Opinion Changes v giants

[Yojimbo]

Daniel was very good last night.

He had 4 x Kicks and 11 x Handballs to follow up his 10 x Kicks , 10 x Handballs from round one.

2 x Games = 278 Metres Gained, he is not a lockdown defender is he ?

 

[Charlie Bucket]

He had 4 x Kicks and 11 x Handballs to follow up his 10 x Kicks , 10 x Handballs from round one.

2 x Games = 278 Metres Gained, he is not a lockdown defender is he ?

After his skill error out on the full in the first minute of the game, Daniel nailed 13 of 14 disposals. Many of them negating surrounding pressure across not only the back half but further up the ground.
Even a stats man like yourself could see Daniel was good last night.
I still have faith in you Yojimbo.

 

[LondonBulldog]

Daniel holds the ball up .... by waiting for the best option to present itself, then 9 times out of 10 puts a perfectly weighted kick or handball into the bread basket of someone in space that opens the game up completely for us.

Yep, think I'll take that.

(I might have posted this in wrong thread, but whatever)

After his skill error out on the full in the first minute of the game, Daniel nailed 13 of 14 disposals. Many of them negating surrounding pressure across not only the back half but further up the ground.
Even a stats man like yourself could see Daniel was good last night.
I still have faith in you Yojimbo.

4 kicks from a creative half back is not good enough.

 

[bones54]

FB: Cordy Trengrove Duryea

HB: Williams Keath Crozier

C: Macrae Bont JJ

HF: Schache Bruce Jong

FF: Richards Naughton Wallis

R: English Smith Dunkley

I: Libba McLean Daniel Lipinski

In: Trengrove, Cordy, McLean, Libba, Schache, Duryea (if unavailable then keep Suckling in)
Out: Lloyd, Dale, Gowers, Gardner, Vandermeer, Suckling

Rationale:
Lloyd and Dale have looked poor over the first couple of games, and it was concerning how easily the Saints walked the ball out of defence. If they're not kicking goals, they don't offer much else.
Nothing against Gowers and Gardner personally, but they don't currently look up to AFL standard.
Suckling just hasn't had a big enough impact. We looked slow and soft last night, and I don't think he helps in these areas.
Vandermeer is stiff, played ok last night but honestly just don't think he's in our best 22 at the moment.

I'd play Schache as a high half-forward and let him use his tank to push up to the wings.
Libba a no-brainer in my opinion, we're currently getting smashed around the ball.
Backline looks much solider with Trengrove-Keath-Cordy as 1-2-3. May hurt our rebound a bit but I'd rather pick a few defenders who defend first and rebound second. Ditto with Duryea. Trengrove could also chop out English a bit.
McLean to play primarily in the mids with stints forward.
I'd be open to playing Daniel across half-forward, where he can use his short passes into the forward 50.
Richards forward to add a bit of pace.
JJ onto a wing to try and get him into the game a bit more, currently not providing much drive from defence, and not a lockdown defender either.

Certainly a couple of line-ball calls in there but I think these teams looks a lot better on paper than what we're currently lining up with. Thoughts?

 

[Charlie Bucket]

4 kicks from a creative half back is not good enough.

You can only hit up a kick target if you have one.
He was caught up in congestion a hell of a lot last night, as were most of our players.
Daniel makes good decisions whether it be by hand or foot and last night his hand was forced (no pun intended) by what his teammates were doing, or not doing in last nights case.
He’s not getting the 3 Brownlow votes but out of a pretty shit bunch, Daniel was pretty good.

 

[Yojimbo]

I still have faith in you Yojimbo.

Thank you, Charlie Bucket.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Not having VFL makes things tricky because there are some good players in our team that are incredibly rusty (e.g. Lloyd). Do you drop them with full knowledge they're not actually going to get better as quickly as they would previously? Do you keep them in and wait for them to pick it up?

