Bob Pratt was the youngest at 23 and 245 days, Lockett was just behind at 23 and 263 days.
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Bob Pratt was the youngest at 23 and 245 days, Lockett was just behind at 23 and 263 days.
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I think it all comes down to when you think Brown will actually return. If it's next week as he says then he would be favourite. If not I think Pav would be a decent chance to have kicked 8 across rounds 2, 3 & 4 which would probably see him do it at the same time as Brown.
His accuracy has not been something to write home about. 88 behinds in 2008! I think he'd be a genuine chance to kick 1000, but it depends on where he is played.
Lloyd would have gotten it if he had been played in position by Sheedy and Knights.
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Of the over 500s, only Matthews, Johnson and Daicos would be classified as small forwards. The rest are KPFs.
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McKenna kicked 874 goals in 191 games.
In five seasons from 69-73 inclusive, he kicked 97, 143, 134, 130 & 86.
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Depends how many games he plays against Essendon.
It's funny he is never rated as highly as Hudson, Coleman, Lockett and Dunstall. His numbers stack up quite well and he was a beautiful kick.
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Hudson was a freak.
In his last two full seasons of senior football in Tassie (78 & 79) he kicked around 390 goals.
In all senior football he kicked over 2000.
I remember him doing his knee in Round 1, 1972. It was in the goal square. He was in agony. Had 8 before half-time against (I think) Melbourne.
Hawthorn flew him in (by helicopter onto the ground no less) for one game at Waverley in 73. He was still basically on one leg (knees weren't quite as straightforward to fix on those days), his first shot at goal was from the boundary and he nailed it. Kicked 8 from memory.
Didn't play VFL football again until 1977 when Hawthorn talked him into coming back over to play. Kicked 110.
Best full-foward I have seen.
Cheers. That's good company to be in.
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In the days when a lot of full-forwards (and players in general) were kicking torpedo/flat punts (eg f-f's such as Wade, Hudson) McKenna was using the drop punt.
And he was a magnificent exponent of it.
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Would he though?
Will Buddy even play 300 games like he'd most likely need to to get the job done?
Worth noting that Ablett Snr topped 500 in his 140th game in 1991. It wasn't until '93 that he became a permanent stay-at-home forward; until then, he was playing wing/half forward and occasionally off half back with regular stints at full forward/forward pocket. Given that, pretty comparable.
He'd never have played full forward all his career given he was a born winger (at least until his late 20s), but if he had, 1200-1400 goals is not out of the question. There's a 3 part Ablett tribute video being put together at the moment, part of which I've seen, and some of the stuff he did in the late 80s early 90s (once he'd become more consistent) boggles the mind. There's a 75-80 metre torp for a goal at one point (in 1992 I think), ridiculous.
Anyway, getting off track. 500 seems a good measure of quality where forwards are concerned, especially if reached between 100-200 games.
He'd never have played full forward all his career given he was a born winger (at least until his late 20s), but if he had, 1200-1400 goals is not out of the question. There's a 3 part Ablett tribute video being put together at the moment, part of which I've seen, and some of the stuff he did in the late 80s early 90s (once he'd become more consistent) boggles the mind. There's a 75-80 metre torp for a goal at one point (in 1992 I think), ridiculous.
Anyway, getting off track. 500 seems a good measure of quality where forwards are concerned, especially if reached between 100-200 games.
Never saw him. I just think of how Lloyd was when he was young, the first half of his career, how he just piled up goals week after week and would dominate games.
As I said earlier he kicked his 500 in 142 games. You get some perspective when you read Hudson did it in 87!
KB was a key forward? Wow, he really could do it all.
Pav has played a lot of midfield time in the last few years though. If he had of played forward all that time things would be different regarding goal tallies. Agree though, Brown has missed an awful lot of footy.....
Buddy is clearly the best forward in recent history, and will possiblly be the best ever. You can sought of see him starting to play up the ground more though if the Hawks can find other avenues to goal. He could do some serious damage playing off a wing IMO, then drfiting forward here and there.
No doubt Kev would agree with the bolded bit. To add to that and not to belabour the point but Ablett was (and still is I expect) 185cm. Standard KPF height in the 50s maybe, but not when he played and certainly not now.
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I know a lot of stuff gets thrown around on BF, much of it throwaway, but while I'm here...
If by best you mean most talented, sure. For output, several recent players have him covered at the moment, Lloyd being a notable one. As for the second bit, no. At least, not unless he moves up a gear or two. He's a freakish, match-winning player reaching his prime, but I'm not sure the echoes of his career will reach as far beyond his own era as some of his contemporaries (Ablett and Judd to name two). On the other hand, he might just move up those gears and become the defining player of his generation and possibly beyond. I'll enjoy watching either way.
As for all time, wow. You're talking about some amazing players that he'll have to top in ways that go beyond ball-in-hand output. Leadership, flags, dominance on an unprecedented level, key moments in football history. He'll top Carey, Dunstall, Matthews? Coleman? Lockett?? Brett Spinks??? On pure natural talent, Ablett Snr has him (and everyone else for that matter) covered. Then there's guys like Bunton and Stewart, though the era comparison issue is ever present.
If he plays a major role in nailing a few more flags before he's done, 5-8 AAs and notches a few MVP style awards (though he did collect the 2007 Marn Grook award), that will go a loooong way to pushing him into the upper reaches.
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Mainly in terms of goals.
What you ignore is that Buddy does a heck of a lot more around the ground than many traditional FF. That is one reason why he is rated so highly.
If he manages to avg the 20 and 3, he will go down as one of the greatest ever. Certainly within his capabilities.
Hang on, so mainly in terms of goals but now also in terms of his around the ground work? Make your mind up man!
I'm not exactly ignoring it as such, I did list a few players who weren't traditional full forwards, but it did appear that it was mainly as a forward that you were discussing him.
20 and 3 would be very impressive, pipping just about everyone. At the moment he's averaging 14.7 and 3.2 according to AFL tables. Carey averaged 16.5 and 2.7, which is a pretty handy goal average when you consider he played a good few games at half back. Ablett Snr was 15.2 and 4.2, Matthew Richardson 14.0 and 2.8 and Leigh Matthews rather stands out at 21.8 and 2.8. Lloyd sits at 13.0 and 3.4 which is a higher disposal average than I expected. Mark Jackson averaged 3.8 goals a game!
Finally, ol' Sticks Kernahan averaged 14.3 and 2.9.Anyway, for Franklin to differentiate himself to the required degree, then 20 and 3 would probably do it, even allowing for the greater rate of possession in modern football. If anything, football then to now makes Matthews' career stats even more alarming.
If Franklin could somehow achieve the scoring output of all those players combined, I reckon he'd pass as the best. That's 5278 goals, though I might have miscalculated. At his current average, he'll need to play 1650 games (roughly 66 years from debut, assuming they reach the GF every year without a finals loss. He's already behind the 8-ball) to reach that tally. I have a mate that reckons he can do it.
