Roast So, when does Burgess start getting some scrutiny?

[Forzaport]

Surprised more hasn't been made of Footscray's fitness department.

Veritable injury crisis during the season, travel to Perth in first week of finals, then face Hawthorn, then fly up to Spotless for GWS, then withstand Sydney for 3 & 1/2 quarters before edging them out in the granny. That is incredible stamina.

All the while we suffer soft tissue injury after soft tissue injury and struggle to physically match any team that finished 7th and above. I get that we have only 1 Ollie Wines but fmd we're 4 years in.

 

[tribey]

Surprised more hasn't been made of Footscray's fitness department.

Veritable injury crisis during the season, travel to Perth in first week of finals, then face Hawthorn, then fly up to Spotless for GWS, then withstand Sydney for 3 & 1/2 quarters before edging them out in the granny. That is incredible stamina.

All the while we suffer soft tissue injury after soft tissue injury and struggle to physically match any team that finished 7th and above. I get that we have only 1 Ollie Wines but fmd we're 4 years in.

Haven't seen either one of these guys reading numbers off an iPad on The Recruit though, have we.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Again we see players who missed large chunks of the season play better football than those who have gone on injury free. I don't understand why clubs aren't rotating players in/out of the side more tbh.

 

[tribey]

Again we see players who missed large chunks of the season play better football than those who have gone on injury free. I don't understand why clubs aren't rotating players in/out of the side more tbh.

It's almost as if holding a fit Robbie Gray out of a game we lost by a kick with the season on the line and playing our $700,000 boom recruit with a bung ankle in a dead rubber makes no sense.

 

[Janus]

"When I did Rambo III, I didn’t like the way I looked anymore, so I decided to reshape myself. I went down to (76 kg). I put on weight slowly and got sinewy, hard-cut muscles. I wound up weighing about (90 kg). But it was all muscle – my body fat was down to 3.8 percent. Now my fat count is 6.8. I’m (178cm) and weigh (85 kg). I’m pleased with my body now."

To put that into perspective - Hartlett is 185cm and weighs 80kg.

All our guys need to put on 5kg of muscle during the off season. Burgess can do his US training camp to maintain the aerobic fitness, but after that, it's skills in the morning, gym in the afternoon, 5 days a week, with running on the weekends.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Surprised more hasn't been made of Footscray's fitness department.

Veritable injury crisis during the season, travel to Perth in first week of finals, then face Hawthorn, then fly up to Spotless for GWS, then withstand Sydney for 3 & 1/2 quarters before edging them out in the granny. That is incredible stamina.

All the while we suffer soft tissue injury after soft tissue injury and struggle to physically match any team that finished 7th and above. I get that we have only 1 Ollie Wines but fmd we're 4 years in.

They got a week off

 

[OneGreatClub]

Burgo misjudged the effect of the reduced rotations, he and Ken hinted as much a the season went on. Hopefully KT's review from top to bottom, in particular our fitness guru and coaching staff, will have the desired outcome. If we can get it right this year, we will not be hamstrung and can jump back up to where we belong, narrowing the gap with those clubs who somehow got it right which gave them a massive advantage this year. We rued our 2014, I am sure Crers, Swans and a few others rue their finals failures this year, as that cup was there for the taking. Massive opportunities gone missing. Hopefully we come out and surprise everyone next season, with some youthful talent and exuberance drafted in. Please get a wise head in the box KT, one who can handle Burgo and Ken.

 

[FPPF]

They got a week off

So did Sydney and Sydney ended the season in Sydney and played week 1 & 2 of finals in Sydney.

 

[Rankor]

"When I did Rambo III, I didn’t like the way I looked anymore, so I decided to reshape myself. I went down to (76 kg). I put on weight slowly and got sinewy, hard-cut muscles. I wound up weighing about (90 kg). But it was all muscle – my body fat was down to 3.8 percent. Now my fat count is 6.8. I’m (178cm) and weigh (85 kg). I’m pleased with my body now."

To put that into perspective - Hartlett is 185cm and weighs 80kg.

All our guys need to put on 5kg of muscle during the off season. Burgess can do his US training camp to maintain the aerobic fitness, but after that, it's skills in the morning, gym in the afternoon, 5 days a week, with running on the weekends.

This is fine as long as we leave some time for extra ball skill drills. I beg you. Please.

 

[PAFCsince1870]

"When I did Rambo III, I didn’t like the way I looked anymore, so I decided to reshape myself. I went down to (76 kg). I put on weight slowly and got sinewy, hard-cut muscles. I wound up weighing about (90 kg). But it was all muscle – my body fat was down to 3.8 percent. Now my fat count is 6.8. I’m (178cm) and weigh (85 kg). I’m pleased with my body now."

To put that into perspective - Hartlett is 185cm and weighs 80kg.

All our guys need to put on 5kg of muscle during the off season. Burgess can do his US training camp to maintain the aerobic fitness, but after that, it's skills in the morning, gym in the afternoon, 5 days a week, with running on the weekends.

