Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 6

[Sttew]

Andrews' comments earlier today stating that Morrison was “pandering to extremists″⁣ were completely without fact, disrespectful and unnecessary.

It's just another example of him trying to distract from the huge turnout at yesterday's protests, and deflect from the scrutiny around his rushed attempt to introduce appalling laws through the Parliament

He has turned into a madman, and is completely unhinged.

Andrews is no longer fit for office, and needs to be removed

I read that article and found what Dan said to be offensive. Gaslight Dan is basically saying anyone who attended the protest is an extremist. 98% of attendees are ordinary families who are thoroughly disillusioned with his government.

‘Pandering to extremists’: Daniel Andrews blasts Scott Morrison

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has blasted the Prime Minister, accusing him of “pandering to extremists” following his comments on the protests in Melbourne.

www.news.com.au

So Dan is quick to kick Scomo in the head for the 2021 lockdowns blaming the slow vaccine roll-out. The 2020 Lockdown No.2 in Victoria is 100% on you Dan, even though he can't remember anything, and Victorians won't let him forget that

 

[Gralin]

I read that article and found what Dan said to be offensive. Gaslight Dan is basically saying anyone who attended the protest is an extremist. 98% of attendees are ordinary families who are thoroughly disillusioned with his government.

I think saying they are all extremists is as bad as saying that its all normal families disillusioned with his Government.

The rallies happened globally, they weren't organised specifically against Andrews

and yeah there are a lot of people who wouldn't consider themselves extremists who carried signs that were pretty extreme.

The problem currently is these people don't trust MSM at all so articles about the fascists and white supremacist links the even organisers have just get shrugged off as false flags and lies

So they think they aren't marching with fascists because guys like Avi and Rukshan tell them they aren't

But at what point do they stop getting a pass? At what point do you look at what's going on, the signs, the nooses, the speakers, the death threats etc and think this can't just be shrugged off, they need to distance themselves from those people if they want to be protesting safely?

 

[adogsfan5]

Weather has barely even been warm. In fact it’s been effing cold! No excuses to not be prepared next winter with booster shots. Planning needs to be well underway.

 

[Sttew]

I think saying they are all extremists is as bad as saying that its all normal families disillusioned with his Government.

The rallies happened globally, they weren't organised specifically against Andrews

and yeah there are a lot of people who wouldn't consider themselves extremists who carried signs that were pretty extreme.

The problem currently is these people don't trust MSM at all so articles about the fascists and white supremacist links the even organisers have just get shrugged off as false flags and lies

So they think they aren't marching with fascists because guys like Avi and Rukshan tell them they aren't

But at what point do they stop getting a pass? At what point do you look at what's going on, the signs, the nooses, the speakers, the death threats etc and think this can't just be shrugged off, they need to distance themselves from those people if they want to be protesting safely?

So are you saying all Australian capital cities are experiencing weekly protests like Melbourne?

 

[Golden_6]

Weather has barely even been warm. In fact it’s been effing cold! No excuses to not be prepared next winter with booster shots. Planning needs to be well underway.

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Do we know if we’re reporting hospitalisations similar to ICU cases? Where if the case has been cleared of Covid but still in ICU, it’s counted in it’s on seperate statistic. I wonder if there are more in hospital due to Covid but no longer counted in the official number.

 

[Sttew]

When the CFMEU "riots" occurred in September we did not hear boo from Dan, despite the violent nature and unprecedented police response.

Suddenly, Dan has realised, because his minders have got in his ear, he can get mileage out of the protests by gaslighting us into thinking the LNP is pandering to extremists who are orchestrating the protests. What he is saying is almost as offensive as what the extremists are doing. It is vile because fans of Dan hang off his words and will believe what he says.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I think saying they are all extremists is as bad as saying that its all normal families disillusioned with his Government.

The rallies happened globally, they weren't organised specifically against Andrews

and yeah there are a lot of people who wouldn't consider themselves extremists who carried signs that were pretty extreme.

