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Lets talk Corona, how does the club survive this, including players fans etc...!!!
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We’re in a pretty good state. 1 in 250 who have had it have died. Much less than almost every where else. Also the curve is almost at the flat point now. If we keep it under control we’ll get through it fairly quickly. I assume we’ll go into stage 4 but that’s not for sure. I’m thinking for 2-4 weeks we could be closing down for until businesses gradually open up again. 2 months of shutdown seems over the top let alone 6 months. Doesn’t look like we’ll be hit half as bad as thought
I agree but naturally need to the discussed in worse case otherwise people will be even less willing to heed measures. Just need everyone to go the right thing for the time being and we’ll pull through this
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yeah no need to rush but keep in check. No reason why footy won’t be back soon. Would love to see crowds back soon too. Can’t take risks too early but also not be too cautious
So far, of the 756 positive tests only 4 have required acute ICU care , that’s 0.4% . Should positive tests reach 80,000 in Victoria , we ll run out of ICU however I see the trend curve is beginning to turn in our favour . Hopefully footy back in June
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Torquay Tiger Vlastuin misses the den as pandemic reality bites
When footy stopped Nick Vlastuin did what he does whenever the football merry-go-round offers a break: he retreated to the beach.
Torquay Tiger Vlastuin misses the den as pandemic reality bites
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When footy stopped Nick Vlastuin did what he does whenever the football merry-go-round offers a break: he retreated to the beach.
Vlastuin is in Torquay completing two townhouses he has been building. He is a qualified carpenter and working towards his building licence. The places are at lock-up stage and with footy in limbo he has spent his time on the tools doing the finishing touches.
Nick Vlastuin is spending football's down time working on two townhouses but is keen to get back to playing.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
From an unwelcome break, it was a welcome opportunity.
But, like everyone, he is sick of looking at four walls, no matter how perfectly straight he has now made them. He'd rather see 40 teammates. He'd rather see a dozen coaches and medicos. He'd rather see a Sherrin and the clock on the Punt Road silo.
Vlastuin is a keen surfer and he has been trying to get in the water to keep his fitness up but even that is proving difficult.
The disregard of physical-distancing rules, with thousands laying on towels on top of one another at beaches, saw the car parks at his favourite surf spot at Point Addis closed. So he can barely get to the beach now, let alone get a wave.
He doesn’t have weights or a gym at Torquay so he is stuck improvising with building materials in the backyard for weights, going for runs and kicking a ball to himself.
“I have to do the running, I can’t afford not to do the running but I can afford not to do weights for a while and pick it up again,” he said.
Vlastuin loves the summers at Torquay, which makes for a conundrum as football looks to push back into his regular summer break.
On the one hand he gets to play, which is good. On the other hand he has, well, the complexion for winter sport (he might be a keen surfer but wetsuits offer more protection than a black and yellow footy jumper and a pair of shorts).
“I am not usually too good in the hot weather and the sun, being pale skinned so footy in the off-season when you are usually wanting to do something else is not great but playing footy is better than not playing footy,” Vlastuin said.
“I would like to fit those games in and be able to play. And then we won’t have to do as long a pre-season for next year, which is a positive.”
Nick Vlastuin in action during Richmond's first-round match before the postponement.CREDIT:AAP
The coronavirus at one point appeared likely to present Richmond with a competitive edge over the rest of the competition as an experienced and physically mature group. And perhaps if teams return to play again this year after a long limbo it will be the more physically mature teams that cope best with the impact of the hiatus on training.
“There was talk about that early days when restrictions were coming in that it could give us a competitive advantage because the club looked after us so well. They said the measures are this but let's go over and above to get an advantage,” Vlastuin said.
“Now who knows if the season goes ahead or not. At the moment we have bigger things to worry about.”
Vlastuin said he was glad the season started and enjoyed the novelty of the crowd-free game, but thinks the novelty will get old fast and players will miss the crowds as much as crowds miss the players.
That said he was also relieved when the season was postponed.
“We had already had new measures in, training was only in groups of six. One of the best things about footy is hanging around with 40 of your mates, so by the end of the week it was like what is the point?
“We didn’t have a choice in the end. When it got called off it was a bit of a relief in the end because of the keyboard warriors.
“It was nothing personally directed towards me but you would see on Instagram the AFL would post a photo and the top comments were people hammering players for playing.
“But then on the other hand my mates and heaps of people you would speak [to] were rapt about footy going ahead.”
Richmond, as the reigning premier, the team that has two flags in three years, returned this year and in round one looked to have lost no hunger.
All sides will be frustrated at the season being taken away but for a side with a strong early claim on this year’s premiership and thus for a flag that would enhance its historic standing, or dynasty, it is an added frustration to the postponement. It is not an aspect Vlastuin gives voice to.
“Maybe in 10 years we will look back on this season and say what if we got a full season? But at the moment footy seems second fiddle to everything else. People are losing their lives.
‘’Maybe in five years or 10 years people will look back and say that.”
The bigger concern for him right now is looking around and seeing only the townhouses he is building and not his 40 teammates. It is looking around and knowing that the coaches and people he works with so closely are not there, they are at home without a wage and the deep uncertainty of whether they will have jobs at the end of all of this and how they will put food on the table in the meantime.
“All of our coaches have been stood down and are not getting paid, I want to get back playing as soon as I can so they can get paid and get their jobs back.”
