Grigg>Collins

[Blueboys7]

You ain't as safe on this board as you are on your own little precious Carlscum board , so to return to it, is probably your best option !

I would expect more from a mod than to resort to name calling in such an immature fashion. Even the Carlton posters know he is a troll so don't get sucked in.

On topic, Grigg is the better player and I am confident that he will remain better for the rest of their careers respectively. Grigg is a great size for a midfielder and with a few more preseasons hitting the weights he will grow into his body and provide you with a lot of grunt work.

He has the ability to get his hands free in a tackle and feed out an accurate handball to his team mates. The problem is his decision making under pressure and that is something he really must work on if he is to become a really good player. He tends to bomb the ball long without looking when under pressure without taking a second to sum up the situation so he lacks some composure. I have my doubts on whether he is willing to put in the hard yards to get to that level but that remains to be seen.

All in all I think you have come out ahead trade wise as Grigg is a good talent. It will be interesting to look back on this in a few years and see what the result is because I have know idea how Collins will fit into our structure.

 

[nugget_12]

if people dont know what we.re getting with Grigg ill ost this link again to his NAB Rising Star nomination from 08! its pretty impressive for a young guy!

http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/70827/nab-afl-rising-star-shaun-grigg

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

See, this is hardly the point. The point is that we had all the power in the trade and we fold like a deck of cards.

They're probably equal in terms of who is better than who. We get that.

This. Exactly this

 

[Crosswell]

Well said. Its funny watching people want to get something of quality when trade week rolls around but then when it comes to giving up something of quality to get it they are unhappy about it.

Collins was liked by many here, but I had serious doubts whether he would have been in our next finals side, let alone premiership side.

Richmond the big winner here .You have gained a hard nut who Hardwick would have requested at the expense of a soft borderline player . Grigg is in the best 22 at both Carlton and Richmond vs Collins who will be a Bullants player at best . I sincerely hope that I'm proven to be wrong .

 

[Mr Magic]

Richmond the big winner here .You have gained a hard nut who Hardwick would have requested at the expense of a soft borderline player . Grigg is in the best 22 at both Carlton and Richmond vs Collins who will be a Bullants player at best . I sincerely hope that I'm proven to be wrong .

Nah Collins can help you as a forward/midfielder with added toughness and composure particularly in the marking situation to help Betts. Some of the other guys you have in your forward line are a bit frail

 

[Monkey King]

Re: questions re Grigg/collins trade

Wouldn't you leave your job for more money?

Nope! In fact, I have left a high paying job for one that remunerated me far less and required relocation at my own expense.

For some the world is about more than just money; and thank goodness, as who the hell wants their irreplaceable days to be gobbled up by the cash monkeys.

 

[ize_]

Well said. Its funny watching people want to get something of quality when trade week rolls around but then when it comes to giving up something of quality to get it they are unhappy about it.

Collins was liked by many here, but I had serious doubts whether he would have been in our next finals side, let alone premiership side.

What part of this

We didn't have to give anything of quality, that's the point. We had them over a barrel - yes, it's a sideways trade in terms of talent, but when it comes to considering the positions of the two clubs, WE had the stronger position, and we threw it away.

We may still come out well on top but I personally believe we could have wrangled a better deal out of the whole situation.

don't you seem to understand? I know your frustration RT but you can't honestly expect us not to be upset about this when you look at how the premiership side has handled the Tarrant situation -

The Pies, who are aware they can secure the veteran as a free agent in the pre-season or national drafts, are refusing to budge on their offer of pick No.55, according to a report in the Sunday Herald Sun.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103977/default.aspx

 

[tugga]

What part of this
don't you seem to understand? I know your frustration RT but you can't honestly expect us not to be upset about this when you look at how the premiership side has handled the Tarrant situation -

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103977/default.aspx

Perhaps you don't understand that is why Collingwood have rarely landed anyone of value during trade week and have almost always walked away empty handed.

 

[Barnzy]

What part of this
don't you seem to understand? I know your frustration RT but you can't honestly expect us not to be upset about this when you look at how the premiership side has handled the Tarrant situation -

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103977/default.aspx

Yep. Exactly why people have questioned this trade.

Perhaps you don't understand that is why Collingwood have rarely landed anyone of value during trade week and have almost always walked away empty handed.

Adelaide didn't budge on their first-round for Jacobs which is what Carlton demanded. Just literally as we speak they got him for pick 33and 67 instead. We needed to show more backbone in this situation and not get bent over and bow to their demands with the leverage we had. We could've had both Grigg and Collins.