There are similar issues with guys like English. I get it, we love him, he shows great promise. At present, though, he is more often not up to it than he is up to it. Not having a young ruck play every week is a good way to mess up their development though. Ordinarily I'd probably drop him, but in this situation I'm not comfortable doing so.

I also think a chunk of the problem is being rusty. Yes, it's a concern that we're rustier than other teams with the same layoffs etc - but dropping 12 players every week we get smashed isn't going to fix the problem. We just aren't a very good team right now, but I get the temptation to make six changes.

All I know is that Gardner simply has to go, with Gowers not far behind him. Dale on incredibly thin ice as well. Beyond that, I'm inclined to keep it the same, though I'm not enamoured with Suckling, Richards, Lloyd, or English. I think Vandermeer did enough to have another go - he did some really nice things. Jong made his usual harebrained passage-destroying skill/decision errors which cost us at least three shots on goal, but given his intensity and ability to get the ball there's no way you can drop him this week.

If Duryea is fit he simply has to play, but I don't know that he is. Ditto Wood. If neither are you need to look to Libba/Smith/West - someone that can get their hands dirty and play a bit on the ball.

If we want another tall defender but are sick of Cordy (hence Gardner's selection), you simply have to go with Trengove. He makes some dumb decisions and is slow as treacle - but the advantage he has over Gardner is that he has some idea of what to do on a football field. Can give English a break too.

McLean should play at the expense of a flanker. Too many of the selected team yesterday don't play midfield well (e.g. Lloyd, Dale, Richards, Vandermeer, Suckling, Jong, Gowers, Wallis). We simply need rotations through there when they're not in their best form. I get the criticism - he is a poor forward that doesn't play half forward well, and on paper our midfield is better than him. On present form, though, they're not, and nobody plays half forward well. He should cycle through the middle more than he ordinarily would.

I think there is some merit in playing Schache - he's good for a goal or two and can let Naughton stay closer to goal, but I'm not exactly jumping up and down to add another tall in at the moment when we're so desperately craving power through the middle. I'd hold off there for now, as much as I do think he should be playing if we were naming our best team.

Out - Gardner, Gowers, Dale
In - Trengove, Duryea/Wood/Libba/Smith, McLean

FB: Williams - Trengove - Crozier
HB: Johannisen - Keath - Daniel
C: Smith - Bontempelli - Lipinski
HF: Jong - Naughton - Wallis
FF: Lloyd - Bruce - Richards
R: English - Dunkley - Macrae
I: McLean - Suckling - Vandermeer - Duryea/Wood/Libba/Smith

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

4 kicks from a creative half back is not good enough.

It's hard to be creative when the opposition is pressing with absolutely no regard for defence because they know we'll **** it up and give them a shot on goal.

Daniel was, regrettably, one of our better players last night.

 

[ringa5]

It amazes me how everyone will always think to replace an individual will fix it.
Yes sure replace Gardiner .And Bev should
Be made accountable for playing him over proven players.
But our problem is players aren't showing cohesion or aren't psychological motivated or wanting the contest.We are not alone.
And this season it's understandable.

 

[Yojimbo]

B: Lewis Young, Aaron Naughton, Lachie Young
HB: Hayden Crozier, Alex Keath, Bailey Williams
C: Jason Johannisen, Jackson Macrae, Marcus Bontempelli
HF: Toby McLean, Josh Schache, Patrick Lipinski
F: Tim English, Josh Bruce, Sam Lloyd

Foll: Jordon Sweet, Bailey Smith, Rhylee West

I/C: Josh Dunkley, Matthew Suckling, Laitham Vandermeer, Will Hayes.

I love this team Yojimbo, the fullback line is like ACDC although the Young's are not related.

All roads lead to the Bont at the moment, let him roam free on the wing of life.

 

[bullish23]

If Richmond and Cwood can schedule a scratch match for the 2s, why couldn’t we have done the same with the saints?

