List Mgmt. Hawk's List Management 2023

[Lore]

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Order, aka Future Picks

Spoiler: Blue Tick Rumours

Strapping Young Lad you may like to sticky this post, move it to the start of the thread (so the sticky post doesn't rotate if a post is deleted before it), and perhaps copy to your draft thread.

 

[FB19]

Well, we’ll soon see what we get for the two of them and then know who was right and who was wrong.

We don’t need to wait that long. Live images from the eagles and tigers lost management room after coming off calls asking for early second round picks for brockman and Kozi…

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Can't believe how defeatist Hawthorn supporters are with trade value of players. If Brockman went in the open draft, someone with his talent/X-Factor, with 3 pre-seasons under his belt, would easily go in the first two rounds this year. The only (big) issue is West Coast have all the bargaining power with the PSD, but Brockman certainly is worth a second round pick.

What would you offer for Ginnivan, Spargo, Vandermeer, etc?

 

[I got the outside word]

Hello Hawks fans!

The embedded resources below are kept up to date by the trade board mods (as much as possible – we are human after all). Enjoy!

Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Order, aka Future Picks

Spoiler: Blue Tick Rumours

Strapping Young Lad you may like to sticky this post, move it to the start of the thread (so the sticky post doesn't rotate if a post is deleted before it), and perhaps copy to your draft thread.

Is it possible at all to put the dates in order? No stress if you can’t friend.

Edit: On the rumours sheet.

 

[Lore]

Is it possible at all to put the dates in order? No stress if you can’t friend.

Edit: On the rumours sheet.

Surely can. Thanks for the suggestion

 

[Books]

This draft is apparently shallow. Kosi and Brockman are known quantities and almost certainly better than whoever will be available in the third round of the draft. There is a reason why both players are wanted, both by us and by other clubs.

For us to ask for second round picks would be perfectly reasonable. The only real value in 3rd round picks is points to match bids on McCabe plus hopefully Jiath and / or Dear.

West Coast will not be keen to trade pick 19. They also have leverage with the PSD but I expect we will still get a 3rd rounder. Their own would be preferable. The one tied to Port definitely would be under value, but the points will still be useful.

With Kosi, Richmond have no 1st rounder this year so they may be reluctant to trade their 2nd. I think a 3rd this year plus an F3 is a realistic outcome.

 

[Tassie Cryptik]

Essendon and spreadsheets.

 

[barbster]

What would you offer for Ginnivan, Spargo, Vandermeer, etc?

Would offer a future 4th rounder for Ginnivan and wouldn’t want the last two

 

[PT Bar None]

This draft is apparently shallow. Kosi and Brockman are known quantities and almost certainly better than whoever will be available in the third round of the draft. There is a reason why both players are wanted, both by us and by other clubs.

For us to ask for second round picks would be perfectly reasonable. The only real value in 3rd round picks is points to match bids on McCabe plus hopefully Jiath and / or Dear.

West Coast will not be keen to trade pick 19. They also have leverage with the PSD but I expect we will still get a 3rd rounder. Their own would be preferable. The one tied to Port definitely would be under value, but the points will still be useful.

With Kosi, Richmond have no 1st rounder this year so they may be reluctant to trade their 2nd. I think a 3rd this year plus an F3 is a realistic outcome.

I was gonna ask the same (re bolded). As one other poster said, context matters. And this is context.

Therefore if analysts believe the draft will be down to roughies and plodders by say pick 30, then that means Kosi / Brockman have to be, at worst, valued at pick 31.

However leverage is also context as in any exchange. We'll see I guess

 

[peetoo]

I was gonna ask the same (re bolded). As one other poster said, context matters. And this is context.

Therefore if analysts believe the draft will be down to roughies and plodders by say pick 30, then that means Kosi / Brockman have to be, at worst, valued at pick 31.

However leverage is also context as in any exchange. We'll see I guess

But vic teams can’t bid on their academy players till 40. You couldn’t make this up

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

But vic teams can’t bid on their academy players till 40. You couldn’t make this up

That’s changing to top 20, I thought that was this year?

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Game plan is all well and good but if you don't have the players to execute it means nothing. We had an unbelievable game plan in 09-12 but it didn't net us any silverware. Enter Brian Lake.

If you read Sam Mitchell's book he thinks that due to the game plan in 2010 we cost ourselves another premiership. Clarkson was too stubborn to change it despite the players urging him to.

 

[SSSSSS]

If you read Sam Mitchell's book he thinks that due to the game plan in 2010 we cost ourselves another premiership. Clarkson was too stubborn to change it despite the players urging him to.

Our gameplan in 2009-2011ish just didn't stand up in the heat of the contest. It was a gameplan that relied on perfection of execution which is almost impossible to achieve across 4 quarters in finals pressure (ironically we were able to achieve close to perfection of execution across 2014 and 2015).

