List Mgmt. Hawk's List Management for 2025

[Scrads]

Usually do one of these before the trade period but was caught-up with other stuff this year so here is my post-trade period update! This is what I have at the moment. As you can see, firstly the list is STACKED in terms of talent (which we already knew) but is also pretty close to being completely full as it is. If what I have is correct, then we have 36 primary list, 4 Cat A and 1 Cat B locked in for next year which leaves us with limited options in terms of drafting next month and SSP/MSD in 2025.

If I had to guess, I'd say we are likely to delist-then-rookie one or both of Gunston and/or Breust for flexibility. Regardless, we can only intake a max of 2 players to primary/Cat A list at the moment plus the option of another Cat B player if we want (which I suspect we will re-sign Bennetts with).

As usual, if you spot any mistakes then please let me know

 

[kazzooka]

The picks are the least of Hawthorns problems.

The salary will be a disaster. If this group of Hawks are very good - and it looks like they might be - then a lot of players are going to want to get paid over the next few years. Wizard, Dear, Day, Newcombe, Mass, Meek, Ward, Mckenzie are all going to be on pretty hefty pay rises for their next contact.

If anyone wants to know what happens when you pay one guy too much - Hird screwing his club as usual - see the bombers after 2000. They lost Hardwick, Caracella, Blumfield and Heffernan and never won another thing.

Yup, we need to be targeting the number 1 free agent this year, James Worpel.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Yeah IF Harley comes to us it wont be on a multi million dollar per season deal and i am guessing the deal won't be more than 5 years

 

[Red4]

The picks are the least of Hawthorns problems.

The salary will be a disaster. If this group of Hawks are very good - and it looks like they might be - then a lot of players are going to want to get paid over the next few years. Wizard, Dear, Day, Newcombe, Mass, Meek, Ward, Mckenzie are all going to be on pretty hefty pay rises for their next contact.

If anyone wants to know what happens when you pay one guy too much - Hird screwing his club as usual - see the bombers after 2000. They lost Hardwick, Caracella, Blumfield and Heffernan and never won another thing.

I feel like our boys are the types to take a bit unders to keep the culture and give them the best chance at success. I think if Harley nominates us it’s because he wants success as well, and would go the finn Callaghan route of ignoring the stupid 20 mil offers from a club like essendon or stkilda and take a 8-9 mil 5 yr deal here.

 

[Walshawk]

No reason why we couldn’t get both…. Allen is a key forward.

Gruzewski appears to be in the Gunston mould. If my memory serves me correctly he can play forward or defence which would suit our style of player.

McCabe can also go forward and back.

Gruzewski not in Gunston mould. Is a much heavier, marking player. Will be a big unit. Gunners was agile and crafty.

 

[VandoHawk]

The picks are the least of Hawthorns problems.

The salary will be a disaster. If this group of Hawks are very good - and it looks like they might be - then a lot of players are going to want to get paid over the next few years. Wizard, Dear, Day, Newcombe, Mass, Meek, Ward, Mckenzie are all going to be on pretty hefty pay rises for their next contact.

If anyone wants to know what happens when you pay one guy too much - Hird screwing his club as usual - see the bombers after 2000. They lost Hardwick, Caracella, Blumfield and Heffernan and never won another thing.

Our salary cap is in a good enough spot that (after factoring in the rising caps) we can likely afford to pay a good player around $1 mil while accounting for the rise of others. We would be fairly limited afterwards though, as any future player acquisition would require moving on players.

Now is Harley that player? I don't necessarily mind the draft capital given his potential. But I would be throwing him 700 at most.

 

[number23]

I feel like our boys are the types to take a bit unders to keep the culture and give them the best chance at success. I think if Harley nominates us it’s because he wants success as well, and would go the finn Callaghan route of ignoring the stupid 20 mil offers from a club like essendon or stkilda and take a 8-9 mil 5 yr deal here.

The Hawks and Cats players have always taken unders to keep the team together. I am confident that we can keep our developing band together. Having a bunch of them as Hawthorn nuffies helps. The kids can see where we are headed and they want premiership success.

 

[Sixpence]

The Hawks and Cats players have always taken unders to keep the team together. I am confident that we can keep our developing band together. Having a bunch of them as Hawthorn nuffies helps. The kids can see where we are headed and they want premiership success.

Unders ... dodgy land deals ... sorta the same ...

 

[number23]

Unders ... dodgy land deals ... sorta the same ...

Well it has to be proven and it hasn't been reported back in the day

 

[SSSSSS]

Harley has the potential to be the difference between us snagging one flag or filling our cabinet with 4 or 5 over the next decade.

Pay the price.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Harley has the potential to be the difference between us snagging one flag or filling our cabinet with 4 or 5 over the next decade.

Pay the price.

You start believing in a single player like carlton you end up losing players due to a lopsided afl salary cap. We don't ruin our list by making Harley a bigger priority then everyone else

 

[flamin_heck]

Harley has the potential to be the difference between us snagging one flag or filling our cabinet with 4 or 5 over the next decade.

Pay the price.

Nah. The bidding will be driven up by perennial hype morons like Essendon and Richmond, and the price will likely see us unable to afford improving players like Ward and Frenchie and possibly update team balance considering his output isn’t close to what he will cost.
I just know the Hawks will continue to look for underrated gems and proven vets.

 

[Red4]

You start believing in a single player like carlton you end up losing players due to a lopsided afl salary cap. We don't ruin our list by making Harley a bigger priority then everyone else

Don’t think anyone is believing in him to be some messiah and deliver premierships, most think we’ll get there anyway. Our list is already the best rounded in the comp, I don’t think we have any player in our b22 that isn’t at least a B grader. The only way to improve such a list is to start getting the A level talent in such as Harley.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Don’t think anyone is believing in him to be some messiah and deliver premierships, most think we’ll get there anyway. Our list is already the best rounded in the comp, I don’t think we have any player in our b22 that isn’t at least a B grader. The only way to improve such a list is to start getting the A level talent in such as Harley.

