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[M Malice]

I am pretty sure you can still trade a free agent... so isn't this an uneducated overreaction? (I.e. Hodge still could have been traded with a late pick even if he was a FA)

Good one, I didn't think of that, the Hawks could have matched our offer for Hodge, then we go to the trade table.

 

[Eons]

Wallace said the Lions have rorted the system and that Hodge was listed as a 2017 FA at the start of the season and he should have got to the Lions via FA thus cancelling out the Rocky compo.

Good on us for exploiting it.

Hodge coming to the Lions would have been worked out before he announced his retirement.

And we would have known Rocky was going at that time too.

 

[jackess]

Even if we picked him up as the free agent it wouldn't change a thing. Even if it knocked our compo down from band 2 to band 3 we'd probably end up with the same picks anyway.

So ******* ignorant.

 

[JasperBeardly]

Wallace said the Lions have rorted the system and that Hodge was listed as a 2017 FA at the start of the season and he should have got to the Lions via FA thus cancelling out the Rocky compo.

Surely this is much ado about nothing? I mean even if we got him as a FA, how would Hodge possibly cancel out compo for Rocky? It's the net result of ins and outs. What's Hodge, 33/34? Would be stunned if he would cancel out compo for a 27yo Rocky? Maybe push it back one band or something, but not cancel it out all together.

 

[M Malice]

A talk back caller came on from Brisbane called Steve IIRC but I would say 100% it was Dom Fay, can't miss that voice. They cut him off before he could get into his question and Wallace just kept rambling on.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

What a surprise the Wallet and Damo would run with this. Two of our biggest supporters.

 

[If it bleeds]

Haha Plough, like many other "so called experts" go for the click bait type headlines. It Made the listeners wait 30 minutes for a BS non thought out statement.
Mind you other journos will probably think what have we missed
Herald sun headline tomorrow - LIONS RORT SYSTEM
And the click bait continues......

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

So we lose a former All Australian, captain and B&F winner and gain a retired veteran who was unwanted by his club and get proper value and we are rorting the system.

 

[Groo2]

A talk back caller came on from Brisbane called Steve IIRC but I would say 100% it was Dom Fay, can't miss that voice. They cut him off before he could get into his question and Wallace just kept rambling on.

Yeah thought that as well. Why not call as Dom?

 

[Tom14]

Ironic that Angus monfries announced his retirement today

 

[Roylion]

Haha Plough, like many other "so called experts" go for the click bait type headlines. It Made the listeners wait 30 minutes for a BS non thought out statement.
Mind you other journos will probably think what have we missed
Herald sun headline tomorrow - LIONS RORT SYSTEM
And the click bait continues......

Now we have on SEN

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/10/10/how-hodge-and-lions-exploited-compensation-loophole/

I'm still confused as to what Wallace's point is. As far as I understand it, FAs can be traded for a draft pick. FAs can also be picked up via the PSD. Either way if a draft pick is involved, the 'FA' player doesn't go to another club for nothing.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Ironic that Angus monfries announced his retirement today

Yep that's the one that I can remember.

Port didn't sign him as a free agent, as it would have affected the Pearce / Chaplin compensation, Essendon were happy to let him go reasonably easily, because they stood to get no compensation as they already grabbed Goddard via F/A

Good list management IMO

 

[Tom14]

Now we have on SEN

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/10/10/how-hodge-and-lions-exploited-compensation-loophole/

I'm still confused as to what Wallace's point is. As far as I understand it, FAs can be traded for a draft pick. FAs can also be picked up via the PSD. Either way if a draft pick is involved, the 'FA' player doesn't go to another club for nothing.

Comes close to some almost defamatory allusions to collusion due to the close relationship between Clarkson and Fagan. Not a big deal overall I guess but it's pretty typical of how we get treated differently from other clubs.

 

[trikster]

Comes close to some almost defamatory allusions to collusion due to the close relationship between Clarkson and Fagan. Not a big deal overall I guess but it's pretty typical of how we get treated differently from other clubs.

Listening to it at the time I was thinking the same thing. It was interesting that when Wallace first started talking about it he was very gung-ho about the possible collusion but the further in to the discussion he got he back right away .... I wonder if he realised how ridiculous he sounded.
Also he countered his whole argument by saying Hawthorn wouldn't have received a pick for Hodge because of his age ... so as a few have said above, clickbait, flog, nothing to see here

 

[MSB ROYS]

Confusing is a word I associate with Wallace.

 

[M Malice]

David Noble on Trade Radio in 10-15 minutes.

