Oppo Camp Dangerfield's Gone (Zero tolerance to trolling) - READ THREAD LINKED IN OP BEFORE POSTING

[TheLeftFist8]

So Danger is going home for extraordinary reasons? Yeah right, sounds like some concocted emotional BS to manipulate us and keep his reputation intact. Can't they afford nanny's here? Or are there not enough people living here with the Dangerfield bloodlines?

Meh, give us a fair price. We don't give a crap about Danger or Geelong…they are the enemy. Give the AFC what it should get, that's all that matters.

 

[feenix67]

There's no need for the personal attacks.

There's a six day overlap period between when RFA finishes and whe the AFL trade period commences. Geelong could easily hold off it offer to Patrick on the first three days of the RFA period. Adelaide CAN'T match until it knows what Geelong intends on offering Patrick. Geelong, as part of its overall list management strategy, could have set aside its draft picks for this year for other trade targets which it has already discussed and agreed upon with other suitors.

It's a very real possibility that Geelong will swap its pick #9 for two picks in the early 20s and use both of those picks for Lachie Henderson and, say a Zac Smith. What does Adelaide do if, by the time it comes around to Geelong offering Danger an offer, there's nothing left for Adelaide to be worth risking the loss of a first round compensation draft pick for? Does Adelaide a) match the deal anyway, knowing that they lose a first round draft pick, or b) accept pick #14 in compensation and move on?

If its the former, and as you suggest a "normal trade situation" ensues, what does Adelaide do? Trade Danger somewhere that he doesn't want to go? If he's nominated Geelong and Geelong only - which he will, then he WILL NOT be playing anywhere else. And if Adelaide's demands are too crippling, Geelong walk and Patrick ends up in the PSD where no club will take him. What club in their right mind would recruit someone who WILL NOT play for them, who WILL NOT even speak to them, who WILL refuse to have anything to even do with them?

Geelong can force Adelaide's hand by ridding itself of its draft picks by way of trading them BEFORE making a formal F/A offer to Danger. At that point Adelaide must match KNOWING that it WILL NOT be compensated for the loss of Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide forgoes its compensation pick and Patrick Dangerfield nominates himself for the PSD. Paul Connors tells every club of which whom have a PSD pick ahead of Geelong that Patrick WILL NOT under ANY circumstances play for any football clu other than Geelong in 2016, "so just don't go there".

The AFLPA will be up in arms about "restriction of trade". Patrick Dangerfield will be ropeable about having his passage to Geelong blocked by Adelaide who, despite having a compensation pick available to them at the time, elected to not accept the pick knowing that it couldn't extract anything of any notable value above and beyond the comp pick out of Geelong, and have done so just to spite him. That's not a good look.

The AFL under those unprecedented circumstances will either a) offer an additional compensation pick, possibly an end of first round pick to ensure that it most certainly is in Adelaide's best interest to NOT match, or b) behind closed door informs Adelaide in no uncertain terms that by matching and causing such a charade in the process, the outcomes which will ensue will not be favourable from an Adelaide perspective. My guess would be the former.

Quite seriously, this deserves a thread ban.

 

[Pugsley]

There's no need for the personal attacks.

There's a six day overlap period between when RFA finishes and whe the AFL trade period commences. Geelong could easily hold off it offer to Patrick on the first three days of the RFA period. Adelaide CAN'T match until it knows what Geelong intends on offering Patrick. Geelong, as part of its overall list management strategy, could have set aside its draft picks for this year for other trade targets which it has already discussed and agreed upon with other suitors.

It's a very real possibility that Geelong will swap its pick #9 for two picks in the early 20s and use both of those picks for Lachie Henderson and, say a Zac Smith. What does Adelaide do if, by the time it comes around to Geelong offering Danger an offer, there's nothing left for Adelaide to be worth risking the loss of a first round compensation draft pick for? Does Adelaide a) match the deal anyway, knowing that they lose a first round draft pick, or b) accept pick #14 in compensation and move on?

