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Lol every club gets millions in distributions, thats uhhh.. what makes them distributions. What a peanut
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Lol every club gets millions in distributions, thats uhhh.. what makes them distributions. What a peanut
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We could raise $100k in about 5 minutes if you parked ken out the front and said you can peg a rotten egg at him for 20 bucks
Good to hear mate, does seem a bit like those Southern American ministers that doth protest homosexuals just a little too much - know what I mean?
Of course though he won't list what other clubs received in terms of distributions, just like that raw number for Port. Gives the impression of the AFL giving Port a large amount of funding.
Like don't mention that every club gets 10-11m in distribution as a base.
Red-faced Ken? Can someone who has a subscription, pin the article?
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Is it? Is it because these injury types have protocols for it?
Quote from Gil...
"When everyone's comfortable it's a mistake, I don't think it goes to independence; it goes to a poor decision," McLachlan said.
"At the moment, the focus is on systems and processes and what was going on on match day in what is - with two people coming off at once - obviously a pressure situation, how we can make sure the right decision is made every time."
"When everyone's comfortable it's a mistake, I don't think it goes to independence; it goes to a poor decision," McLachlan said.
"At the moment, the focus is on systems and processes and what was going on on match day in what is - with two people coming off at once - obviously a pressure situation, how we can make sure the right decision is made every time."
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AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan on Friday said Port Adelaide’s early admission of a mistake in the treatment of Aliir Aliir and Lachie Jones had helped limit an eventual $100,000 fine.
Only $50,000 of that fine will be paid in the club’s football department cap, but club doctor Mark Fisher will stay at the Power and the club’s premiership points and draft picks remain intact.The Power has now been involved in three AFL investigations over player head knocks since 2016.
But McLachlan said Port Adelaide had worked hard with his integrity team since last Saturday’s concussion drama to own the issue.
McLachlan said he was unsure if independent concussion doctors would have helped Fisher make a different decision as he returned Aliir to the field in five and a half minutes and ruled out Jones with a migraine instead of concussion.
But the league will write to clubs about their obligations about concussion management and conduct its own review at year’s end into concussion protocols.
Only $50,000 of that fine will be paid in the club’s football department cap, but club doctor Mark Fisher will stay at the Power and the club’s premiership points and draft picks remain intact.The Power has now been involved in three AFL investigations over player head knocks since 2016.
But McLachlan said Port Adelaide had worked hard with his integrity team since last Saturday’s concussion drama to own the issue.
McLachlan said he was unsure if independent concussion doctors would have helped Fisher make a different decision as he returned Aliir to the field in five and a half minutes and ruled out Jones with a migraine instead of concussion.
But the league will write to clubs about their obligations about concussion management and conduct its own review at year’s end into concussion protocols.
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The doctor made a mistake under pressure ?
He’s not being asked to triage a life/death situation in an ER !
A “mistake” is forgetting to send a bill - this was negligence.
Comfortable?
I’m astounded !
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I can see it now, some scumbag rubbing his hands together while sorting through hours of footage finding all Jay's head clashes.
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Did here an explanation of events yesterday from someone who works at the club.
Will elaborate further when I have more time to text.
Will elaborate further when I have more time to text.
just generalized points>
why is it, i have only heard of vfl/afl players having concussion issues, not making light of it, just does not seem to be a sanfl player having a problem with cte, not saying they do not, just not heard of it?
the club doctor was not running nazi death camps, the vilification against him is extreme. i am still not happy with aliir going back onto the field. a mistake was made.
i think the road toll on sa roads is a bigger issue. seeing people with brain injuries from accident trauma is very confronting.
why is it, i have only heard of vfl/afl players having concussion issues, not making light of it, just does not seem to be a sanfl player having a problem with cte, not saying they do not, just not heard of it?
the club doctor was not running nazi death camps, the vilification against him is extreme. i am still not happy with aliir going back onto the field. a mistake was made.
i think the road toll on sa roads is a bigger issue. seeing people with brain injuries from accident trauma is very confronting.
Davies and Hinkley should be sacked over this. I'll take it any way I can.
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Ok so finally got a few minutes spare
As advised by a club worker that Thursday was standing room only at the club. Media everywhere. All waiting to see if Alliir would be at training.
Said person found an ABC bloke wandering through unauthorised areas, fronted him and was told he was " looking for his car"
Got told they asked him if he got enough negative points for the news that night - sounded really offended and protested that it was an unfair comment. They can dish it out but they can't take it when challenged!Onto the Doctor. Apparently he was doing the SCAT5 test on Jones and advising other medicos on treatment to an injury to another player. He is the qualified person at the club to undertake SCAT tests under AFL rules on game day.
Whilst doing that, Alliir was composed, articulate and focused on the bench, so the decision was made to reintroduce him to the game. He couldn't have had the SCAT test until Jones had been tested, meaning that Alliir would have been 29 minutes waiting for that, then another 29 for his own test.
It was thought by someone that he would most probably have cruised through the SCAT easily, and gone back anyway. And nothing would have been said about it.
Eventually Fisher came back to the bench, to see Alliir back playing.
He should have been shown the video of the incident by someone, and then should have concluded to remove him from the field and test him.