 

[Bodicifer]

In: people who can kick and handball
Out: people who can't
Also out: 5 foot handballs - they just sell you into trouble
Also in: 15 foot plus handballs out of trouble

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

If Richmond and Cwood can schedule a scratch match for the 2s, why couldn’t we have done the same with the saints?

Bev said in the presser they tried, Saints weren't keen.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

I wasn’t making the call to single out Jong as many will suggest it trying to and as I said I understand it’s a harsh call after him being far from our worst tonight BUT imo the year is cooked and I expect an absolute thrashing by the plastics next week, so honestly if we aren’t making the 8 I’d really like to finish very low.

I don’t think the list is that bad and adding Ugle Hagan and another really good kid I’d suggest we make a rapid recovery In a uninterrupted year.

This years setup just doesn’t suit us so I won’t mention the word “tank” but I’d be trying to fast track some kids development and limiting games to Suckers, Dicko, Jong, Wood and possibly Libba who shouldn’t be at the club next year for one reason or another. I’d much rather see Weightman come in next week than Dicko for example

Why do you think the set up doesn’t suit us? I think GWS have simply proven how to beat us. Play hard and rough and we have too many players that are too “nice” to fly the flag or too soft to fight through a tag. I don’t see any format where the team fights back without addressing this and I’m unconvinced we have the right mix of people to do it?

 

[Charlie Bucket]

If Richmond and Cwood can schedule a scratch match for the 2s, why couldn’t we have done the same with the saints?

We tried to with the Saints. We wanted to play on the sat as we have a 5day turnaround. Saints didn’t want that. The game fell through.

 

[Virgin Dog]

FB: Cordy - Keath - Williams
HB: Crozier - JJ - Daniel
C: Jong - Bont - Macrae
HF: McLean - Naughton - Lipinski
FF: Dale - Bruce - Wallis
R: English - Smith - Dunkley

Int: Suckling - Vandermeer - Libba - Trengove

OUT: Lloyd (omitted), Gowers (omitted), Gardner (omitted), Richards (sore)
IN: Trengove, McLean, Cordy, Libba


Dropping Gardner for Cordy. Duryea would be coming in if fit, but assuming he's still not good to go.

Richards took a knock to the knee, and considering it's only a 5 day turnaround, I'll run with the assumption that he's out sore.

Gowers and Lloyd dropped is a very easy decision. Putrid performances. The only thing saving Dale this week is the fact that I'm already pulling out two forwards. Otherwise, he'd be out for Schache.

Half our midfield has been pitiful lately. McLean gets extended run through the centre, with Macrae not attending centre bounces.

Trengove comes in as key defender, and to provide ruck relief for English. No more solo rucking

 

[CarnTheScray]

Suckling and JJ are pathetic. Give JJ a little touch off the ball and he shits himself. Williams put in a good effort but I would not like him at full-back as he's too short for that position. Half-back or try him on the wing.

 

[Jeff 1975]

B: Lewis Young, Aaron Naughton, Lachie Young
HB: Hayden Crozier, Alex Keath, Bailey Williams
C: Jason Johannisen, Jackson Macrae, Marcus Bontempelli
HF: Toby McLean, Josh Schache, Patrick Lipinski
F: Tim English, Josh Bruce, Sam Lloyd

Foll: Jordon Sweet, Bailey Smith, Rhylee West

I/C: Josh Dunkley, Matthew Suckling, Laitham Vandermeer, Will Hayes.

Main Training: The one handball rule, have to kick the ball after one handball start teaching the players to take ground and not
overuse the ball, lift their collective vision. 1st penalty for multiple handballs, place hands in a bucket of ice for two minutes.
2nd offence for multiple handballs taser the prick, only joking of course, but could explain my lack of exposure as a head coach.
Marcus Bontempelli to the wing to break the tag with the instruction to get creative and push forward, Johannisen as the sweeper
or wing defence, Patrick and Toby as the push up high half forwards leaving the forward diamond of English, Bruce, Lloyd and
Schache. Move the ball, kick the ball, take ground and score more simple !