If its the former, and as you suggest a "normal trade situation" ensues, what does Adelaide do? Trade Danger somewhere that he doesn't want to go? If he's nominated Geelong and Geelong only - which he will, then he WILL NOT be playing anywhere else. And if Adelaide's demands are too crippling, Geelong walk and Patrick ends up in the PSD where no club will take him. What club in their right mind would recruit someone who WILL NOT play for them, who WILL NOT even speak to them, who WILL refuse to have anything to even do with them?

Geelong can force Adelaide's hand by ridding itself of its draft picks by way of trading them BEFORE making a formal F/A offer to Danger. At that point Adelaide must match KNOWING that it WILL NOT be compensated for the loss of Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide forgoes its compensation pick and Patrick Dangerfield nominates himself for the PSD. Paul Connors tells every club of which whom have a PSD pick ahead of Geelong that Patrick WILL NOT under ANY circumstances play for any football clu other than Geelong in 2016, "so just don't go there".

The AFLPA will be up in arms about "restriction of trade". Patrick Dangerfield will be ropeable about having his passage to Geelong blocked by Adelaide who, despite having a compensation pick available to them at the time, elected to not accept the pick knowing that it couldn't extract anything of any notable value above and beyond the comp pick out of Geelong, and have done so just to spite him. That's not a good look.

The AFL under those unprecedented circumstances will either a) offer an additional compensation pick, possibly an end of first round pick to ensure that it most certainly is in Adelaide's best interest to NOT match, or b) behind closed door informs Adelaide in no uncertain terms that by matching and causing such a charade in the process, the outcomes which will ensue will not be favourable from an Adelaide perspective. My guess would be the former.

 

[aneale]

You know what **** it, the Crows should match and if Geelong give us jack s**t. We send Paddy to the PSD. Honestly **** it. Send a message to every campaigner and ever campaigner Club.

I'd go one further. I'd match and then not even take Geelong's call. Shop him to GC for Bennell and a pick or to Brisbane for Aish and Redden and if neither of those bore fruit then PSD or ND he goes.

PAFC sent a strong message that has carried on to this day with Stevens and the Crows should do the same. I wouldn't take pick 9 and first rounder next year from Geelong.

I'd be a terrible list manager. It would be all scorched earth stuff. You can leave but we won't be helping at all kind of attitude. It's pretty obvious that tge Lions would take him and GC and GWS. If he wants to run the risk of being further from the inlaws than he is now so be it.

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[Strangled Cat]

Haha, good luck trying that.

Why should we give a toss over GFC and Danger's wishes if they deliberately try to shaft us?! Of course a club will pick him in the draft because even if he's dumb enough to stand out of footy for a year (his choice and no way is it restraint of trade…it's the conditions of entering the draft which is his choice by not signing an Adelaide contract and the club he wants to go to obviously not wanting him enough to pay for him). By spending a pick this year, a club gets Danger and if he chucks the sads they trade him next year whilst he is still contracted and they make a tidy profit of turning one pick into at least 2!

In the end Geelong won't pay his full value but they will need to get in the same ballpark or Fagan will tell them to GAGF with the full support of the AFC membership.

How would Geelong be shafting Adelaide? Geelong wouldn't be breaking any rules and Geelong is well within its rights to maximise its takings in every deal. The FA system is a complete joke, as is the way that compensation is afforded. But that's not Geelong's problem and it's not incumbent upon Geelong to bridge the gap of unfairness in a system which it didn't implement and quite possibly doesn't even condone. But what's a club to do? All that Geelong need concern itself with is what's best for Geelong. Lobby to AFL house if you don't like your comp.

And on a side note, by matching Adelaide could just as easily be shafting Geelong. With demands of multiple first round picks PLUS asking for a required player who is contracted, a rigid and inflexible demand will result in Geelong walking away. Just because Geelong has committed to Danger doesn't mean it has committed to being shafted by Adelaide in a trade, either.

As much as you all would like to bang on about how Adelaide has the upper hand, I'm at pains to point out that that it really isn't the case.

 

[Red mist]

Please can we have a carving knife instead of steak knives? Mark Blicavs would be a great carving knife

Sure. But they don't have many ruck options. So no way they do that.

