Damage control: Yet another St.Kilda scandal Part 3

[Big Rough]

well not really, you can't label her unstable in one sentence and then in the same sentence say she knew what she was doing.

ever known anyone with depression? bipolar? post-natal depression? anxiety? adjustment disorder? PTSD? Somatoform disorder? and seen the difference between diagnosed and treated and not or those that are treated and then for some reason go off?

There could be any number of reasons to suggest that that statement may not be true, you don't know enough about her medical status to know if that's true.

Yes. And yeah fair call. Re-reading that it does sound a bit contradictory. What I meant to say was that she would have had some idea of what she was doing. Enough to know that it was wrong and would hurt some innocent people. I just don't believe at all that this can justify what she's done. And what she has done is incredibly serious, so the fact that she's traumatized does cannot excuse what she's done.

 

[mcgarnacle]

this girl is making herself look like a real ****ing idiot on her youtube posts.

get on yer back, ankles behind the ears.....lights camera, snap! a modified 'eye for an eye' for the digital age.

seriously, the BS with all of this over some nudie pics is astounding. the worst of it is the moral high ground some journos and some in here are taking about some blokes being in the nude amongst other men. dont know how many of you blokes played footy, but i got undressed and showered with my teammates every tues, thurs and saturday after training and games. so being comfortable in that situation meant that i was, and so are most men who play sports, comfortable in having their gear off around others. god forbid i shouldnt be...........i was ****ing born without clothes.

the crime here isnt someone being in the nude, or someone clicking the shoot button on a camera..........it's the nutjob who leaked them to the world and is getting the satisfaction of seeing the furore she's caused.

dont care how old this girl is, this case can set a very public precedent, and should be made an example of. unstable or not, she knew the BS it would cause.

night.

 

[Demon 16]

I'm the first to label the media for what they are, but in this day and age they are about the only ones playing by any rule. Any flog with a mobile can blog, name, shame and upload just about anything but the media are still pixelating and 'can't be named' whilst the entire free world with an internet connection knows everything.

I was more referring to the medias reporting and focus on the girl which is giving her access to mainstream publicity (it is only hurting the girl).

I heard that AFL was pissed with seven, and that it may affect the next television rights deal.

Im not surprised theyre angry, but I sincerely doubt anything but the $ will effect the outsome of the deal..

 

[clobba]

...............

Article straight out refutes what your saying, they MET her 20 timess.

 

[Gary Ayres]

this girl is making herself look like a real ****ing idiot on her youtube posts.

get on yer back, ankles behind the ears.....lights camera, snap! a modified 'eye for an eye' for the digital age.

seriously, the BS with all of this over some nudie pics is astounding. the worst of it is the moral high ground some journos and some in here are taking about some blokes being in the nude amongst other men. dont know how many of you blokes played footy, but i got undressed and showered with my teammates every tues, thurs and saturday after training and games. so being comfortable in that situation meant that i was, and so are most men who play sports, comfortable in having their gear off around others. god forbid i shouldnt be...........i was ****ing born without clothes.

the crime here isnt someone being in the nude, or someone clicking the shoot button on a camera..........it's the nutjob who leaked them to the world and is getting the satisfaction of seeing the furore she's caused.

dont care how old this girl is, this case can set a very public precedent, and should be made an example of. unstable or not, she knew the BS it would cause.

night.

The moral high ground debate is the funniest thing I have seen since the two protesters from different socialist groups fought in a bitch fight over who's views on socialism and the war in Iraq were better .

 

[Wells Now Williams Fan]

YAWN YAWN

Whole thing is getting a bit boring already for mine....!!!

 

[PieNSauce]

The moral high ground debate is the funniest thing I have seen since the two protesters from different socialist groups fought in a bitch fight over who's views on socialism and the war in Iraq were better .

Ha ha. Yep. What I find most astonishing is that some peopkle seem to think that a 17 year old child who clearly has emotional problems needs to be "made example of". Maybe we should just stone her to death. Seriously, if you were her parents you would have to hold fairly grave fears for this kid and to think that some of the nut bags around here would happily see her do herself harm makes me ashamed to be a part of this community. Get some perspective people, all she did was publish a few photos which in themselves are not especially bad. Had the press not jumped on the bandwagon and played this story for all it's worth it would have remained a little known incident with little or no consequence. I know where I put the blame for all the hysteria.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Ha ha. Yep. What I find most astonishing is that some peopkle seem to think that a 17 year old child who clearly has emotional problems needs to be "made example of". Maybe we should just stone her to death. Seriously, if you were her parents you would have to hold fairly grave fears for this kid and to think that some of the nut bags around here would happily see her do herself harm makes me ashamed to be a part of this community. Get some perspective people, all she did was publish a few photos which in themselves are not especially bad. Had the press not jumped on the bandwagon and played this story for all it's worth it would have remained a little known incident with little or no consequence. I know where I put the blame for all the hysteria.

So it would be OK by you if a 16 year old boy took a photo of your daughter in the shower with a hidden camera and put it on UTUBE.
It would be clear that the poor boy had issues woudn't it.