 

[ize_]

Perhaps you don't understand that is why Collingwood have rarely landed anyone of value during trade week and have almost always walked away empty handed.

Firstly, they seem to have done okay last year with Jolly and Ball. They played it hard with St Kilda and they won out. We should have done that to the Blues. IIRC two of the linchpins from their previous tilt, Rocca and Buckley, were traded in too.

Secondly, who cares what kind of success they've had in trade week, whatever they're doing works! And whatever we're doing does not.

 

[tugga]

Firstly, they seem to have done okay last year with Jolly and Ball. They played it hard with St Kilda and they won out. We should have done that to the Blues. IIRC two of the linchpins from their previous tilt, Rocca and Buckley, were traded in too.

Secondly, who cares what kind of success they've had in trade week, whatever they're doing works! And whatever we're doing does not.

Collingwood offered up pick 30 to the Saints for Ball duyring trade week.
They got him for pick 30 in the draft.
They didn't pay unders for him at all. They got him for exactly what he was worth as 29 selections before him didn't consider him to be worthy of selecting him.

 

[ize_]

Yeah... They refused to budge and got him for exactly what they wanted to give up for him, nothing more. Excellent work by Collingwood. Look I know you have to remain level headed and clear throughout all this rigmarole but given how Adelaide have handled Carlton, and how Collingwood are handling Freo, can you honestly say that you are happy with the club in how we handled the Grigg trade? Because unless there's a payoff later on today, I am not.

 

[tugga]

Yeah... They refused to budge and got him for exactly what they wanted to give up for him, nothing more. Excellent work by Collingwood. Look I know you have to remain level headed and clear throughout all this rigmarole but given how Adelaide have handled Carlton, and how Collingwood are handling Freo, can you honestly say that you are happy with the club in how we handled the Grigg trade? Because unless there's a payoff later on today, I am not.

I am happy with the trade.
DO you want me to lie?
I will absolutely bag the club if I feel it's warranted.

 

[turtle27]

Andy is about to talk on Trade Radio, so will be interesting to see his take on the trade.

 

[ize_]

I am happy with the trade.
DO you want me to lie?
I will absolutely bag the club if I feel it's warranted.

Of course not. I'm just surprised. I think we look weak compared to a couple of very successful clubs in Adelaide and Collingwood.

Andy is about to talk on Trade Radio, so will be interesting to see his take on the trade.

Can't stream it where I am at the moment, a run down would be much appreciated.

 

[rado]

sounded pretty pissed off at the tiges to me

 

[turtle27]

On now

• found out on Thursday morning via manager, and then took call from Dimma
• was a shock
• has spoken to Rats on Saturday - will play midfield/forward role
• he was relatively pleased with the season, just a pass mark, up and down

Pretty light on interview actually. Plough or Barrett didn't ask about the conversation with Dimma, and what was discussed, which would have been good to know.

Souonded to me as though he'll get more time in the midfield at Carlton, and that wasn't going to happen at Richmond, hence he agreed to go.

 

[Tiger2709]

Perhaps you don't understand that is why Collingwood have rarely landed anyone of value during trade week and have almost always walked away empty handed.

Not only that but Collingwood have a wealth of players in that position so they can hold out for ever. We don't know, that had we let Griggs slip, that there weren't others that would have taken him before us.

We are always complaining about the small size of our players, so Griggs will add some nice beef to the team, this trade won't be able to be judged for another 4 or 5 years.

 

[Tiger2709]

Firstly, they seem to have done okay last year with Jolly and Ball. They played it hard with St Kilda and they won out. We should have done that to the Blues. IIRC two of the linchpins from their previous tilt, Rocca and Buckley, were traded in too.

Secondly, who cares what kind of success they've had in trade week, whatever they're doing works! And whatever we're doing does not.

This is no longer the Wallace era, so how can you say what we do isn't working, we don't know yet, only time will tell, for all we know this may be one of the best trades ever.

 

[Tiger2709]

Andy was never on the table. Carlton approached him and wanted him, and gave him a shiny new contract and he wanted to go. We saw it as a win trade for us. Deal done.

Wish people will stop their moaning about this. Andy Collins was a player with limitations and not in our best side. You would think we would have bloody traded Cotchin for crying out loud.

Why do we have to screw over teams? Why can't we have the mantra of getting deals that benefit us without worrying about screwing the opposition? The coaching staff obviously see Andy Collins as expendable and not part of our long term plan of a Premiership, but they see Grigg as an important cog. The fact Carlton see this as a win as much as we do, who cares. We got what we wanted and kept the things that matter most to us, our draft picks and important players that the coaching staff think will deliver us our 11th Premiership.