 

[Pugsley]

How would Geelong be shafting Adelaide? Geelong wouldn't be breaking any rules and Geelong is well within its rights to maximise its takings in every deal. The FA system is a complete joke, as is the way that compensation is afforded. But that's not Geelong's problem and it's not incumbent upon Geelong to bridge the gap of unfairness in a system which it didn't implement and quite possibly doesn't even condone. But what's a club to do? All that Geelong need concern itself with is what's best for Geelong. Lobby to AFL house if you don't like your comp.

And on a side note, by matching Adelaide could just as easily be shafting Geelong. With demands of multiple first round picks PLUS asking for a required player who is contracted, a rigid and inflexible demand will result in Geelong walking away. Just because Geelong has committed to Danger doesn't mean it has committed to being shafted by Adelaide in a trade, either.

As much as you all would like to bang on about how Adelaide has the upper hand, I'm at pains to point out that that it really isn't the case.

We will be playing hardball make no mistake and if you think we're going to bring out the silver platter, you're just delusional. End of discussion.

 

[oldcrowgirl]

Sure. But they don't have many ruck options. So no way they do that.

The wink suggested that maybe I'm taking the piss. We don't need more list cloggers, that's why I'm wary of steak knives.

 

[Croweater23]

Does anyone else get the vibe there are more to this 'due to personal circumstances' than just Danger wanting to get home?

The use of the word extraordinary in that sentence throws me - I saw Rucci meet with Chapman yesterday shortly after the Crows made the announcement.

The players have seemingly been quite forgiving.

I just wonder whether, without speculating (and I have no idea) but something along the lines of his Mrs is pregnant, family sickness (hopefully not), etc ... something along those lines that is drawing him home.

 

[Cleric]

There's no need for the personal attacks.

There's a six day overlap period between when RFA finishes and whe the AFL trade period commences. Geelong could easily hold off it offer to Patrick on the first three days of the RFA period. Adelaide CAN'T match until it knows what Geelong intends on offering Patrick. Geelong, as part of its overall list management strategy, could have set aside its draft picks for this year for other trade targets which it has already discussed and agreed upon with other suitors.

It's a very real possibility that Geelong will swap its pick #9 for two picks in the early 20s and use both of those picks for Lachie Henderson and, say a Zac Smith. What does Adelaide do if, by the time it comes around to Geelong offering Danger an offer, there's nothing left for Adelaide to be worth risking the loss of a first round compensation draft pick for? Does Adelaide a) match the deal anyway, knowing that they lose a first round draft pick, or b) accept pick #14 in compensation and move on?

If its the former, and as you suggest a "normal trade situation" ensues, what does Adelaide do? Trade Danger somewhere that he doesn't want to go? If he's nominated Geelong and Geelong only - which he will, then he WILL NOT be playing anywhere else. And if Adelaide's demands are too crippling, Geelong walk and Patrick ends up in the PSD where no club will take him. What club in their right mind would recruit someone who WILL NOT play for them, who WILL NOT even speak to them, who WILL refuse to have anything to even do with them?

Geelong can force Adelaide's hand by ridding itself of its draft picks by way of trading them BEFORE making a formal F/A offer to Danger. At that point Adelaide must match KNOWING that it WILL NOT be compensated for the loss of Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide forgoes its compensation pick and Patrick Dangerfield nominates himself for the PSD. Paul Connors tells every club of which whom have a PSD pick ahead of Geelong that Patrick WILL NOT under ANY circumstances play for any football clu other than Geelong in 2016, "so just don't go there".

The AFLPA will be up in arms about "restriction of trade". Patrick Dangerfield will be ropeable about having his passage to Geelong blocked by Adelaide who, despite having a compensation pick available to them at the time, elected to not accept the pick knowing that it couldn't extract anything of any notable value above and beyond the comp pick out of Geelong, and have done so just to spite him. That's not a good look.