That didn't happen. A mistake which he owned up to as soon as he was questioned about it.
Think he was making himself the fall guy for someone else's mistake, to protect them.
But ultimately, the optics on this weren't good. They were horrible! So whilst someone else made a bad decision, he should have immediately redressed it when he came back and done the SCAT test on Alliir - post him returning to the field.
Chances are it would have cleared Alliir to play, but it needed to be done just the same.
Overall poor management to not have more than one person present to do the testing. Maybe AFL rules state that only the club doctor can do the testing. But it should allow for multiple accredited people to do so, so that you avoid "ramping" and can test more than one person at a time.
Regrettable incident. Hopefully both players recover ok, which is the important thing.
Lol that the AFL absolves itself of any responsibility
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Same here. Who was the club official standing next to AA when he went back on the ground? Had beer goggles on at the time. Was it Riz or Davies?
Oh don't.kmow! Don't think Rizza wears glasses. Think Davies said in an interview he was in the box.
Much appreciated. A far more accurate and factual reporting of the situation, unlike that of the crow's daily newsletter.Ok so finally got a few minutes spare
As advised by a club worker that Thursday was standing room only at the club. Media everywhere. All waiting to see if Alliir would be at training.
Said person found an ABC bloke wandering through unauthorised areas, fronted him and was told he was " looking for his car"
Onto the Doctor. Apparently he was doing the SCAT5 test on Jones and advising other medicos on treatment to an injury to another player. He is the qualified person at the club to undertake SCAT tests under AFL rules on game day.
Whilst doing that, Alliir was composed, articulate and focused on the bench, so the decision was made to reintroduce him to the game. He couldn't have had the SCAT test until Jones had been tested, meaning that Alliir would have been 29 minutes waiting for that, then another 29 for his own test.
It was thought by someone that he would most probably have cruised through the SCAT easily, and gone back anyway. And nothing would have been said about it.
Eventually Fisher came back to the bench, to see Alliir back playing.
He should have been shown the video of the incident by someone, and then should have concluded to remove him from the field and test him.
That didn't happen. A mistake which he owned up to as soon as he was questioned about it.
Think he was making himself the fall guy for someone else's mistake, to protect them.
But ultimately, the optics on this weren't good. They were horrible! So whilst someone else made a bad decision, he should have immediately redressed it when he came back and done the SCAT test on Alliir - post him returning to the field.
Chances are it would have cleared Alliir to play, but it needed to be done just the same.
Overall poor management to not have more than one person present to do the testing. Maybe AFL rules state that only the club doctor can do the testing. But it should allow for multiple accredited people to do so, so that you avoid "ramping" and can test more than one person at a time.
Regrettable incident. Hopefully both players recover ok, which is the important thing.
Lol that the AFL absolves itself of any responsibility
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Shane McAdam got poleaxed in the head, stayed down for 15 seconds, got up to take a shot from the resulting free kick, looked rattled, shanked it and jogged off holding his face.
McCartin will undoubtedly get weeks for the hit.
McCartin will undoubtedly get weeks for the hit.
Yea it's interesting will it get a please explain?
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Ok so finally got a few minutes spare
As advised by a club worker that Thursday was standing room only at the club. Media everywhere. All waiting to see if Alliir would be at training.
Said person found an ABC bloke wandering through unauthorised areas, fronted him and was told he was " looking for his car"
Onto the Doctor. Apparently he was doing the SCAT5 test on Jones and advising other medicos on treatment to an injury to another player. He is the qualified person at the club to undertake SCAT tests under AFL rules on game day.
Whilst doing that, Alliir was composed, articulate and focused on the bench, so the decision was made to reintroduce him to the game. He couldn't have had the SCAT test until Jones had been tested, meaning that Alliir would have been 29 minutes waiting for that, then another 29 for his own test.
It was thought by someone that he would most probably have cruised through the SCAT easily, and gone back anyway. And nothing would have been said about it.
Eventually Fisher came back to the bench, to see Alliir back playing.
He should have been shown the video of the incident by someone, and then should have concluded to remove him from the field and test him.
That didn't happen. A mistake which he owned up to as soon as he was questioned about it.
Think he was making himself the fall guy for someone else's mistake, to protect them.
But ultimately, the optics on this weren't good. They were horrible! So whilst someone else made a bad decision, he should have immediately redressed it when he came back and done the SCAT test on Alliir - post him returning to the field.
Chances are it would have cleared Alliir to play, but it needed to be done just the same.
Overall poor management to not have more than one person present to do the testing. Maybe AFL rules state that only the club doctor can do the testing. But it should allow for multiple accredited people to do so, so that you avoid "ramping" and can test more than one person at a time.
Regrettable incident. Hopefully both players recover ok, which is the important thing.
Lol that the AFL absolves itself of any responsibility
Key point/observation I think I can take from this valuable timeline - an incident has one participant as a minimum, a collision has two, and only very rarely more, but "friendly fire" is less rare than that, therefore there should be sufficient capacity to assess two potential concussions at once. Not drawing any conclusions on who should do what going forward... today there is capacity to do two at once but only if it's two opposing players going thump, that is, by the "opposing" docs. That arrangement of resources and responsibilities might need to be... reconsidered.
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