 

[PieNSauce]

So it would be OK by you if a 16 year old boy took a photo of your daughter in the shower with a hidden camera and put it on UTUBE.
It would be clear that the poor boy had issues woudn't it.

I don't see how generalisations are especially helpful or even all that smart here. What I will say is that given the same circumstances I would certainly not be looking to have the girl punished per se. This girl clearly has emotional problems and she is only 17 ffs. Don't you think it would make more sense to tackle the problem rather than childishly look for revenge?

 

[Dave]

So it would be OK by you if a 16 year old boy took a photo of your daughter in the shower with a hidden camera and put it on UTUBE.
It would be clear that the poor boy had issues woudn't it.

What if his daughter was a grown woman in her mid twenties who was trying to co-erce him into having group sex with a bunch of her friends?

 

[campbell]

I think the problem some people are having is that they can empatise with the girl, not sympathise.

ie...she is a minor.she appears to have a mental health issue of some sort. the full weight of a national football code is being taken out on her,

to most. they dispise what she has done .

to most they hate what is being now done to her.

they can feel for her. they hope that IF it was their child, that it would be handled differently.

they also hope that this child makes it out the other end of this alive.

she has said she is scared, she is alone from parental influence.

to most here, there has to be another solution to this.

the afl and club can have the same outcome, but realise that their is more than one way up the mountain. Use kid gloves ffs, not a sledgehammer.

 

[rose jam]

I don't see how generalisations are especially helpful or even all that smart here. What I will say is that given the same circumstances I would certainly not be looking to have the girl punished per se. This girl clearly has emotional problems and she is only 17 ffs. Don't you think it would make more sense to tackle the problem rather than childishly look for revenge?

I fully back what the Saints are doing by trying to reclaim damages off this girl. If Riewoldt or the Saints lose money for this they should be compensated. She won't back down, neither should the Saints or AFL. I hope they crush her unless she starts showing some "genuine" remorse, otherwise it's the electric chair

 

[PieNSauce]

I think the problem some people are having is that they can empatise with the girl, not sympathise.

ie...she is a minor.she appears to have a mental health issue of some sort. the full weight of a national football code is being taken out on her,

to most. they dispise what she has done .

to most they hate what is being now done to her.

they can feel for her. they hope that IF it was their child, that it would be handled differently.

they also hope that this child makes it out the other end of this alive.

she has said she is scared, she is alone from parental influence.

to most here, there has to be another solution to this.

the afl and club can have the same outcome, but realise that their is more than one way up the mountain. Use kid gloves ffs, not a sledgehammer.

Yep, I totally agree with this. Retribution on a 17 year old with mental health issues IMO does nothing to enhance the image of the St Kilda football club. Most fair minded people would despise what she has done but surely there is a little humanity and maturity in us yet that allows us to see beyond the act and look at the person.

 

[PieNSauce]

I fully back what the Saints are doing by trying to reclaim damages off this girl. If Riewoldt or the Saints lose money for this they should be compensated. She won't back down, neither should the Saints or AFL. I hope they crush her unless she starts showing some "genuine" remorse, otherwise it's the electric chair

If that's what this comes down to... a few bucks in exchange for a life then I'm afraid somebody better stop the planet and let me off!

 

[campbell]

If that's what this comes down to... a few bucks in exchange for a life then I'm afraid somebody better stop the planet and let me off!

agree.

I also think that if that is what this is about, then the AFL will lose a lot of support. It will be a defining moment in our code. They wont have to worry about the new media rights agreement, their following will plummet.

IF only they had velvet gloves on through out this whole episode, we might not be seeing this now.

 

[Blue and Silver]

To put it simply:

I believe that if she did fall pregnant to Gilbert (paternity obviously was disputed), than Gilbert owed her some form of support. If the St. Kilda FC told him not to see her, knowing the situation I would be appalled. I don't agree with her current actions by any measure, and do think she needs to recieve some minor punishment (Community Service Order etc.) for so deeply invading the privacy of these two men

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If that's what this comes down to... a few bucks in exchange for a life then I'm afraid somebody better stop the planet and let me off!

Wow you could make a fortune doing your "defense due to mental issues" over the internet.
So at what point should a crime not be excused due to these sort of issues? Theft? Assault? Murder? or can someone with s**t parents do whatever they like because its not their fault.

 

[ant22]

Ha ha. Yep. What I find most astonishing is that some peopkle seem to think that a 17 year old child who clearly has emotional problems needs to be "made example of". Maybe we should just stone her to death. Seriously, if you were her parents you would have to hold fairly grave fears for this kid and to think that some of the nut bags around here would happily see her do herself harm makes me ashamed to be a part of this community. Get some perspective people, all she did was publish a few photos which in themselves are not especially bad. Had the press not jumped on the bandwagon and played this story for all it's worth it would have remained a little known incident with little or no consequence. I know where I put the blame for all the hysteria.