Did Stallone also mention the incredible amount of steroids he was taking at the time?

 

[Janus]

Burgo misjudged the effect of the reduced rotations, he and Ken hinted as much a the season went on. Hopefully KT's review from top to bottom, in particular our fitness guru and coaching staff, will have the desired outcome. If we can get it right this year, we will not be hamstrung and can jump back up to where we belong, narrowing the gap with those clubs who somehow got it right which gave them a massive advantage this year. We rued our 2014, I am sure Crers, Swans and a few others rue their finals failures this year, as that cup was there for the taking. Massive opportunities gone missing. Hopefully we come out and surprise everyone next season, with some youthful talent and exuberance drafted in. Please get a wise head in the box KT, one who can handle Burgo and Ken.

Burgess and Hinkley believed the game would slow down and become more contested - which it did, just not at the rate of attrition that they expected. Look at the GF - that wasn't a fast game. The Dogs won the flag on the back of making it difficult for opposition sides to score and then punishing them on the break. But they started to slow down halfway through the season, and their injuries to players like Johannsen and Liberatore actually helped them because it enabled them to refresh and reset for finals.

The issue was that a group of sides that had been built for contested ball but now focused on a bit more aerobic running in Adelaide, Sydney, GWS, Footscray, West Coast, Geelong and North Melbourne all jumped out of the blocks early and created a situation where the finals series was decided in the first six rounds or so. The only exception was Hawthorn, who aren't really a contested team but are so good at retaining possession that it doesn't matter.

And even with all that - for as bad as we were playing - if we had a fit side with everyone available including Ryder and Monfries, we would have easily won against Carlton, West Coast, Adelaide, Fremantle and the Bulldogs. Actually no, **** that - we should have won those games anyway, but the point is that just like in 2005 when Sydney won the flag with their contested style, but then Geelong and Hawthorn dominated the competition, just because something is, doesn't mean it always will be.

Contested ball is like flour. You can make gruel with it (add the liquid of defense..another vital ingredient), you can make bread with it (add the kneading of being willing to run and spread to defense and contested ball) or you can make a cake with it (add the sugar of outside offensive run and carry to defense, run and spread and contested ball). But you can't make jack shit without it.

If the guys remaining on our list next year don't come out breathing ****ing fire and smash the living shit out of the first side they play (and I mean that literally, not on the scoreboard) and show that they've actually learned a vital lesson this year that soft **** performances aren't tolerated at Port...then it's time for scorched earth and stock up on draft picks, IMO.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I was talking to a former sanfl league player at half time of the game and he asked me who I thought would win. I said Sydney, bigger bodies and more finals experience. And he said Hmmm, yes but the Doggies have run away from their opponents in the late stages of every game in the finals. Bigger bodies means more to carry and takes it out of you as the game goes on.

I don't know that the Dogs are a particularly physically big side, and not much ahead of us if at all - and we certainly competed well against them at Adelaide Oval this year.

I wouldn't be throwing 5kg's on players willy nilly but just get the balance right. What the earlier post of the Dogs physical fitness staff shows is that other clubs are getting internationally experienced fitness people on board and have caught up to us there.

It will be interesting to see the path the Dogs go down next year. If they bring in Cloke and Crameri does it slow down their forward line? And if Redpath is available later in the year, what then? They could be the Leicester City of the AFL.

 

[GreyPower]

Whats the story with Leicester City?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Whats the story with Leicester City?

Fairytale champions last year, this year middle of the road strugglers.

 

[Janus]

I was talking to a former sanfl league player at half time of the game and he asked me who I thought would win. I said Sydney, bigger bodies and more finals experience. And he said Hmmm, yes but the Doggies have run away from their opponents in the late stages of every game in the finals. Bigger bodies means more to carry and takes it out of you as the game goes on.

I don't know that the Dogs are a particularly physically big side, and not much ahead of us if at all - and we certainly competed well against them at Adelaide Oval this year.

I wouldn't be throwing 5kg's on players willy nilly but just get the balance right. What the earlier post of the Dogs physical fitness staff shows is that other clubs are getting internationally experienced fitness people on board and have caught up to us there.

It will be interesting to see the path the Dogs go down next year. If they bring in Cloke and Crameri does it slow down their forward line? And if Redpath is available later in the year, what then? They could be the Leicester City of the AFL.

That's why it needs to be 5kg of muscle and not just 5kg heavier. But building muscle takes time.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

That's why it needs to be 5kg of muscle and not just 5kg heavier. But building muscle takes time.

5kg is a lot of weight though. It's nearly a stone in the old measure. On Frampton yeah sure go for it and more. But a six footer like Hartlett it's a fair whack especially with his injury history.

 

[OneGreatClub]

TED Talk: The future of concussion prevention in sport (as we know, helmets don't work):

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[Janus]

5kg is a lot of weight though. It's nearly a stone in the old measure. On Frampton yeah sure go for it and more. But a six footer like Hartlett it's a fair whack especially with his injury history.

