Do Geelong have the best home ground advantage in the AFL?

[Yojimbo]

The ground dimensions haven’t changed. Why the concern now?

I guess because someone at some time decided to make the ground so narrow, but as you say it's certainly
not the only venue that differs who knows the MCG may be too wide on the wings and Geelong has had it
right the whole time. I guess a good analogy would be horse racing venues, it's still horse racing yet there
are always horses who perform better or have better results at certain venues.

 

[Swanks McSwankserton]

I read this interesting article published 3 years ago on home ground advantage: http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19752486/footy-forensics-does-home-ground-advantage-exis

It basically said you can roughly measure home ground advantage by percentage of wins away vs percentage wins at home, with Geelong winning 28.6% more games at home than away, but surprisingly were beat out for highest differential with Gold Coast winning 29.5% more of their games at home than away

 

[MrWoollie]

Get in here again STPer18 can't miss this comedy gold.

- No one gave a s**t about our ground until we started winning.
- The dimensions have been the same since the 1940s.
- We haven't played half our matches at HOME for over 40 years.

We are highly disadvantaged and these type threads are highly disrespectful to Wells and Cook etc. Who are far more responsible for our 30 years of consistent finals appearances than our home ground is.

Umm...

When the Reg Hickey stand was built that side of the ground was shaved and the ground became narrower.
The ground was re-shaped when the Premiership Stand was built, narrowing it again.
In 2018, after the Jack Ziebell incident with the signage the ground remained the same size, but the boundaries were moved in, making the playing width even narrower.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Umm...

When the Reg Hickey stand was built that side of the ground was shaved and the ground became narrower.
The ground was re-shaped when the Premiership Stand was built, narrowing it again.
In 2018, after the Jack Ziebell incident with the signage the ground remained the same size, but the boundaries were moved in, making the playing width even narrower.

There’s always one... One that gets super technical.




Barely changed in 8 decades.

 

[Yojimbo]

There’s always one... One that gets super technical.

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Barely changed in 8 decades.

Nice photo, I saw a question on the chase the other day that Geelong used to play at the Corio Oval.
Is this true can you provide a time line if true ?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Nice photo, I saw a question on the chase the other day that Geelong used to play at the Corio Oval.
Is this true can you provide a time line if true ?

Correct.

Currently an Aboriginal centre in Eastern Gardens. Forced to move in WWII when the RAF commandeered the ground.

 

[Pistol Night]

Yep. But it’s about as relevant as Prince Harry having the best hair in his family come September

 

[blue harvest]

Interestingly it also used to be a zoo, not much has changed on match days.

Error 404 - Kardinia Park Stadium Trust

www.kardiniapark.vic.gov.au

 

[Yojimbo]

Correct.

Currently an Aboriginal centre in Eastern Gardens. Forced to move in WWII when the RAF commandeered the ground.

Thanks, they say 1887 to 1940 on wiki, the girl who got the question on the chase was a Geelong supporter
and she got the answer wrong.

 

[Walshawk]

Without the One sided crowds influencing the umps, Home ground advantage is all in the mind. Looking forward to beating Cats there again in Rnd 2. KP has been a happy hunting ground for Hawthorn the last 30 years.

 

[Yojimbo]

Without the One sided crowds influencing the umps, Home ground advantage is all in the mind. Looking forward to beating Cats there again in Rnd 2. KP has been a happy hunting ground for Hawthorn the last 30 years.

You have not been to Geelong since 2006, I am not sure how many of you're current squad would remember that
though I cannot fault the logic 9 x Games, 6 x Wins, 3 x Losses since 1992. Twice since the year 2000 for a Win
and a Loss luckily they have GPS now.

 

[DJMac]

Except it's irrelevant to 16 teams every single year and only comes into effect 1 game a year and is only contentious in the years higher ranking interstate sides travel over against MCG tenants.

Whereas the home and away season effects every club every single week. So 18 clubs roughly 200 games a year.

So in recent years it is only contentious in 2014, 2015, 2017, 2019. Applied in 2018 as well but less contentious because west coast won.

 

[juss]

So in recent years it is only contentious in 2014, 2015, 2017, 2019. Applied in 2018 as well but less contentious because west coast won.

No, it's only contentious in years the interstate team finished higher.

Otherwise, it's assumed under the general consensus that the higher ranked team should have hosted anyway.

So 2019 - no issue Tigers finished higher than GWS so should have hosted.

Other years - maybe yes.

Still it's a only certain seasons for 2 teams in 1 match a year vs home and away grounds in the real season relevant for every club every week.

