List Mgmt. NGA, Father son watch

[GROTTO]

The Crows also have father-son rights over players with 200 or more games at SANFL clubs Norwood, Glenelg, Sturt and South Adelaide, provided those games were in a 20-year period between 1970 and 1990, before the Crows entered the AFL in 1991. [www.afl.com.au - May 9, 2018]

[australianfootball.com]

Why in f**k is there a starting a year of 1970? It should be irrelevant. I understand why its up to 1990, even then I think there should be a grace period of a few years, as in up to 1995 as an example?

A player at the end of his SANFL career should have been in theory very unlikely to be recruited. I know we did however recruit a lot of post 30 year old players.

Not the Crows fault or the players that were eligible but didnt make it, but I do wish we had some genuine superstars at the Crows that were father-sons to add to our rich culture and history.

 

[GROTTO]

Generally speaking I think also the number of games for eligibility should be scrapped. It should be based on the number of years a player is on the Club's list.

If a Club is willing to sacrifice its list/club by retaining a player that has been injured, there should be some reward for showing loyalty and faith to the player.

An immediate example that comes to mind is Wayne Milera

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Wayne Milera

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16.9

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10.0

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6.8

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4.3

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2.5

4star

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265.3

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15.0

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8.5

3star

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6.5

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3.5

3star

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1.0

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282.0

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11.4

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5.8

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5.6

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3.0

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1.4

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182.0

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, just 62 games since making his debut in 2016. His son, Carter in theory is still not eligible to be a father-son till the earliest ~2024 which is ridiculous, under the current rule of 100 games.

 

[Thetrader15]

On topic over at the SANFL website:

2022 SANFL U18 Talent Hub - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

a pair of Crows Next Generation prospects in Isaac Keeler and Max Michalanney are expected to feature next season.

Tall Roosters’ forward Keeler is tied to Adelaide through its indigenous NGA while Michalanney qualifies as a father-son after his dad Jim, a premiership player with Norwood, played 211 games for the Redlegs from 1974 to 1986.

(not sure if they have done the escort cup analysis)

Now that Daicos has gone to Collingowwod after his Dad played his 200 games in the VFL, they will make a change to the rule if he's any good.

Bookmark it.

 

[Thetrader15]

Generally speaking I think also the number of games for eligibility should be scrapped. It should be based on the number of years a player is on the Club's list.

If a Club is willing to sacrifice its list/club by retaining a player that has been injured, there should be some reward for showing loyalty and faith to the player.

An immediate example that comes to mind is Wayne Milera, just 62 games since making his debut in 2016. His son, Carter in theory is still not eligible to be a father-son till the earliest ~2024 which is ridiculous, under the current rule of 100 games.

We'd have an abundance of new candidates...CEY, Brodie Martin or Sam Shaw got kids?

Personally I think the whole thing should be scrapped. Look at the way the Cornes boys love the Pauer now, and I don't think it helped the Cloke boys too much.

Certainly 100 AFL games is too few.

 

[GROTTO]

We'd have an abundance of new candidates...CEY, Brodie Martin or Sam Shaw got kids?

Personally I think the whole thing should be scrapped. Look at the way the Cornes boys love the Pauer now, and I don't think it helped the Cloke boys too much.

Certainly 100 AFL games is too few.

100 games still would take ~ 4 years at the earliest (assuming finals were played). Which means he plays every game since he got drafted.

I think 5-6 years is a long enough time if a player has been on a Clubs list to be eligible for Father-son.

In regards to the Cornes boys, they like any other player would love the Club that they were drafted to and Im sure they would have shown as much passion and pride if they played for us, maybe even more so. IIRC if Graham had been made a member of our Admin for a year, Chad and Kane could have played for us.

I think Father-Son is more for the fans and that connection of old generation with new generation than anything else and its a concept that I hope it continues.
It also allows a player to follow directly in their father's footsteps and at least the AFL has provided a mechanism for a kid to do that.

 

[relapse]

SANFL site claiming Max Michalanney is aligned to Crows for his old man playing 200 games for Norwood up untill 1986 is this correct? Also is he any good Mutineer ?

WOW

As a kid I can remember "Big" Jim Michaelanney playing for Norwood back in the early 80s and I am pretty sure he was around a long while before that too.

Surely he would be in the his mid to late 60s now.

I'm guessing that Max must have been a mid life crisis baby.

 

[Thetrader15]

100 games still would take ~ 4 years at the earliest (assuming finals were played). Which means he plays every game since he got drafted.

I think 5-6 years is a long enough time if a player has been on a Clubs list to be eligible for Father-son.

In regards to the Cornes boys, they like any other player would love the Club that they were drafted to and Im sure they would have shown as much passion and pride if they played for us, maybe even more so. IIRC if Graham had been made a member of our Admin for a year, Chad and Kane could have played for us.

I think Father-Son is more for the fans and that connection of old generation with new generation than anything else and its a concept that I hope it continues.
It also allows a player to follow directly in their father's footsteps and at least the AFL has provided a mechanism for a kid to do that.

I don't think 5 years (player will 99% of the time be 23) is enough.

If this is to continue, I don't want the draft to be compromised by it like it currently is, with top end talent not being available to the league.

I think 200 games or 10 years on a list means that person has a left a big legacy at the club and then there is no matching in the first round.