The AFL under those unprecedented circumstances will either a) offer an additional compensation pick, possibly an end of first round pick to ensure that it most certainly is in Adelaide's best interest to NOT match, or b) behind closed door informs Adelaide in no uncertain terms that by matching and causing such a charade in the process, the outcomes which will ensue will not be favourable from an Adelaide perspective. My guess would be the former.

Thats the same thing that could happen in any trade. But it doesnt happen in trades. There is no way Danger is going to put himself into the PSD and maybe end up in Brisbane on a 6 year deal. Please, show yourself some respect and dont say silly s**t.
Your just pissed you aint gonna get him for free.
Just think about this, 1 day left to go in trade week, Geelong are trying to act like big men, and the PSD comes up as an option. Then Collingwood say to him, hey Paddy, we can get a deal done for you and we will actually pay you 1.2 mill a year.
So he is paid 400k a year more to drive an extra 40 minutes to training each day.
In a fukcin heartbeat.
Your going to be really dissapointed when your club does one of these deals that your so set on that they wont.

 

[subaru]

There's no need for the personal attacks.

There's a six day overlap period between when RFA finishes and whe the AFL trade period commences. Geelong could easily hold off it offer to Patrick on the first three days of the RFA period. Adelaide CAN'T match until it knows what Geelong intends on offering Patrick. Geelong, as part of its overall list management strategy, could have set aside its draft picks for this year for other trade targets which it has already discussed and agreed upon with other suitors.

It's a very real possibility that Geelong will swap its pick #9 for two picks in the early 20s and use both of those picks for Lachie Henderson and, say a Zac Smith. What does Adelaide do if, by the time it comes around to Geelong offering Danger an offer, there's nothing left for Adelaide to be worth risking the loss of a first round compensation draft pick for? Does Adelaide a) match the deal anyway, knowing that they lose a first round draft pick, or b) accept pick #14 in compensation and move on?

If its the former, and as you suggest a "normal trade situation" ensues, what does Adelaide do? Trade Danger somewhere that he doesn't want to go? If he's nominated Geelong and Geelong only - which he will, then he WILL NOT be playing anywhere else. And if Adelaide's demands are too crippling, Geelong walk and Patrick ends up in the PSD where no club will take him. What club in their right mind would recruit someone who WILL NOT play for them, who WILL NOT even speak to them, who WILL refuse to have anything to even do with them?

Geelong can force Adelaide's hand by ridding itself of its draft picks by way of trading them BEFORE making a formal F/A offer to Danger. At that point Adelaide must match KNOWING that it WILL NOT be compensated for the loss of Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide forgoes its compensation pick and Patrick Dangerfield nominates himself for the PSD. Paul Connors tells every club of which whom have a PSD pick ahead of Geelong that Patrick WILL NOT under ANY circumstances play for any football clu other than Geelong in 2016, "so just don't go there".

The AFLPA will be up in arms about "restriction of trade". Patrick Dangerfield will be ropeable about having his passage to Geelong blocked by Adelaide who, despite having a compensation pick available to them at the time, elected to not accept the pick knowing that it couldn't extract anything of any notable value above and beyond the comp pick out of Geelong, and have done so just to spite him. That's not a good look.

The AFL under those unprecedented circumstances will either a) offer an additional compensation pick, possibly an end of first round pick to ensure that it most certainly is in Adelaide's best interest to NOT match, or b) behind closed door informs Adelaide in no uncertain terms that by matching and causing such a charade in the process, the outcomes which will ensue will not be favourable from an Adelaide perspective. My guess would be the former.

7 paras and capital letters on our board and you squeal about personal attacks ..

 

[lincsPJ]

Just because Geelong has committed to Danger doesn't mean it has committed to being shafted by Adelaide in a trade, either.

As much as you all would like to bang on about how Adelaide has the upper hand, I'm at pains to point out that that it really isn't the case.

i think you fail to comprehend the difference between "shafting" and seeking something "remotely halfway towards market value".

shafting would be poaching motlop, blicavs and selwood behind your back with ridiculous under the table deals, not a couple of picks that don't guarantee anything.

