hand that if people cant discourse friendly, it will be day-off to give the thread a chance to calm down

What else could I possibly mean by that?