Excellent side

Training is good too

Your setup reminds me of when I played Junior footy - many years ago
At the centre bounce the half forward flankers would come up to the wing
The forward pockets up to the half forward flank position
This left plenty of room for the full and centre half forwards to move
It worked a treat – we won the premiership

Our full forward kicked a heap too

 

[Generation West]

OUT: English, Gowers, Lloyd, Gardiner, Suckling, Dale

IN: Sweet, West, Weightman, Cordy, Libba, Trengrove

Who knows what Bevo is thinking.

A team like Geelong plays its best players in their best positions every week. Result - always competitive and rarely miss finals.

We tend to tinker with team selection and player roles to attempt to be ‘unpredictable’ but we are often beaten by poor opposition and our form is always patchy.

This football club frustrates the hell outa me !

 

[Mofra]

Bev said in the presser they tried, Saints weren't keen.

North have said yes to us at least.

 

[Proffessor]

Lipinski had 22 touches and was responsible for our 2 best kicks inside forward 50.

He’s our best forward half ball user IMO. Must play.

On Jong. Yep, effort is super important. I get that. And he always gives that. But I can’t stand watching his lack of skill and game awareness. Sorry. I just don’t want him in the team.

I think Lipinski has loads of potential, but presently think he is a good example of what is wrong with our team.

When things are going wrong, he can’t be expected to stand up and help turn the tide back in our favour.

Based on past performance
I don’t expect him to do anything significant to change the momentum of the game.
I don’t expect him to take contested marks, kick miraculous goals, lay big tackles, or even simply make something out of nothing.

He is essentially a link man, in a team that is currently running around in circles (15 of his 22 possessions were handballs).

I would like to expect more from him but he hasn’t shown he can do what I think the team needs at this moment.

 

[Jeff 1975]

OUT: English, Gowers, Lloyd, Gardiner, Suckling, Dale

IN: Sweet, West, Weightman, Cordy, Libba, Trengrove

Who knows what Bevo is thinking.

A team like Geelong plays its best players in their best positions every week. Result - always competitive and rarely miss finals.

We tend to tinker with team selection and player roles to attempt to be ‘unpredictable’ but we are often beaten by poor opposition and our form is always patchy.

This football club frustrates the hell outa me !

Multi-skilling - jack of all trades master of none
Back in 2006 Geelong players made a commitment to each other to put in the maximum effort
Since 2006 Geelong have missed the finals once
I believe Richmond done something similar around 2016-7
We had commitment for 2 years then self imploded
I agree fully we need to settle positions too give the players a chance

 

[Proffessor]

Lynch is as soft a pea heart as any on our list. He’s the last player we need lining up in the 22.

I have a differing opinion. My main recollection of Lynch is of him coming in as an unexpected selection, and even more unexpectedly for A Bulldog debutant not being overwhelmed by the occasion and playing his role well.

To add to his composure, he also displayed reasonable pace, size, and skill which in my book makes him a handy interchange player.

 

[BEaston]

I think Lipinski has loads of potential, but presently think he is a good example of what is wrong with our team.

When things are going wrong, he can’t be expected to stand up and help turn the tide back in our favour.

Based on past performance
I don’t expect him to do anything significant to change the momentum of the game.
I don’t expect him to take contested marks, kick miraculous goals, lay big tackles, or even simply make something out of nothing.

He is essentially a link man, in a team that is currently running around in circles (15 of his 22 possessions were handballs).

I would like to expect more from him but he hasn’t shown he can do what I think the team needs at this moment.

Well yeah, we can't expect him to be Chris Grant so why is he marked against that standard? Nobody in our side has that capability at the moment.
He's one of the better performing players at the moment, there's no way he should be dropped when there's up to 10 players that are producing less.

 

[maddog37]

Our team is simply too young and lacks leadership/impact/aggression from the few older blokes we do have.