 

[smoovy]

No caps.

afagan@afc.com.au

A small tech note, it really doesn't matter these days whether you use capitals or not. Most mail servers will recognise it either way.

 

[Red mist]

The wink suggested that maybe I'm taking the piss. We don't need more list cloggers, that's why I'm wary of steak knives.

I missed the wink. Here have a tipsy

 

[TGFC]

just a quick question regarding the RFA stuff, if we match a 5 yr 800K deal, and then we dont get a good trade and he doesnt want to go into the draft. does this mean we need to honour the 5 yr 800K or can the crows and PD renegotiate and drop it down to $850 for 2 yrs

 

[Tex Support]

I'm hoping its picks only, and the deal is done quickly. #9 and 2016 first rounder is great for us IMO.

Obtaining those picks will give us required currency for the remainder of trade week. Rest assured we certainly wont be 'replacing Danger' with a mix of draft kids/Geelong players.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

How would Geelong be shafting Adelaide? Geelong wouldn't be breaking any rules and Geelong is well within its rights to maximise its takings in every deal. The FA system is a complete joke, as is the way that compensation is afforded. But that's not Geelong's problem and it's not incumbent upon Geelong to bridge the gap of unfairness in a system which it didn't implement and quite possibly doesn't even condone. But what's a club to do? All that Geelong need concern itself with is what's best for Geelong. Lobby to AFL house if you don't like your comp.

And on a side note, by matching Adelaide could just as easily be shafting Geelong. With demands of multiple first round picks PLUS asking for a required player who is contracted, a rigid and inflexible demand will result in Geelong walking away. Just because Geelong has committed to Danger doesn't mean it has committed to being shafted by Adelaide in a trade, either.

As much as you all would like to bang on about how Adelaide has the upper hand, I'm at pains to point out that that it really isn't the case.

We risk pick 14 in a shallow draft. Would rather send a strong message if needed. I reckon you underestimate how much Geelong want danger. Also other clubs will definitely swoop if he is in the draft. I reckon there are rules where a player can't refuse to play for a club through the draft process. It's called draft tampering. Our CEO has already clearly stated that we pull the PSD card if need be so over to the old cats to sort something. You may need to involve another club though as your talent under 28 is a touch thin

 

[Pugsley]

7 paras and capital letters on our board and you squeal about personal attacks ..

That's because he is being strangled.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

I'm hoping its picks only, and the deal is done quickly. #9 and 2016 first rounder is great for us IMO.

Obtaining those picks will give us required currency for the remainder of trade week. Rest assured we certainly wont be 'replacing Danger' with a mix of draft kids/Geelong players.

This is not enough.

Would Freo accept pick 9 and pick 12-14 for Fyfe?

 

[TheLeftFist8]

How would Geelong be shafting Adelaide? Geelong wouldn't be breaking any rules and Geelong is well within its rights to maximise its takings in every deal. The FA system is a complete joke, as is the way that compensation is afforded. But that's not Geelong's problem and it's not incumbent upon Geelong to bridge the gap of unfairness in a system which it didn't implement and quite possibly doesn't even condone. But what's a club to do? All that Geelong need concern itself with is what's best for Geelong. Lobby to AFL house if you don't like your comp.

And on a side note, by matching Adelaide could just as easily be shafting Geelong. With demands of multiple first round picks PLUS asking for a required player who is contracted, a rigid and inflexible demand will result in Geelong walking away. Just because Geelong has committed to Danger doesn't mean it has committed to being shafted by Adelaide in a trade, either.

As much as you all would like to bang on about how Adelaide has the upper hand, I'm at pains to point out that that it really isn't the case.

Just remember Dangerfield is a Restricted Free Agent…you will be the ones lobbying to change the rules unless you do a decent trade!

Once we match, free agency is inconsequential to the argument.

 

[Strangled Cat]

7 paras and capital letters on our board and you squeal about personal attacks ..

Where is the sign that says "Opposition supporters: post at own risk of being personally attacked"? I must have missed it, because I don't believe that I've said anything worthy of being personally attacked.

