Player Watch Most overrated players (current & retired) part 2

[Captain_Bender]

Gee, it's easy to trigger you Richmond fans.

One premiership and you act like your shit doesn't stink.

Can't wait until Richmond gets found out, and their bubble bursts, and their fluking of a flag is exposed as just that, and they sink back to the bottom.

Win two more flags in the next few years, then you can hang with us in the modern era.

Lol Geelong have a decent 5 years almost a decade ago and their supporters still think their club is relevant

 

[Catters 070911]

Lol Geelong have a decent 5 years almost a decade ago and their supporters still think their club is relevant

Richmond have had ONE good year, and think that they are relevant.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Richmond have had ONE good year, and think that they are relevant.

Yet will when their next premiership before Geelong even get close

 

[Catters 070911]

Yet will when their next premiership before Geelong even get close

Ohh, take you long to think up that response?

 

[Captain_Bender]

Ohh, take you long to think up that response?

Not as long as you did junior

 

[Topkent]

Every game of Judd's career was televised compared to less than half of Harvey's, of course he'll have a more extensive highlights package. How much of Harvey's career did you actually see? My guess is very little.

Says he's 30 on his profile, he's literally guessing from the memories he has of post 30 year old Harvey haha

 

[Aramis]

As a Geelong supporter, and Gazza jr and his dad being two of my favourite all-time players, normally I would be offended by you underrating Gazza.

But I must admit, that he has slowed down, and his days of playing in the midfield is nigh.

But I think he would be better value this year as a permanent small forward, and still has the tricks to sneak a few goals.

Could not agree more, throw him forward try and get him one out and he will beat most small defenders....

 

[Grrr]

Gee, it's easy to trigger you Richmond fans.

One premiership and you act like your shit doesn't stink.

Can't wait until Richmond gets found out, and their bubble bursts, and their fluking of a flag is exposed as just that, and they sink back to the bottom.

Win two more flags in the next few years, then you can hang with us in the modern era.

Who is acting like who's shit doesn't stink.... two more flags and we can be hanging with Geelong.
A Richmond poster doesn't rate Ablett for his record in finals and you crack it and quote Bartlett as not having a great finals record, (who actually has a fantastic finals record). You are doing exactly what that Richmond posters did.

I have seen 5 Grand Finals, so I am quite comfortable with that.

 

[My Tilly]

Kevin Bartlett spent most of his career as a mid only played up forward from 1980 onwards when he was 33

He averaged 22 disposals and 1.5 goals per game playing as a rover/forward pocket during those years.
Paul Chapman averaged very similar statistics for Geelong playing a similar role in all his finals appearances.

I am not suggesting Bartlett is overrated. He wasn't. He was an all time great but I think people forget that Ablett only began playing in finals when he was in his late 20's.
In the 1995 grand final, he was 34 years of age and playing against a bloke 6 years younger.

It's all what if's, but if Geelong managed to feature in finals in the early to mid 80's, I'm sure we would have witnessed something similar to the 1989 final series.

 

[doug85]

For the sake of discussion/argument.

Mason Cox isnt "overrated" he is just tall and the Magpies can use his height because he can mark the ball so he draws defenders. He is just a puzzle piece that gets used because he has utility.

Jaeger O'Meara pre-injuries wasnt overrated, since coming to Hawthorn and getting his career back on track he has been riding the coat tails of his pre-injury reputation somewhat. He has lost his explosiveness and instead of being the A1 star that it was hoped he would be, he is now just a solid midfielder who has his moments. Did Hawks over rate him? well he was hard to put value on but the upside was worth the risk, in hindsight, overrated and we paid a lot. End of the day as it stands he isn't overrated by the footy world but rated exactly where he should be, that is, decent midfielder who is not the same player he promised to be pre-injury.

Tyrone Vickery is not overrated at all, everyone knows he is a complete spud. Hawthorn thought they could make him serviceable and get him to provide good contests. well that was no less than a trainwreck.

Tom Boyd is tough... he is still worth every cent for that 1 game. Holistically, yes at a time he was overrated (like O'Meara when Hawks signed him) when the Bulldogs offered him that monster contract he was just a young promising tall forward. This is like the O'Meara trade which was an exercise in risk v reward. Clubs need to take chances some times. Overall definitely overrated but that is acceptable given that he was integral in winning a flag for the Dogs.

People argue Boyd was worth it for those two finals alone. I think people need to factor in opportunity cost when weighing up Boyd’s value.

 

[Captain_Bender]

He averaged 22 disposals and 1.5 goals per game playing as a rover/forward pocket during those years.
Paul Chapman averaged very similar statistics for Geelong playing a similar role in all his finals appearances.