 

[royboys4eva]

Let's see what Noble has to say in next 10 mins.

 

[royboys4eva]

Good to hear we are going to the AFL to ask them about Free Agency compensation. Clearly the club is filthy with the outcomes. I like how Noble described it - secret herb and spices. Nice dig at the AFL without being to upfront.

 

[trikster]

Greg Swann on SEN today(?)

 

[trikster]

New chairman Andrew Wellington on SEN yesterday

 

[Forward We Go]

IMO, The Lions now have one of the best administrations in the comp along with one of the best coaching groups available. So exciting to be able to say that knowing that means we are on the rise and, more importantly, doing it the right way which enables us (as supporters) the pleasure of witnessing it all happen in our lifetime.

 

[Full Wingspan]

For those interested in law or accounting the club lost a case last year against the commissioner for state revenue regarding the tax treatment of 'image rights' for players and coaches. We recently appealed that decision (Brisbane Bears – Fitzroy Football Club Limited v Commissioner of State Revenue [2017] QCA 223) and the case was dismissed with an order for the club to pay the SRO's costs.

It will be interesting to see the repercussions this has for other clubs and other mechanisms that could be used to reimburse players. Clearly the club had a considerable stake in the decision and was quite keen to run the matter. The decision related to payroll tax reassessments for the financial years ending 30 June 2008 to 30 June 2012.

A Supreme Court of Queensland decision has highlighted the broad scope of payments that are subject to payroll tax – and the importance of getting the documentation right.

In Brisbane Bears – Fitzroy Football Club Ltd v Commissioner of State Revenue, the court considered whether payments made by the Brisbane Lions for players’ and coaches’ ‘image rights’ were subject to payroll tax.

Payments for ‘image rights’ or payments for services?

Each Brisbane Lions player entered into a ‘standard playing contract’, which was an agreement between the player, the Brisbane Lions and the AFL. The standard playing contract set out the services to be performed by the player in his capacity as an employee of the club, and the payments that the club would make for those services.

The Brisbane Lions also entered into two other types of agreements, referred to as ‘additional services agreements’:

• a ‘direct’ agreement – where a player agreed to perform additional services for the club for a fee; and
• an ‘indirect’ agreement – where a player had granted a related company a non-exclusive right to use his image, and then the company agreed to grant the club the right to use that image and procure the player to perform additional services, for a fee.

The additional services were generally for the player promoting and marketing the game – either in the media, making appearances at community events or in marketing material. The ‘additional services agreements’ gave the Brisbane Lions the right to use the player’s image as part of providing those services.

The payments were not split between the services actually performed and the use of a player’s image. Instead, the payments appeared to be treated as for the services, and the use of the image was incidental to performing those services.

The Brisbane Lions argued that the payments in respect of the use of the image were not subject to payroll tax because they were not made in respect of services.

What payments are subject to payroll tax?

The court confirmed that there were issues to work through.

• The first issue was whether the payments fell within the definition of ‘wages’ – which is defined to mean wages, remuneration, salary, commission, bonuses or allowances paid or payable … to an employee as an employee …
• The second issue was then whether the ‘wages’ were liable to payroll tax, which in this case turned on whether the payments were in respect of services performed or rendered.

The court rejected the Brisbane Lions’ argument that the payments were for ‘image rights’. It concluded that:

• for the ‘direct’ agreements – the payments were made to the player as an employee in relation to the marketing and promotional services performed; and
• for the ‘indirect’ agreements – the payments were deemed by a specific anti-avoidance provision to also fall within the definition of taxable wages, even though a related entity received the payment, rather than the player.

Is the decision only relevant for payments for image rights?

No, the Commissioner will draw support from the decision where payments are made to employees and directors, but the character of these payments are unclear.

The case highlights the importance of carefully drafting agreements. The court’s role was to characterise the payments that were made under the agreements, and it was unable to conclude from the agreements that the payments were made in connection with anything other than services. This was because the use of the image rights was incidental to the performance of the players’ promotional and marketing activities.

The Commissioner is conducting extensive audit activity on payroll tax matters at the moment. We recommend clients review their payroll tax positions to minimise any possible exposures.[\quote]

Source: www.cgw.com.au/publication/tough-year-brisbane-lions-finish-loss-commissioner-state-revenue-payroll-tax/

 

[Pacman82]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/12/20/lions-ready-to-roar-again-says-christensen/

 

[Cockliff38]

Woah - Hugh signs for three years

 

[Rivanwarder]

http://m.lions.com.au/news/2017-12-21/hugh-mccluggage-resigns