These are players who have played 100 games for clubs (a few random ones)

Sam Mayes - Brisbane
Brian Leys - Richmond
Rory Atkins - Adelaide
Scott Stevens - Adelaide

Sure they made a contribution to the club, but IMO, it's not a long lasting legacy as a club great. Perhaps the Life Membership criteria of the crows is about righ, 100 games AND 10 years service.

 

[radiojake]

WOW

As a kid I can remember "Big" Jim Michaelanney playing for Norwood back in the early 80s and I am pretty sure he was around a long while before that too.

Surely he would be in the his mid to late 60s now.

I'm guessing that Max must have been a mid life crisis baby.

according to wiki, youngest of 5 kids - so yeah maybe one of those extra surprises that come along late

 

[Mutineer]

Didn't Alleer break his leg his draft year and we didn't get to see him at all?

Nope he he played early in the season in his draft year before sustaining an ankle injury that saw him miss the latter half of of the season in 2019.
Returned to Central's U18's as an over-ager in 2020 and also played 1 Reserves game during that season as well.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Under the original rule this was the case,
West Coast's would've expired in 2006, Adelaide 2010, Fremantle 2014, Port Adelaide 2016.
However, this was changed to allow any child of the aligned clubs to be a f/s player on the condition the 200 games (150 for the Perth clubs) were played before the team joined the AFL.

This is why Borlase could come to us as NGA. Darryl didn't play his 200 games before 1997. (I think he got to 199 - ouch)

Pardon my ignorance. The way I read the eligibility. Because Max was born before 2010 and his father played 200 SANFL games, he is still eligible as F/s. Those born after 2010 , not eligible.

 

[GrommoT]

Pardon my ignorance. The way I read the eligibility. Because Max was born before 2010 and his father played 200 SANFL games, he is still eligible as F/s. Those born after 2010 , not eligible.

The question is how many of Jim's 211 Norwood games were part of the National Club night games (eg. Escort cup) which apparently do not count for the F-S games tally.

 

[radiojake]

The question is how many of Jim's 211 Norwood games were part of the National Club night games (eg. Escort cup) which apparently do not count for the F-S games tally.

mentioned earlier, apparently Norwood only played 7 of them -

 

[Scorpus]

mentioned earlier, apparently Norwood only played 7 of them -

I looked over Jim's entire career and he might have played in as many as 19 overall including the various non-SANFL series in the 70s and 80s that Norwood played in

You'd have to find the player records to see what matches he was part of

 

[GrommoT]

mentioned earlier, apparently Norwood only played 7 of them -

Hopefully the club knows what the situation is but the fact the club has not made a song and dance about Max being eligible as a F-S to date doesn't bode well.

 

[Vader]

Why in f**k is there a starting a year of 1970? It should be irrelevant. I understand why its up to 1990, even then I think there should be a grace period of a few years, as in up to 1995 as an example?

A player at the end of his SANFL career should have been in theory very unlikely to be recruited. I know we did however recruit a lot of post 30 year old players.

Not the Crows fault or the players that were eligible but didnt make it, but I do wish we had some genuine superstars at the Crows that were father-sons to add to our rich culture and history.

There was originally a 20 year window, in which our F/S players had to have played all 200 games.

This was removed after the Gibbs-inspired review. Since then fathers have only needed to play 200 SANFL games before 1991 (when the Crows joined the AFL).

This change was referred to as the Grandfather rule, as most of the newly eligible fathers were old enough to have grandchildren of AFL age.

 

[Josh Jenkins #1Fan]

We are probably being quiet so Rucchi doesn’t catch on

 

[ams4crows]

If he's any good someone will find information to make him ineligible not a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Mego Red]

Between 1980 and 1986, Jim Michalanney could only have played a maximum of 7 games for Norwood in the night series, because that's the total number of games Norwood played

So unless there were other games included in his total career tally that would bring him under the 200 mark, he should be eligible (or his eligibility wouldn't be ruled out by Escort Cup/night series alone)

Mate, I have to say - you have one of the highest "quality level to post number" ratios on this board.

Just always very good content.

 

[Mego Red]

I looked over Jim's entire career and he might have played in as many as 19 overall including the various non-SANFL series in the 70s and 80s that Norwood played in

You'd have to find the player records to see what matches he was part of

Well? This seems like an ideal Scorpius endeavour ...

 

[Scorpus]

Well? This seems like an ideal Scorpius endeavour ...

I tried, I think I'd have to fly over to SA to get into paper records. Apparently there's a big book of SANFL records that a lot of the games records online are based off

 

[bigman]

Really liked max game in under 17 game versus WA. Good get for us if he is available

 

[hugecannon]

Really liked max game in under 17 game versus WA. Good get for us if he is available

What type of player is he?

 

[bigman]

What type of player is he?

Defender with some attacking flair. Could grow into 6 foot four player like his dad. Played as key back but will Need to grow a few more cm to do this at AFL. Has some footy IQ. Can take a good grab on first viewing. Good physique

 

[DJ75]

The question is how many of Jim's 211 Norwood games were part of the National Club night games (eg. Escort cup) which apparently do not count for the F-S games tally.

Don't need to check - Rucci will be all over it

 

[GrommoT]

Don't need to check - Rucci will be all over it

Like a roach on poo.