I am not suggesting Bartlett is overrated. He wasn't. He was an all time great but I think people forget that Ablett only began playing in finals when he was in his late 20's.
In the 1995 grand final, he was 34 years of age and playing against a bloke 6 years younger.

It's all what if's, but if Geelong managed to feature in finals in the early to mid 80's, I'm sure we would have witnessed something similar to the 1989 final series.

I don't really see why age would be a factor Kevin Bartlett played one of the greatest finals series in 1980 when he was 33

 

[Grrr]

I don't really see why age would be a factor Kevin Bartlett played one of the greatest finals series in 1980 when he was 33

Bartlett was a freak in that he lost no speed at all. I guess Ablett in his peak at 25 years old was also a freak, but lost a bit of that as he got older.

 

[My Tilly]

I don't really see why age would be a factor Kevin Bartlett played one of the greatest finals series in 1980 when he was 33

Age is incredibly beneficial when you entering a finals series. If you are young and still in your athletic prime, you can dictate the game on your terms.
When you get to 30+, you have to rely on your teammates to do a lot more in order to help you beat your opponents.

Matthew Richardson is a good example. Just envision him playing finals in the 90's when he was the original Buddy Franklin in full flight.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Age is incredibly beneficial when you entering a finals series. If you are young and still in your athletic prime, you can dictate the game on your terms.
When you get to 30+, you have to rely on your teammates to do a lot more in order to help you beat your opponents.

Matthew Richardson is a good example. Just envision him playing finals in the 90's when he was the original Buddy Franklin in full flight.

I've always wondered how different a player Richo could have been if he never did his knee, especially seeing that Richmond made the prelim the year he did

 

[ManOfClay]

People argue Boyd was worth it for those two finals alone. I think people need to factor in opportunity cost when weighing up Boyd’s value.

What opportunity cost?

 

[Donakebab]

Says he's 30 on his profile, he's literally guessing from the memories he has of post 30 year old Harvey haha

Yeah I actually saw that and decided further discussion wasn't worth it.

 

[Aramis]

People argue Boyd was worth it for those two finals alone. I think people need to factor in opportunity cost when weighing up Boyd’s value.

In what sense do you believe there was an opportunity cost in the Boyd situation?

The money being spent elsewhere is the obvious one...
Say we step through the sliding door and remove the trade for Boyd (and the flag)... what opportunity has been missed?

 

[ManOfClay]

In what sense do you believe there was an opportunity cost in the Boyd situation?

The money being spent elsewhere is the obvious one...
Say we step through the sliding door and remove the trade for Boyd (and the flag)... what opportunity has been missed?

A Boyd in the hand is worth two in the bush

 

[Val Keating]

In my team its Gaff, he gets a million possessions and damages no one.

Agree with that. Him being absent from WC’s finals campaign really highlighted it.

 

[doug85]

In what sense do you believe there was an opportunity cost in the Boyd situation?

The money being spent elsewhere is the obvious one...
Say we step through the sliding door and remove the trade for Boyd (and the flag)... what opportunity has been missed?

Salary cap space for two good players plus pick 6.

 

[ManOfClay]

Salary cap space for two good players plus pick 6.

Who were these two good players? Would they have wanted to come to the bulldogs in their end of 2014 state? Would we have kept pick six and still got them?

Would we have a flag if we had them and would they have played a great grand final and been crucial in a prelim?

Lots of question marks there. I’d take Boyd every time if it it got us to this point over the unknown

 

[Hainberg]

Who were these two good players? Would they have wanted to come to the bulldogs in their end of 2014 state? Would we have kept pick six and still got them?

Would we have a flag if we had them and would they have played a great grand final and been crucial in a prelim?

Lots of question marks there. I’d take Boyd every time if it it got us to this point over the unknown

I agree with this post. There are many "what ifs" in life and quite a lot of them happen in sport. But I think the Western Bulldogs would be very pleased with the last 5 or so years.

 

[Aramis]

Salary cap space for two good players plus pick 6.

Jeez... Boyd and a flag or 2 "good players" and pick 6.... thats a tough one... Im sure Bulldogs fans cant believe what they have missed out on.....

 

[William Wonka]

In my team its Gaff, he gets a million possessions and damages no one.

This post hasn't aged well

 

[HairyO]

I'll throw in Michael Hurley, Ben Stratton and Jake Carlisle .They are a bit like Stephen Cummings from the band the Sports, they are good but don't have that star quality to go to the next level.I did think Carlisle in particular would be a quality player .

Stratton has zero AA and never got a Brownlow vote.

Who is overrating him?

As a follow up, which forwards ever beat him? Who are the better mid sized defenders since Enright ?