I think she has done a fair bit more than that. Tell me if you were in a serious relationship and a public figure and a 17 yo girl published nude photos that she said she had taken herself in a hotel room think about how much this could harm you relationship. Now if the photos were of no names like you and I off course they would be fairly innocent but she had an agenda to bring these guys down and all evidence at this stage appears as though it is built on a body of lies. Yes the girl may have good reason to be very upset with certain people but it seems that she is intent on bringing anyone within the afl down with them. Her biggest crime is that her INTENT is to destroy these people some of whom appear to be innocent and for mine Intent is pretty important when determining behavoirs.

I am a little tired of people using her age as an excuse. Its an insult to all other 17 year olds to suggest that her immaturity is the main reason for this. I have absolutely no doubt this girl knows exactly what she is doing.

I dont want her stone or have her hung drawn and quartered and yes I think her parents should be concerned and do all possible to help her. Who's to say they are not trying. Its pretty clear this girl has an issue with the truth so I would not take it as gospel that her parents have abandoned her.

All this does not mean she should not be punished. For mine if she comes out and destroys all the photos and any further publications and apologies id be happy to see her get a stern warning from then judge. But will I assume today be made very clear to her of the consquences of her action and if she conintues this malacious vendetta then she needs to expect what ever consquences come her way.

IMO a 17 year person should know better.

 

[Hawthorn United]

Wow you could make a fortune doing your "defense due to mental issues" over the internet.
So at what point should a crime not be excused due to these sort of issues? Theft? Assault? Murder? or can someone with s**t parents do whatever they like because its not their fault.

I agree with you. People that commit those crimes clearly have some motive for doing so and anyone can claim they have a mental health issue when it's easily just who they are.

A lenient punishment is not going to stop her from doing it again.

 

[mickctiger]

Wow you could make a fortune doing your "defense due to mental issues" over the internet.
So at what point should a crime not be excused due to these sort of issues? Theft? Assault? Murder? or can someone with s**t parents do whatever they like because its not their fault.

dunno, spend a day in the magestrates court and you tell me

 

[ant22]

agree.

I also think that if that is what this is about, then the AFL will lose a lot of support. It will be a defining moment in our code. They wont have to worry about the new media rights agreement, their following will plummet.

IF only they had velvet gloves on through out this whole episode, we might not be seeing this now.

I highly doubt that will be the case. The AFL go out of there way to make examples of players and clubs. This would be a complete backflip on how they normally handle social issues. People can say what they like about the afl but there record in handling social issues I would suspect is very very good. They have gone on the record to say they have offered this girl countless about of help.

What more do you think the afl should have done if this girl was in fact pregnant. Remembering of course that no law was broken. The worst is appears that may of happened is a player got her pregnant and did not taken responsbility. I dont know of any employers that would offer councelling do a person in that situation so it seems to me that the AFL has done more than any other employer would do.

If this girl was really credible she would not need to lie to get her point accross.

 

[Schooner Pig]

I agree with you. People that commit those crimes clearly have some motive for doing so and anyone can claim they have a mental health issue when it's easily just who they are.

A lenient punishment is not going to stop her from doing it again.

It is also about stopping other people from doing similar things. They are going to do their best to make ana example of her.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I highly doubt that will be the case. The AFL go out of there way to make examples of players and clubs. This would be a complete backflip on how they normally handle social issues. People can say what they like about the afl but there record in handling social issues I would suspect is very very good. They have gone on the record to say they have offered this girl countless about of help.

What more do you think the afl should have done if this girl was in fact pregnant. Remembering of course that no law was broken. The worst is appears that may of happened is a player got her pregnant and did not taken responsbility. I dont know of any employers that would offer councelling do a person in that situation so it seems to me that the AFL has done more than any other employer would do.

If this girl was really credible she would not need to lie to get her point accross.

What are you suggesting he should have married her or something? Thats a quaint old notion.

 

[ant22]

What are you suggesting he should have married her or something? Thats a quaint old notion.

Wow you have quite an imagination to come to that conclusion from my post.

I am suggesting that the worst that appears to have happened is she was not given the right level of support. I am not saying that this did not happen. For all I know he could have offered her all the support in the world. You can support people you get pregnant in many ways you know?

Boy some of your saints supporters are a bit sensitive at the moment. I guess you probably saw that I was a collingwood supporter and assumed this was a dig at the saints. Ive defended rewoildt over this whole issue so calm down and enjoy the festive season. Not all collingwood supporters jump on here with and agenda to annoy saints supporters.

 

[Walesy]

What more do you think the afl should have done if this girl was in fact pregnant. Remembering of course that no law was broken. The worst is appears that may of happened is a player got her pregnant and did not taken responsbility. I dont know of any employers that would offer councelling do a person in that situation so it seems to me that the AFL has done more than any other employer would do.

The AFL isn't like any other employer though- Does your employer have provisions for dealing with groupies? I doubt it. Does your work send out handlers with you and your employees when you go out for drinks? I doubt it. Does your employer ask you to take random drug tests? Does it require you to surrender your ability to freely apply your trade to your work for them?

It's a completely different kettle of fish to most employers.