The problem currently is these people don't trust MSM at all so articles about the fascists and white supremacist links the even organisers have just get shrugged off as false flags and lies

So they think they aren't marching with fascists because guys like Avi and Rukshan tell them they aren't

But at what point do they stop getting a pass? At what point do you look at what's going on, the signs, the nooses, the speakers, the death threats etc and think this can't just be shrugged off, they need to distance themselves from those people if they want to be protesting safely?

The vast majority of marchers were ordinary folk, according to many who have posted on this and other forums. The media always zero in on the most extreme elements if they can find them. If they can't, they have very little to say.

 

[sherb]

When the CFMEU "riots" occurred in September we did not hear boo from Dan, despite the violent nature and unprecedented police response.

Suddenly, Dan has realised, because his minders have got in his ear, he can get mileage out of the protests by gaslighting us into thinking the LNP is pandering to extremists who are orchestrating the protests. What he is saying is almost as offensive as what the extremists are doing. It is vile because fans of Dan hang off his words and will believe what he says.

Were gallows taken along? Had death threats been made against pollies and their families?

 

[Gralin]

So are you saying all Australian capital cities are experiencing weekly protests like Melbourne?

they've not had a pandemic bill to focus people recently like we have
not had the lockdowns we've had but there have been rallies in other cities about lockdowns while they have no lockdowns

antivax rallies etc

the fascists haven't been as prominent outside Melbourne either

 

[radiojake]

I look forward to the new woke protesters who are marching for the first time in their entire pathetic lives being more open minded about police/media/govt responses to future protests that they don't give a shit about

 

[Gralin]

CFMEU tried to blame the entire high vis rallies on fascists, conveniently ignoring the fascsists within their own ranks and also the fact that not everyone at those rallies was a fascist

the issue now is its pretty widely known that the fascists are organising these rallies

 

[sherb]

The vast majority of marchers were ordinary folk, according to many who have posted on this and other forums. The media always zero in on the most extreme elements if they can find them. If they can't, they have very little to say.

Well, of course. That's the media for you - in relation to protests of any nature (not just ones where you agree with the protest).

 

[Gralin]

The vast majority of marchers were ordinary folk, according to many who have posted on this and other forums. The media always zero in on the most extreme elements if they can find them. If they can't, they have very little to say.

if you're not leaving when the gallows and hang Andrew's chant comes out it's on you for being lumped in with the extremists

we've seen plenty of protestors say they aren't extremists but they've not denounced the extremists or distanced themselves from them, more just pretended its a beat up from the left and the media

 

[Gralin]

Well, of course. That's the media for you - in relation to protests of any nature (not just ones where you agree with the protest).

it's also how the media portray the day
is it a rally or a riot
freedom fighters or terrorists

how many times do we hear peaceful protest until the cops turned up yet someone its the protestors that instigated the violence?

how many articles about the 3 cops that got hurt with no mention of the damage toll extracted from the protestors

 

[Gralin]

which is to say if you're getting all your coverage on any topic from only one source you're not always getting anything resembling the full picture

 

[Crankyhawk]

Do we know if we’re reporting hospitalisations similar to ICU cases? Where if the case has been cleared of Covid but still in ICU, it’s counted in it’s on seperate statistic. I wonder if there are more in hospital due to Covid but no longer counted in the official number.

From what I can see of my hospital there doesn’t seem to be many who were covid admitted but are still on ward yet cleared (I think you are right that once time cleared they are no longer part of numbers) there may be variability in how different hospitals treat it (eg have seen other hospitals notes where patients still symptomatic are treated as still active while others just clear). Most likely would be either ex icu cases on slow respiratory wean / rehab, or someone who got lung damage and still oxygen dependent. I will try and look at a snapshot of current numbers in my hospital.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Me personally?
Death of capitalism and the prison industrial complex
Land back to the traditional owners and rent paid, end of the colony and Sovereignty on Indigenous terms recognized

Not sure what the prison industrial complex is? I thought that was the US.