Here's a thread started on a bodybuilding forum:

I have been going to the gym for 6 months and have gained 7kg (not from fat) and when i play football with my friends i now feel slower (im a speed demon). I feel like i have no more speed bursts anymore and can't run... I feel sloppy when i run also.

Why is this... Not to mention im in the best shape ive ever been

And here's one of the responses:

Ive seen two main thought processes on dealing with that problem. One is to incorporate speed work while gaining strength and size (application of plyometrics, speed work, dynamic lifts, etc). The other is to do a strength phase followed by a power phase (taking the strength you gained and make it faster).

Burgess knows what he's doing.

 

[Nemisis]

I was talking to a former sanfl league player at half time of the game and he asked me who I thought would win. I said Sydney, bigger bodies and more finals experience. And he said Hmmm, yes but the Doggies have run away from their opponents in the late stages of every game in the finals. Bigger bodies means more to carry and takes it out of you as the game goes on.

I don't know that the Dogs are a particularly physically big side, and not much ahead of us if at all - and we certainly competed well against them at Adelaide Oval this year.

I wouldn't be throwing 5kg's on players willy nilly but just get the balance right. What the earlier post of the Dogs physical fitness staff shows is that other clubs are getting internationally experienced fitness people on board and have caught up to us there.

It will be interesting to see the path the Dogs go down next year. If they bring in Cloke and Crameri does it slow down their forward line? And if Redpath is available later in the year, what then? They could be the Leicester City of the AFL.

Agree, as footy lovers we do go on about the 'big guys' but it is the quick and nimble players that win games... Bulldogs have so many 'mids'. Young Libba said after the game that he was always confident in beating the Sydney mids because the Bullies ran much deeper with midfielders.

 

[Janus]

Agree, as footy lovers we do go on about the 'big guys' but it is the quick and nimble players that win games... Bulldogs have so many 'mids'. Young Libba said after the game that he was always confident in beating the Sydney mids because the Bullies ran much deeper with midfielders.

And they could take out their elite mids with the game in the balance and not even give away a free kick. That helps too.

 

[Powerage]

5kg is a lot of weight though. It's nearly a stone in the old measure. On Frampton yeah sure go for it and more. But a six footer like Hartlett it's a fair whack especially with his injury history.

Also depends how that 5kg is deposited.

You would not want a player with HH's leg injury issues to put on 5kg's of pure upper body muscle esp in the arms and shoulders. If he put's some on around his legs and core it may help with leg and hip stress etc (based on a good but not great knowledge of this stuff).

Core strength receives a lot of emphasis these days because it helps greatly with balance and movement ability and stability.

However if a player is already proportionately strong in the legs, 5kg of upper body muscle might be exactly what is required to help them compete esp in marking situations, inside mid work, ruck etc.

Also muscle added to those parts of the body responsible for explosive acceleration e.g. legs and core should cause less 'heaviness' referred to in some other posts than upper body mass which will slow you down for a couple of reasons.

Happy to be corrected by those who know more...

 

[TheFVK]

Also depends how that 5kg is deposited.

You would not want a player with HH's leg injury issues to put on 5kg's of pure upper body muscle esp in the arms and shoulders. If he put's some on around his legs and core it may help with leg and hip stress etc (based on a good but not great knowledge of this stuff).

Core strength receives a lot of emphasis these days because it helps greatly with balance and movement ability and stability.

However if a player is already proportionately strong in the legs, 5kg of upper body muscle might be exactly what is required to help them compete esp in marking situations, inside mid work, ruck etc.

Also muscle added to those parts of the body responsible for explosive acceleration e.g. legs and core should cause less 'heaviness' referred to in some other posts than upper body mass which will slow you down for a couple of reasons.

Happy to be corrected by those who know more...

More important to add 5kg to the bis if these lads want to be running their A-Game at Fat Controller

 

[Power Raid]

i havent followed this thread at all, but i think Burgess is still just as good, but the game plan is taxing the players too much. Chase till you finally get the ball, then dont pause....run like a chook with its head cut off. Which hasnt worked...so its most of the time chasing the ball. Once again back to good coaching of working smarter not harder.

This also explains the poor skills, cos anyone who plays sport knows the significant drop in skills when your totally farked.

The hawks let the ball do the work.

If we learn to kick straight, we to could deploy this tactic rather than the headless chook.

 

[Willsy10]

Wouldn't putting on a heap of muscle weight now be an admission that we've completely stuffed up with our fitness and conditioning philosophies the last 3 years?

I still think running is our strength, with immense pressure and quick handball because generally our skills by foot hurt us. We need to find that extra zip in our pace and ball movement again, a lot of that was lost through injuries and loss of confidence that can be regained. GWS and Bullies both play that high pressure, fast running, quick handball game that I think will be where the game will keep heading. We kind of already play that way but haven't been very good at it.

 

[Moo87]

The Bulldogs running over the top of Sydney was aided immensely by injuries to Hannebery, Franklin, a couple of heavy knocks to Jack (didn't have the same impact after that), and McVeigh clearly playing injured from the start.