The reaction of some Richmond supporters over this has been embarrassing.

Finally someone with some sensible comments and everyone saying we had the Blues over the barrel how do you know this, were any of you at the trade table, who knows whether other clubs may have grabbed him before us if he fell to the PSD.

I was shocked and dissapointed myself, but with some sensible thought I can see the value in the trade, forget about other clubs, DH is trying to build a premiership team at Richmond, all I can say is I hope Griggs gets the support that we should give all Richmond players...Collins is gone, I feel sorry for the fact that he had to go to the scum, but that's football, lets all move on.

 

[richoatthedisco]

i actually cant wait to see grigg in a tiger guernsey that also goes for houli

Someone needs to do a photoshop.

I know we are rock bottom now, but I have this feeling we will be a rapid mover from a bottom 8 team this year. People pump Melbourne because of their young talent, but we are not that far behind.

We will still be bottom 8 next year.

I'm in agreement with you, but as a Tiger's fan I appear to be in a minority. A lot of the uproar appears to stem from Grigg being uncontracted and nominating Richmond, causing a feeling that we've paid over the odds for him. If they had both been contracted and it had come out of the blue, I suspect these boards would be reading a little different.

Yes, a lot of it is about expectations. We expected to get Grigg for less than he's worth (i.e. a third rounder) and Carlton fans expected to lose him for such. Naturally they are pleased they got more than they feared they might and we are disappointed we gave up more than we thought we had to.

What neither set of supporters knows is if such a deal ever had a chance of happening. We got a deal done and got the player we wanted. Collins was clearly expendable in the eyes of those in charge at Richmond. I like Andy, he's a natural footballer but we're merely extrapolating to say he will become a midfielder. He had OP in his first season, is skinny and is said not to have much of a tank. Grigg not only has a tank, he is a tank. We're building a big tough team and how long since we had one of those?

For all those saying it's not about Grigg v Collins, clearly it is. Trading Collins was obviously the only way we were getting Grigg. Talk of bending Carlton over etc is nonsense. Sydney are the best traders in the comp and they never bend anyone over. Hence, they get deals done every year. "Oh, but Adelaide held firm" - Adelaide got Jacobs and Tambling and have one pick in the first 80! That's Bock and four draft picks out! Punt Rd would be burning if we'd traded like that!

Grigg is a genuine midfielder who can get the hard ball and immediately be in the best 5 runners at the club. Collins while talented will IMHO never develop his body enough to be used in the midefiel rotations.
Grigg in my opinion could end up haning a very good afl career a bit like Paul Licuria

I reckon Licuria is a good comparison.

OMG!

Are these the posters that were shouting and ranting and raving about the number of skinny flankers we have been recruiting over the years?

We finally pick up someone with a big body who can run and get the pill and people go ape droppings over the fact we gave away a skinny flanker who happens to be a nice guy too.

In the end, Hardwick and co. had this decision to make:

Is Andy Collins > or < Grigg + Houli +/- possible PSD pick up.

You don't have to be Einstein to work out what conclusion they came to and neither should we find it hard to work out the answer to the equation.

GROW UP AND GET OVER IT!

Welcome to tigerland Shaun Grigg!

Well said. Collins is a good footballer but you need to be a great athlete too, especially with the new interchange rules. Plenty of good footballers playing in lower leagues because they don't have the endurance or size for the top level. Clearly Grigg has both, Collins presently has neither.

Troy Taylor is a far more talented footballer than Collins. Nason has a much bigger tank. Hicks is much quicker. I'll miss Andy but we will cover his loss. Grigg will improve our side. We'll effectively get two players for Andy. We win this trade.

 

[PHX]

I can't believe the overreaction to this.

I like Collins but we've traded for a player with a similar skill set but more athetic, taller, and has muscle.

It sucks we lose Collins but he wanted to go, and so it is.

 

[I'm the Juggernaut]

are you serious? its not just about the number of goals they kick and its certainly not about how many he kicked this year. its all about the player he was becoming, you could tell he has developed so much and was finally starting to find his feet, this was his first season that he got a consistent run in the seniors.

He wasn't becoming that much. One good quarter against the Swans does not make him a potential star. I was surprised by the decision to trade him, but I'm not disappointed - that's footy.

 

[smasha]

LOL.

Why are we filling the Richmond board with posts about a Carlton player?

Time to talk Grigg,the bigger,faster better player.

 

[Ando_4]

Grigg>Collins.

Draft picks intact.

Great deal Tigers.