If I hear one more wise guy compare the membership of a club to a ruddy Kayo subscription, ill spew up
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It worries me the only clubs that could survive without AFL funding are Richmond, Hawthorn, Collinwood and West Coast.
Reports of 600 million credit line with assets of RFC used as guarantee is also deeply concerning.
I feel the club is trapped and cannot grow due to socialist over reach.
The level of employees at AFL HQ compared to English premier league HQ is staggering
To me it appears growth of the game is being stymied by consolidation and control at AFL HQ versus innovation and competition from the clubs. The ivory tower thought process is too removed from the pulse of the people thus AFLX and Gold Coast gets constructed without proper preparation and consultation.
The clubs need more autonomy to innovate and grow the game and not be restricted by the lowest common denominator. For example I would have Richmond playing Collingwood on the weekend in their own quarantine arrangement based on a case by case basis. This is where RFC members are asked to subsidise others in the industry outside the club!!
Reports of 600 million credit line with assets of RFC used as guarantee is also deeply concerning.
I feel the club is trapped and cannot grow due to socialist over reach.
The level of employees at AFL HQ compared to English premier league HQ is staggering
To me it appears growth of the game is being stymied by consolidation and control at AFL HQ versus innovation and competition from the clubs. The ivory tower thought process is too removed from the pulse of the people thus AFLX and Gold Coast gets constructed without proper preparation and consultation.
The clubs need more autonomy to innovate and grow the game and not be restricted by the lowest common denominator. For example I would have Richmond playing Collingwood on the weekend in their own quarantine arrangement based on a case by case basis. This is where RFC members are asked to subsidise others in the industry outside the club!!
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combine the FA and the EPL staffing to compare to the AFL (as it does both their functions)
running a game takes a lot more manpower than running one comp
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Does this centralised approach inhibit growth by consolidating power and reducing innovation and alternative perspectives reflective of the broader community?
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I have said it before, I will say it again RFC is getting hurt at the moment along with the players by not playing at the moment against someone like Collingwood even if it was a separate series outside the home and away
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...l/news-story/2c5c2f018bc34af523febc39176a892a
If RFC has a revenue problem the best way to fix that is play games even if unsanctioned
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...l/news-story/2c5c2f018bc34af523febc39176a892a
If RFC has a revenue problem the best way to fix that is play games even if unsanctioned
It would be illegal to do so under the current social isolation rules...
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no, it compromises the afl however, as their vision for the game is only a vision for the afl - state leagues and grassroots are seen as nothing more than a resource for the afl to exploit
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Why would they not be exempt?
Why would a group of 44 footballers playing a lenghty physical game of football be exempt from 'Social Isolating' rules that the General Public have to obey or risk being fined/jailed?!?
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because they are operating in a separate quarantined environment and are therefore exempt like freight trucks going across interstate
This is where Gil got it wrong and use community links as an excuse. The footy set-up is a club orientation separate from the broader community with club like protocols and governance to protect them where the membership of the group affords them exclusive protection and safety opportunities not provided to the public as a result of their membership of the group
NRL looking to play in June now. How are they going to do that with the general rules??
Where is there a separate quarantined environment for Joe Public that's suitable for a lengthy physical football match between 44 players?!?
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joe public is not part of the AFL club set-up(separate to club membership) so has to watch from home like the first round.
Unlike AFL, government allow a lot of riff raft into society so to curtail this in risky scenarios they bring in draconian measures to control those that are more arguably more uncontrollable like those that will not self isolate when coming back into the country and so now forced into hotels. AFL have more control over their AFL club set-up especially since they have incentives like paying the player and other support staff wages
How are 44 footballers going to get permission to play a lenghty physical competitive footy match and from whom?!!?
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Who do they have to get permission from??
They are AFL FOOTBALLERS, not run of the mill public community.
Who is the stopper??
The community social construct argument does not apply to them especially when arguably the peoples will through the market provides them higher safety measures via revenue streams!
For example in terms of business models the revenue from fox to Richmond and Collingwood from the game being broadcast allows the provision of enhanced virus protection protocols and procedures to the players and support staff.
So for example players and support stay get paid to play and if one or two breach measures in place they do not get paid to play and get penalties. The incentive mechanism is quite simple. This is different from an organised community protest where protest organisers have difficulty raising protest revenue to fund and control protest participants
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Where are these 44 footballers going to play?!?
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a truck is one block in a truck by himself, interacting with just a few people at servos and the pick up/destination
a footy player is interacting with 43 other players and just as many support staff.
but yeah, exactly the same
footy is not gunna happen while stage 3 is in place
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where ever, punt road, Victoria park, craigeburn, the black stump.
Broadcasters just have to set up
Won't happen...
Thank our lucky stars if there's even a modified 2021 Season...
Just as we (RFC) got back to our rightful place in the AFL hierachy we get pole axed by CV...it's all over baby blue...what ever will be...will be...
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I disagree.
Where there is a will there is a way and the Vic premier has shown himself to be a little off centre at least with the perspective on restrictions like not letting partners meet when not residing with each other at one point.
At the end of the day the peoples will will prevail otherwise we are infinitely living in slavedom even if it means the people rise up in revolution!!
The ivory tower decision makers are not necessarily privy to the growing pent up frustration of those not having an outlet being couped up forever between four walls either
The other thing is the chief, to keep the club viable, has to keep the membership happy and that may mean feeding them in whatever way he can and most want to see footy which is why they bought the membership in the first place primarily I think!
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