Marc Murphy vs Trent Cotchin, are they currently at the same level?

[T2B_]

Lol Murphy has been tagged, bashed and driven into the ground from day 1

 

[Donakebab]

Murphy hasn't been tagged his entire career like Cotchin and plays more outside. Don't get me wrong he's still gun but the knocks on Cotchin are a bit inflated and exaggerated.

Just as saying Trent has always been tagged is a bit inflated and exaggerated. Deledio has often drawn the tag as he's the most damaging player on the Richmond list. Also there's virtually nothing between Murphy and Cotchin in clearance and contested stats, despite Murphy being more "outside".

 

[eaglespremiers]

Murphy hasn't been tagged his entire career like Cotchin and plays more outside. Don't get me wrong he's still gun but the knocks on Cotchin are a bit inflated and exaggerated.

Wasn't the defining characteristic of Murphy's first year that he was aggressively tagged?

 

[Schraderbrau]

Murphy plays one good game in three years and all of a sudden he's streets ahead of a bloke that's played 3 bad games in the last three seasons

 

[Monkey King]

Murphy plays one good game in three years ...

Eh?

 

[The Edukator]

Murphy plays one good game in three years and all of a sudden he's streets ahead of a bloke that's played 3 bad games in the last three seasons

Clearly you don't watch him play football and just parrot what you read in the bay. It just makes you look dumb.

 

[SickQwon]

Murphy plays one good game in three years and all of a sudden he's streets ahead of a bloke that's played 3 bad games in the last three seasons

Wow...

 

[stew42]

Cotchin has underwhelmed for a vast majority of his career, ever since 2012 really. Murphy has been better, but not by much. However, if he were in a decent side during the beginning of his career, and was allowed to develop without the added responsibility, he'd be even better.

 

[Cringle]

Murphy by far. Not even a contest.

 

[The Joker]

I cant wait till the end of the year when the Tiger fans bring out Trents stats as if these 59 possessions over the past 2 weeks have been first class...

 

[raskolnikov]

I hate Carlton and don't particularly mind Richmond but Murphy easily.

 

[The Joker]

Wait for it...






Waaaiiiittttt for iiiiit...

 

[Tiger2709]

Wait for it...






Waaaiiiittttt for iiiiit...

Nice bump but what are we waiting for, the bleeding obvious?

 

[Monkey King]

Nice bump but what are we waiting for, the bleeding obvious?

Yup! It's bleeding obvious Murphy that still had the edge on Cotchin in 2017.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Stats, lol.

 

[Tiger2709]

Yup! It's bleeding obvious Murphy that still had the edge on Cotchin in 2017.

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Yeah stats are always right

Value as a Captain, its Cotchin by the length of the MCG on GF day.

 

[Monkey King]

The story tells itself. Don’t let the glint of light from the premiership cup blind you here. Cotchin plays in the better team. Murphy is the better player.

 

[tigerT]

Cotchin has now gone to a level Murphy cant attain

 

[Shazza_]

Murphy isn’t fit to tie Cotchin’s shoelace. Cotchin is the tougher, harder, more talented and more damaging player not to mention he is one of the best leaders in the competition.

Murphy is what most people would call a wasted high pick

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Cotch has him beat pretty easily now in terms of accolades. Maybe before 2017 it was closer but now with a premiership captain honour on the resume, Cotch pulls further ahead.

2x B&F's for Murphy, 1x AFLCA and 1x AA - same as Cotchin

vs

3x B&F's (1 in a finals year), 1x Brownlow, and also 1 AFLCA and AA selection. Also a premiership captain and has more career Brownlow votes despite playing fewer games.

 

[Trav 20]

Cotchin's physicality went to a level Murphy is incapable of matching. His impact on games in 2017 exceeded any level Murphy has reached. Size has its advantages.

Cotchin's challenge will be to back it up.

 

[Monkey King]

Wait for it...






Waaaiiiittttt for iiiiit...

Lol. Well called. The yellow and black nuffs have arrived. And out gets furled the “premiership captain” arguement, as if playing for a better team makes him a better player. The stats are pretty clear, Cotch is still behind Murphy.

 

[Shazza_]

Lol. Well called. The yellow and black nuffs have arrived. And out gets furled the “premiership captain” arguement, as if playing for a better team makes him a better player. The stats are pretty clear, Cotch is still behind Murphy.

Mate you delusional if you think Murphy is anywhere near Cotchin .

 

[Tiger2709]

The story tells itself. Don’t let the glint of light from the premiership cup blind you here. Cotchin plays in the better team. Murphy is the better player.

Cotchin in 2012 won a Brownlow in a team of similar quality to Carltons current team, this year he went to another level where his Captaincy was rated at a level similar to Voss by Leigh Mathews, he was rated 2nd best player in the finals series after Dustin Martin and his rise as a Captain came about by gaining less champion data type stats and more of the intangibles that drive teams to win a flag.

I was just reading the Yellow and Black book about how we went from 13th to a flag and there was a quote often attributed to Albert Einstein on the value of stats "not everything that counts can be counted. Not everything that can be counted counts."
Now Murphy is obviously a good player as your stats show, Cotchin is also a good player but a much better Captain, unfortunately CD type stats dont quantify great leadership.

 

[juss]

Lol. Well called. The yellow and black nuffs have arrived. And out gets furled the “premiership captain” arguement, as if playing for a better team makes him a better player. The stats are pretty clear, Cotch is still behind Murphy.

Cotchins 2017 finals series (and 2017 season in general) ices it for now. He played with great hardness and leadership that it put him on another level. You can have your stats, we'll have Cotch on game impact.