 

[____]

Geelong are clearly the most disadvantaged team in the AFL, they are literally the only team in the entirety of world sport that gets forced by their sporting league to play their home games against opposition clubs at opposition grounds to cater for opposition fans. Also Geelong are the only team in the league that don't get to host finals in their own city. And anyone who brings up the capacity argument is completely wrong considering KP fits 36k and yet is apparently not okay for finals yet the AFL deemed Giants Stadium with a 25k capacity was good enough for a Preliminary final while there was an 80k empty stadium in the same park.

For all the travel my mob has to do we at least get 11 genuine home games and 11 genuine away games. SA and WA teams effectively get 10 home games, 10 away games and 2 neutral games. Geelong get 7- 9 genuine home games and 13-15 genuine away games, when they repeatedly ask for 11 home games every year and get denied. The fact they had that handicap that no other team in world sport has to deal with and won three flags between 2007-2011 goes to show how good that team was.

The fact that certain fans actually argue a clear disadvantage is an unfair advantage goes to show how *ed certain Vic fans are.

 

[juss]

Geelong are clearly the most disadvantaged team in the AFL, they are literally the only team in the entirety of world sport that gets forced by their sporting league to play their home games against opposition clubs at opposition grounds to cater for opposition fans. Also Geelong are the only team in the league that don't get to host finals in their own city. And anyone who brings up the capacity argument is completely wrong considering KP fits 36k and yet is apparently not okay for finals yet the AFL deemed Giants Stadium with a 25k capacity was good enough for a Preliminary final while there was an 80k empty stadium in the same park.

For all the travel my mob has to do we at least get 11 genuine home games and 11 genuine away games. SA and WA teams effectively get 10 home games, 10 away games and 2 neutral games. Geelong get 7- 9 genuine home games and 13-15 genuine away games, when they repeatedly ask for 11 home games every year and get denied. The fact they had that handicap that no other team in world sport has to deal with and won three flags between 2007-2011 goes to show how good that team was.

The fact that certain fans actually argue a clear disadvantage is an unfair advantage goes to show how ******ed certain Vic fans are.

Perhaps some are interpreting it differently.

When Geelong play at their home ground it's the biggest HGA in the AFL. Unique unfamiliar stadium the only Victorian club to have this, their genuine home games provide something no other club has when you combine it with the reduced travel burden.

 

[____]

Perhaps some are interpreting it differently.

When Geelong play at their home ground it's the biggest HGA in the AFL. Unique unfamiliar stadium the only Victorian club to have this, their genuine home games provide something no other club has when you combine it with the reduced travel burden.

Considering that you need to win a Grand Final to win a premiership, Richmond, Collingwood, Melbourne and Hawthorn currently have the biggest home ground advantage in the AFL. And that's before mentioning that Geelong don't get to even host finals at their ground regardless of where they finish.

Before you bring up the ridiculous Punt Rd Oval argument, you guys actually chose to move out of there in the 1960's and into the MCG. It's not like the AFL forced you guys not to play there. Geelong request all 11 home games at KP and never get it. I'm not a Geelong fan but it's pretty obvious they get bent over the most out of any team in the AFL.

 

[blue harvest]

Geelong are clearly the most disadvantaged team in the AFL, they are literally the only team in the entirety of world sport that gets forced by their sporting league to play their home games against opposition clubs at opposition grounds to cater for opposition fans. Also Geelong are the only team in the league that don't get to host finals in their own city. And anyone who brings up the capacity argument is completely wrong considering KP fits 36k and yet is apparently not okay for finals yet the AFL deemed Giants Stadium with a 25k capacity was good enough for a Preliminary final while there was an 80k empty stadium in the same park.

Carlton and Essendon also have to play their games at their oppositions ground for the same reason.
Richmond, Pies, Hawks, Demons also get home games at Marvel against Marvel tenants.

The capacity argument for finals is about expected demand, the Giants were allowed a prelim because their ground could fit the expected crowd, was a perfect fit in the end.
Same reason the Cats got the final against Freo, the G wasn't available and demand at Marvel was estimated at 35k so they played it at Kardinia Park instead.

 

[DJMac]

No, it's only contentious in years the interstate team finished higher.

Otherwise, it's assumed under the general consensus that the higher ranked team should have hosted anyway.

So 2019 - no issue Tigers finished higher than GWS so should have hosted.

Other years - maybe yes.

Still it's a only certain seasons for 2 teams in 1 match a year vs home and away grounds in the real season relevant for every club every week.

Yes I stand corrected on 2019. Seems suc h a long time ago I had forgotten.

 

[____]

Carlton and Essendon also have to play their games at their oppositions ground for the same reason.

Wrong. Carlton and Essendon actually want to play home games at both the MCG and Docklands. They aren't forced there.

Richmond, Pies, Hawks, Demons also get home games at Marvel against Marvel tenants.

Admittedly that shouldn't happen either but that happens to each team once a year at the very most and usually that Docklands "home" game is at least against a non-Vic team.

