Toast I have faith in Ken Hinkley

[Doctor Feel]

On a positive note;

Im feeling like the list is quite balanced at the moment. We have quality depth in most areas and some exciting prospects coming through.

Personally im a big fan of some of the list management decisions that have been made over the off season and you can bet ur ass that Kenny played a big part in that.

Lets hope it all comes together this season.

This was the biggest standout factor from the draft this year. We delisted positions we had surplus of and bought in positions that were at a premium. It's a shame it took so long to address this list profile issue though. It's been around for the better part of a decade.

 

[1954]

Apart from the Malthouse/Buckley awkward transition clusterf@#k, when was the last time a coach was sacked despite making the finals?

The Aint's coach after the 1997 gf?

 

[Pappagallo]

The Aint's coach after the 1997 gf?

Really? He made the 97 GF and then they sacked him before 98?

I don't remember because I was literally 12.

 

[Peck]

Apart from the Malthouse/Buckley awkward transition clusterf@#k, when was the last time a coach was sacked despite making the finals?

Did Carlton make then finals when Ratten was sacked?

 

[Steve Dore]

The Aint's coach after the 1997 gf?

Really? He made the 97 GF and then they sacked him before 98?

I don't remember because I was literally 12.

Stan Alves coached the Saints in 1998. His contract wasn't renewed at the end of the 1998 season. He was replaced by Tim Watson.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Apart from the Malthouse/Buckley awkward transition clusterf@#k, when was the last time a coach was sacked despite making the finals?

Grant Thomas at end of 2006 after they lost the elimination final.

 

[1954]

Really? He made the 97 GF and then they sacked him before 98?

I don't remember because I was literally 12.

Yep, Stan Alves was sacked, and from memory it happened only about a week after the 1997 gf was played.

I had better check it out on google before one of the fact Nazis points out that I'm a few days out.

Edit
I was a year out, but at least wharfie isn't one of the fact Nazis.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Did Carlton make then finals when Ratten was sacked?

Nope, but they did 3 years in a row, 2009-11 before that under Ratten.

 

[Pappagallo]

Did Carlton make then finals when Ratten was sacked?

Nah they made the finals (I reckon they even won one) and he got his contract extended on the back of it, but then they missed the finals the following year and that triggered his sacking.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Yep, Stan Alves was sacked, and from memory it happened only about a week after the 1997 gf was played.

I had better check it out on google before one of the fact Nazis points out that I'm a few days out.

Edit
I was a year out, but at least wharfie isn't one of the fact Nazis.

They sacked him based on Saint's taking a nose dive the last 6 weeks before the finals, lost 5 of 6 I think, and went from top with something like 12-4 win loss, to 4th or 5th and then went out in straight sets in the finals - under the old top 8 system.

 

[Pappagallo]

Grant Thomas at end of 2006 after they lost the elimination final.

Ding ding ding we have a winner! Thanks REH.

So in summary I think it's very unlikely that Kern will get the chop if we make the finals (even moreso since he still has a year to run) but it's not without precedent.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

Mick Malthouse wasn't sacked but was replaced after the 2011GF

 

[1954]

They sacked him based on Saint's taking a nose dive the last 6 weeks before the finals, lost 5 of 6 I think, and went from top with something like 12-4 win loss, to 4th or 5th and then went out in straight sets in the finals - under the old top 8 system.

Tony Jewell was sacked by Richmond in 1981, 1 year after winning the flag ( their last ).
He was appointed coach again in the mid 80's ( a seemingly bizarre decision ), but the tiggers and strange management decisions tend to go hand in hand.

 

[TeeKray]

Grant Thomas at end of 2006 after they lost the elimination final.

And GT was only really sacked because of personal and business dealings turned sour with the president Rod Butterss.

Hinkley is safe with a finals finish.

 

[Pappagallo]

Mick Malthouse wasn't sacked but was replaced after the 2011GF

I mentioned that one at the beginning as an exception since it was a prearranged transition that went south after Mick suddenly had huge success that led to second thoughts.

And GT was only really sacked because of personal and business dealings turned sour with the president Rod Butterss.

Hinkley is safe with a finals finish.

Yep I think he is rock solid for 2018 with a finals finish. The only question will be if they extend his contract on the back of that or wait and see how things unfold in 2018.

 

[Portmanteau]

Apart from the Malthouse/Buckley awkward transition clusterf@#k, when was the last time a coach was sacked despite making the finals?

Choco after we were the bestest non-finals team foreverest*

 

[Garibaldi Red]

I mentioned that one at the beginning as an exception since it was a prearranged transition that went south after Mick suddenly had huge success that led to second thoughts.



Yep I think he is rock solid for 2018 with a finals finish. The only question will be if they extend his contract on the back of that or wait and see how things unfold in 2018.

Apologies, didn't go back far enough

 

[Pappagallo]

Choco after we were the bestest non-finals team foreverest*

The GOAT N-FOAT.

 

[Killer Power]

If Hinkley gets us to finals the next 2 seasons he will likely get an extension, if we win a few it is almost guaranteed. We will continue to think we are only a player or two away from a premiership.

 

[Janus]

If Hinkley gets us to finals the next 2 seasons he will likely get an extension, if we win a few it is almost guaranteed. We will continue to think we are only a player or two away from a premiership.

Just four in the one year will do fine.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Just four in the one year will do fine.

For a start......

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Stan Alves coached the Saints in 1998. His contract wasn't renewed at the end of the 1998 season. He was replaced by Tim Watson.

That's a bit like replacing the Titanic with the Marie Celeste.

 

[bomberclifford]

Ding ding ding we have a winner! Thanks REH.

So in summary I think it's very unlikely that Kern will get the chop if we make the finals (even moreso since he still has a year to run) but it's not without precedent.

I think if we scrape into the finals and fail to win one, then he's still gone.

 

[Pappagallo]

I think if we scrape into the finals and fail to win one, then he's still gone.

Even with a year to run? It's possible, but I reckon they'll spin the 'upswing' narrative and keep him for 2018 (saving a few hundred k in the process).

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

We won 4 of 12 at AO and 6 of 10 on the road. If you reckon we are going to improve then we should still win 6 of 10 on the road and we should be winning 7 or 8 or 9 at home.