What happens to all the white, Asian, subcontinental, and European Australians in this utopia of yours?

Where's the dateline? January 26 1788?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

When the CFMEU "riots" occurred in September we did not hear boo from Dan, despite the violent nature and unprecedented police response.

Suddenly, Dan has realised, because his minders have got in his ear, he can get mileage out of the protests by gaslighting us into thinking the LNP is pandering to extremists who are orchestrating the protests. What he is saying is almost as offensive as what the extremists are doing. It is vile because fans of Dan hang off his words and will believe what he says.

Oh bullshit.

People were showing up with nooses.

Peaceful protest, my arse. 98% ordinary peaceful family people, my arse. I got off a train at Parliament on Saturday afternoon and the flag wavers hanging around that part of the city are nothing short of human garbage. My wife and I got harassed for the crime of wearing a mask whilst coming out of Parliament Station.

Stop defending them.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Not sure what the prison industrial complex is? I thought that was the US.

What happens to all the white, Asian, subcontinental, and European Australians in this utopia of yours?

Where's the dateline? January 26 1788?

Many of what was posted there are lefty culture war issues. Particularly everything re First Nations people.

 

[Gralin]

Many of what was posted there are lefty culture war issues. Particularly everything re First Nations people.

what does lefty culture war issues even mean

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

So are you saying all Australian capital cities are experiencing weekly protests like Melbourne?

Protests erupt in capital cities over lockdowns and vaccine mandates - ABC listen

Tens of thousands of protestors took to the streets in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth at the weekend to vent their anger at lockdowns and vaccine mandates. The demonstrations are part of a global movement of so-called 'freedom rallies', with the largest turn-out in Melbourne...

www.abc.net.au

 

[Crankyhawk]

what does lefty culture war issues even mean

I stated in an earlier post
Culture war stuff = shit which is all feelings and opinions and nothing objectively factual (just strongly held beliefs)
Lefty = things which are beloved by the left. Things like First Nations sovereignty. Special positions in parliament for only First Nations. That type of thing.
Righty = things beloved by the right. Freedom from government control, religious freedom to discriminate and abuse others etc

 

[Gralin]

Not sure what the prison industrial complex is? I thought that was the US.

we've got private prisons here
we pay companies large amounts of money to run offshore detention as well

What happens to all the white, Asian, subcontinental, and European Australians in this utopia of yours?

Us settlers get to continue living our lives. It's not about evicting everyone

Where's the dateline? January 26 1788?

What and pretend the last 200+ years never happened? Seems a little weird bro

 

[Gralin]

I stated in an earlier post
Culture war stuff = sh*t which is all feelings and opinions and nothing objectively factual (just strongly held beliefs)
Lefty = things which are beloved by the left. Things like First Nations sovereignty. Special positions in parliament for only First Nations. That type of thing.
Righty = things beloved by the right. Freedom from government control, religious freedom to discriminate and abuse others etc

So just to be clear you saying the fight for Indigenous Sovereignty, Land back etc is just feelings and not real?
Or are you talking about non Indigenous people agreeing with the above?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Many of what was posted there are lefty culture war issues. Particularly everything re First Nations people.

I mean there's much in what he(?) says there that I broadly agree with.

If prison reform is what he's advocating. I wholeheartedly agree. It still chills me when a couple of years ago one of mine got sent to the slammer (no saint). He had a heart condition.

We asked that he be given his medication. The prisons said only what is prescribed by the prison doctor. The judge said, very pointedly, to the prison officer "You make sure he sees a doctor and is prescribed the necessary medication TODAY."

"Of course" was the answer.

He didn't see a doctor that day or the next, suffered a massive heart attack on the third day, and died 2 weeks later shackled to a hospital bed. No consequences for the prison.