 

[rezagun]

There's no need for the personal attacks.

There's a six day overlap period between when RFA finishes and whe the AFL trade period commences. Geelong could easily hold off it offer to Patrick on the first three days of the RFA period. Adelaide CAN'T match until it knows what Geelong intends on offering Patrick. Geelong, as part of its overall list management strategy, could have set aside its draft picks for this year for other trade targets which it has already discussed and agreed upon with other suitors.

It's a very real possibility that Geelong will swap its pick #9 for two picks in the early 20s and use both of those picks for Lachie Henderson and, say a Zac Smith. What does Adelaide do if, by the time it comes around to Geelong offering Danger an offer, there's nothing left for Adelaide to be worth risking the loss of a first round compensation draft pick for? Does Adelaide a) match the deal anyway, knowing that they lose a first round draft pick, or b) accept pick #14 in compensation and move on?

If its the former, and as you suggest a "normal trade situation" ensues, what does Adelaide do? Trade Danger somewhere that he doesn't want to go? If he's nominated Geelong and Geelong only - which he will, then he WILL NOT be playing anywhere else. And if Adelaide's demands are too crippling, Geelong walk and Patrick ends up in the PSD where no club will take him. What club in their right mind would recruit someone who WILL NOT play for them, who WILL NOT even speak to them, who WILL refuse to have anything to even do with them?

Geelong can force Adelaide's hand by ridding itself of its draft picks by way of trading them BEFORE making a formal F/A offer to Danger. At that point Adelaide must match KNOWING that it WILL NOT be compensated for the loss of Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide forgoes its compensation pick and Patrick Dangerfield nominates himself for the PSD. Paul Connors tells every club of which whom have a PSD pick ahead of Geelong that Patrick WILL NOT under ANY circumstances play for any football clu other than Geelong in 2016, "so just don't go there".

The AFLPA will be up in arms about "restriction of trade". Patrick Dangerfield will be ropeable about having his passage to Geelong blocked by Adelaide who, despite having a compensation pick available to them at the time, elected to not accept the pick knowing that it couldn't extract anything of any notable value above and beyond the comp pick out of Geelong, and have done so just to spite him. That's not a good look.

The AFL under those unprecedented circumstances will either a) offer an additional compensation pick, possibly an end of first round pick to ensure that it most certainly is in Adelaide's best interest to NOT match, or b) behind closed door informs Adelaide in no uncertain terms that by matching and causing such a charade in the process, the outcomes which will ensue will not be favourable from an Adelaide perspective. My guess would be the former.

We dont give a s**t about what looks good and how hard it is for pd to leave. Our club is getting screwed by the afl so guess what.. We are going to match and force geelong to trade players if they dont have draft picks. Geelong could have made this alot easier for themselves by increasing his offer to over a million per year. They are shooting themselves in the foot. Everybody knows you have to pay more for free agents to prize them out of another club without the other club matching. Be prepared for a s**t fight because adelaide would rather lose him for nothing than recieve a shitty draft pick or steak knives deal. Carlton will take him even if its only for 1 year, then theyl trade him.

 

[Godallblighty]

Allefgib if the majority of Crows posters wanted and voted for this as a Crows only thread is this an option?

I would vote against it. I think some Adelaide posters are way too sensitive and/or just blatantly territorial.

That is not to say that some Cats posters aren't being deliberately provocative but there's mechanisms to deal with that. Report the post and ignore. Engage in reasonable discussion with reasonable posters. Trouble is, some of you are itching to get into a fight and then get all huffy when it escalates.

 

[rezagun]

I'd love to know what the "extraordinary reasons" Danger has to move back to Moggs are, according to Rooch.

Or more likely, Rooch doesn't know the meaning of the word "extraordinary".

Roo just said it will all come out in due course. My $ on his missus is prego

 

[Tex Support]

This is not enough.

Would Freo accept pick 9 and pick 12-14 for Fyfe?

In this case, they would I think.

We wont be getting equal value from a deal with Geelong, and that's reality.

What we do on the back of the Danger deal is what's important to me as a supporter.