It wasn't until we started to bring in some element of chaos and moving the ball forwards at any costs with taps and flicks that we had a finals ready gameplan.

It's why we were IMO the most perfect modern footy team. Could keep the ball like no other and flick it around like the Harlem Globetrotters but when we needed to get gritty and move the ball through sheer will we could resort to playing some ugly chaos footy.

 

[Dewnior]

Our gameplan in 2009-2011ish just didn't stand up in the heat of the contest. It was a gameplan that relied on perfection of execution which is almost impossible to achieve across 4 quarters in finals pressure (ironically we were able to achieve close to perfection of execution across 2014 and 2015).

It wasn't until we started to bring in some element of chaos and moving the ball forwards at any costs with taps and flicks that we had a finals ready gameplan.

It's why we were IMO the most perfect modern footy team. Could keep the ball like no other and flick it around like the Harlem Globetrotters but when we needed to get gritty and move the ball through sheer will we could resort to playing some ugly chaos footy.

Yep, which relied on skillful players to execute.

 

[Brishawk]

In: Brett Ratten.

Biggest fish in the off season

 

[MightyHawks]

Our gameplan in 2009-2011ish just didn't stand up in the heat of the contest. It was a gameplan that relied on perfection of execution which is almost impossible to achieve across 4 quarters in finals pressure (ironically we were able to achieve close to perfection of execution across 2014 and 2015).

It wasn't until we started to bring in some element of chaos and moving the ball forwards at any costs with taps and flicks that we had a finals ready gameplan.

It's why we were IMO the most perfect modern footy team. Could keep the ball like no other and flick it around like the Harlem Globetrotters but when we needed to get gritty and move the ball through sheer will we could resort to playing some ugly chaos footy.

I know I’m biased but reckon at our peak in 2014-2015 we’d have beaten any team in history at their peak.

 

[Howe Amazing]

I know I’m biased but reckon at our peak in 2014-2015 we’d have beaten any team in history at their peak.

There was one game against the Swans at ANZ stadium where the footy hardly touched the ground and we smashed the Swans who were pretty good at the time of course

 

[MightyHawks]

Were we missing a couple of significant players at the time too?

There was one game against the Swans at ANZ stadium where the footy hardly touched the ground and we smashed the Swans who were pretty good at the time of course

 

[mknaven]

Regarding Brockman, WCE lost Willie Riloi to Port for peanuts just last yr. Granted he had the drug violations but he does have more runs on the board than Brockman, so I doubt we'll be able to score a high value pick for him.

 

[peetoo]

Our gameplan in 2009-2011ish just didn't stand up in the heat of the contest. It was a gameplan that relied on perfection of execution which is almost impossible to achieve across 4 quarters in finals pressure (ironically we were able to achieve close to perfection of execution across 2014 and 2015).

It wasn't until we started to bring in some element of chaos and moving the ball forwards at any costs with taps and flicks that we had a finals ready gameplan.

It's why we were IMO the most perfect modern footy team. Could keep the ball like no other and flick it around like the Harlem Globetrotters but when we needed to get gritty and move the ball through sheer will we could resort to playing some ugly chaos footy.

Out Franklin in lake, Hale.

Oh and a fine pair of wingers we really didn’t have in 2010-11. You can change game plan considerably with those pieces

 

[Rowie6]

What would you offer for Ginnivan, Spargo, Vandermeer, etc?

Nothing!


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[Strapping Young Lad]

Please stop posting on here about list management from 7 years ago.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Please stop posting on here about list management from 7 years ago.

You could save yourself some work if you just changed the thread title to 'Hawk's List Management 2023-7'

 

[SSSSSS]

If we can get to a stage where we have a strong enough midfield that we can play the likes of Day/Frenchy off half back for 70% of the game (which would be a complete luxury ala Burgoyne/Hodge) we will be gunning it for flags.

Anyone knocking the idea of bonafide A grade talent mids like Smith coming to the Hawks are crazy. Deep midfields win flags.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

If we can get to a stage where we have a strong enough midfield that we can play the likes of Day/Frenchy off half back for 70% of the game (which would be a complete luxury ala Burgoyne/Hodge) we will be gunning it for flags.

Anyone knocking the idea of bonafide A grade talent mids like Smith coming to the Hawks are crazy. Deep midfields win flags.

Deep midfields are a huge help and obviously cover other weaknesses, such as a lack of forwards.

IMO it's more likely Day could be used as a forward given his marking ability. He could essentially play like Gunston IMO.

Frenchy behind the ball would work too, he's done it before in his under-age year. Obviously we'd want the ball in his hands at every opportunity.