As i said i am all for it but at a price we can afford. Otherwise let the others go on a bidding war for him he is not as u say a player that makes or breaks us and all this talk about b graders is ****in interesting we had those during our three pete days. Until the comp finally realised that they were guns

 

[Red4]

As i said i am all for it but at a price we can afford. Otherwise let the others go on a bidding war for him he is not as u say a player that makes or breaks us and all this talk about b graders is ****in interesting we had those during our three pete days. Until the comp finally realised that they were guns

I agree. I don’t actually think there is that many realistic options for him though. You can rule north, tiges, saints, dogs and dees out, he wouldn’t bother leaving wce for them. Blues and pies don’t have the draft capital or cap space, essendon do but are shit. Cats would probably be his first preference but not sure on their cap space (never stopped them before though) then us who could make it work if we wanted.

Don’t really think it will be a bidding war as he’s not a free agent, it will be his choice to leave and pick a club. Realistically it will be bombers if he goes full mercenary and has no ambition, Geelong if they can find another way to rort the system or us if neither.

 

[MrPremiership]

Yeah IF Harley comes to us it wont be on a multi million dollar per season deal and i am guessing the deal won't be more than 5 years

Then he isn't coming.

Not that it's right/wrong for any party, but given the stupid amount of money/years other clubs will be throwing at him, he won't give that up to come to us

 

[SSSSSS]

You start believing in a single player like carlton you end up losing players due to a lopsided afl salary cap. We don't ruin our list by making Harley a bigger priority then everyone else

Nah. The bidding will be driven up by perennial hype morons like Essendon and Richmond, and the price will likely see us unable to afford improving players like Ward and Frenchie and possibly update team balance considering his output isn’t close to what he will cost.
I just know the Hawks will continue to look for underrated gems and proven vets.

With the strength of depth in our list we're at a stage we are going to be looking for cream on top of the cake.

We don't need Harley to be our Cripps or Judd like Carlton. They get a Ferrari and have it pulling trailers.

Do it the Richmond way. A mosquito fleet chasing the ball like it owes them money, some tough inside mids doing the grunt work, an impenetrable back six and Dusty doing whatever the F he wanted.

 

[flamin_heck]

With the strength of depth in our list we're at a stage we are going to be looking for cream on top of the cake.

We don't need Harley to be our Cripps or Judd like Carlton. They get a Ferrari and have it pulling trailers.

Do it the Richmond way. A mosquito fleet chasing the ball like it owes them money, some tough inside mids doing the grunt work, an impenetrable back six and Dusty doing whatever the F he wanted.

I agree with adding cream- trouble is other teams will look at Harley as the cake and paying him accordingly. We are at the Silk stage, adding well established veterans for the right $.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

we've got Carltons 1st and 2nd and our future 1st ....that s enough if he wants to play for hawthorn

We also have some decent depth options that may want to leave for gametime too. They could be traded for more picks, etc.

 

[SSSSSS]

Getting Harley would also make us the biggest villains in the AFL and I'm all for that.

Free kick Hawthorn is already starting. Love it.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Honest question has trading for a mega super star ever actually won a premiership?

Judd to Cartlon, GAJ to Gold Coast, Buddy to the Swans all to a lesser or greater extent didn’t work. And all much better players when they were traded for than what Reid currently is.

The one time it did was Cameron to the Cats. But the Cats were already a strong team, he was more the finishing touch.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Honest question has trading for a mega super star ever actually won a premiership?

Judd to Cartlon, GAJ to Gold Coast, Buddy to the Swans all to a lesser or greater extent didn’t work. And all much better players when they were traded for than what Reid currently is.

The one time it did was Cameron to the Cats. But the Cats were already a strong team, he was more the finishing touch.

I can't recall where Carlton were at the time of trading for Judd, but I think the last paragraph sums it up - you need to ensure you have a strong side to begin with before bringing in the superstar, and I reckon we are at that point right now.

 

[Red4]

Honest question has trading for a mega super star ever actually won a premiership?

Judd to Cartlon, GAJ to Gold Coast, Buddy to the Swans all to a lesser or greater extent didn’t work. And all much better players when they were traded for than what Reid currently is.

The one time it did was Cameron to the Cats. But the Cats were already a strong team, he was more the finishing touch.

GAJ & Judd went to bad teams, there were never going to win anything. Buddy made it to 3 gf with the swans.

Cats who are actually a good club and had a strong team were successful with both Cameron and Dangerfield.

 

[wahawk]

Honest question has trading for a mega super star ever actually won a premiership?

Judd to Cartlon, GAJ to Gold Coast, Buddy to the Swans all to a lesser or greater extent didn’t work. And all much better players when they were traded for than what Reid currently is.

The one time it did was Cameron to the Cats. But the Cats were already a strong team, he was more the finishing touch.

You answered your own question.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Reid would be the perfect addition, price permitting of course.

He would add another element to our midfield and would be a match-up nightmare when resting forward. I'm not sure how teams would be able to cover Watson, Moore, Ginnivan and Reid. Hardwick too if he's playing forward.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

GAJ & Judd went to bad teams, there were never going to win anything. Buddy made it to 3 gf with the swans.

Cats who are actually a good club and had a strong team were successful with both Cameron and Dangerfield.

I suppose the learning is that trading for a mega star makes sense if you are on the cusp of winning a premiership.

It doesn’t make sense if you are a poor team and are pinning all your hopes on a mega star trade to turn your clubs fortunes around.