Also MCG tenant teams generally get several away games at the MCG. Geelong never get an away game at Kardinia Park.

The capacity argument for finals is about expected demand, the Giants were allowed a prelim because their ground could fit the expected crowd, was a perfect fit in the end.
Same reason the Cats got the final against Freo, the G wasn't available and demand at Marvel was estimated at 35k so they played it at Kardinia Park instead.

Using that logic our home Qualifying final against Richmond last year should have been at the MCG and not the Gabba considering 77k went to the round 23 game and the Gabba's capacity was less than half that.

If Giants stadium is good enough to host a prelim, then KP is good enough for all 11 Geelong home games and all Geelong home finals. No ifs and no buts.

 

[Bring-Back-Powell]

Collingwood should take it to the high court of Australia if they are scheduled a game at GMHBA.

It would be a miscarriage of justice.

 

[Lolbert]

I’m not sure what the point of this thread is. Burn down KP??? Make Geelong travel to Melbourne via Adelaide on game days? Is this AFL propaganda to build a permanent footy hub in and around the MCG?

 

[Smithdogmaddog]

If Geelong are serious about wanting all home games at GMHBA then they need to withdraw from Easter Monday officially and any other marque games such as the country game where they are the home team. This will show they are serious and not trying to manipulate things for their own double advantage.

They won’t though because what they really want is the best of both worlds, when it suits them financially and to satisfy their large amount of Melbourne based supporters they want to play at the G. But because they haven’t even been able to make a grand final recently they are getting desperate to gain every advantage to try and squeeze a flag out of their ageing list.

 

[Yojimbo]

I’m not sure what the point of this thread is. Burn down KP??? Make Geelong travel to Melbourne via Adelaide on game days? Is this AFL propaganda to build a permanent footy hub in and around the MCG?

Imagine if you had a home venue filled mainly with your own supporters that yelled so loud during the game that
it created a noise of affirmation that fooled umpires into making decisions to appease the rabid crowd. Oh you're
a West Coast supporter never mind, nothing to see here.

 

[blue harvest]

Using that logic our home Qualifying final against Richmond last year should have been at the MCG and not the Gabba considering 77k went to the round 23 game and the Gabba's capacity was less than half that.

If Giants stadium is good enough to host a prelim, then KP is good enough for all 11 Geelong home games and all Geelong home finals. No ifs and no buts.

Obviously it's home state final and then capacity comes into it.
Giants stadium was good enough to host a prelim with 25k people wanting to go, not if 75k wanted to go. VFL/AFL finals have always been about best suited ground and more recently best suited ground in home state. We've had to play our 'home' finals at someone elses home ground quite a few times and as I said earlier we even get home games during the season at our opponents home ground. Many Melbourne teams got their home grounds taken off them, didn't really have a choice, unfortunately with the consolidated stadium model it means not every club gets the deal it wants, including Geelong.

 

[Yojimbo]

The Ladder Of Shame: (2000-2019) Teams Record At "Percentage Park"

Melbourne: 16 x Games for 2 x Wins, 1 x Draw, 13 x Losses. (T.F.C)
North Melbourne: 15 x Games for 5 x Wins, 10 x Losses. (T.F.C)
Sydney: 15 x Games for 4 x Wins, 11 x Losses. (T.F.C)
Brisbane: 15 x Games for 4 x Wins, 11 x Losses. (T.F.C)
Adelaide: 14 x Games for 2 x Wins, 12 x Losses. (T.F.C)
Fremantle: 13 x Games for 3 x Wins, 10 x Losses. (T.F.C)
Western Bulldogs: 12 x Games for 3 x Wins, 9 x Losses. (T.F.C)
Port Adelaide: 12 x Games for 2 x Wins, 10 x Losses. (T.F.C)
West Coast: 12 x Games for 1 x Win, 1 x Draw, 10 x Losses. (T.F.C)
St Kilda: 9 x Games for 9 x Losses. (C.B.S)
Richmond: 8 x Games for 1 x Win, 7 x Losses. (T.F.C)
GWS Giants: 5 x Games for 1 x Win, 4 x Losses. (T.F.C)
Gold Coast: 5 x Games for 5 x Losses. (C.B.S)
Hawthorn: 2 x Games for 1 x Win, 1 x Loss. (T.F.C)
Carlton: 2 x Games for 2 x Losses. (C.B.S)

(T.B.C) = Thanks For Coming, (C.B.S) = Come Back Soon.

Where is Collingwood and Essendon how have they dodged tasting the sweet and sour that comes
with a drive west towards the promised land, you don't have to ponder who the big clubs are just
look at who is missing from this list of woe.

A poem to finish:

We drove west to Geelong,
Played with skill and class,
We got back on the bus,
After they handed us our ass.