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Thoughts on The West Coast Game

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First Half Comments:

This CRAP football ......and if we play this way in the finals we'll go out in straight games

Craig said halfway thru the season we needed to take the game on instead of playing safe ......and we did beautifully for a while

Well SAFE SAFE footy is back
Our players CANNOT play one on one footy .......we are fine when we have space to think .......but teams like St Kilda, Collingwood, and Geelong who WON"T give you that space and UNDER PRESSURE OUR PLAYERS PANIC

We will win this game .....against no real opposition

But Finals time this gamestyle is CRAP !!!!!!

No wonder we are ranked 15th for forwrd efficiency ......we give the opposition so much time to clog our forwrd lines up

Second half comments:

I absolutely stand by my comments on the first half in the gameday thread

When West Coasts pressure was on we crabbed, went backwards continously to get space, spread, and then "ever so quietly" go forward

In the second half West coasts pressure dropped, we had a good lead and suddenly we play more agressive, run the lines, direct footy.

Here's the crux of my issue:
1. In finals & when one on one pressure is applied we go into "safe mode" and play safe footy by going backwards, sideways ......but rarely forwrd.

This will not win finals matches

2. St Kilda beat us by playing a back court press ......and our defenders not being use to not having time and space paniced under pressure.

3. In fact because we play this "toss the ball around, switch play footy " our players are most comfortable with time & space ........but panic when teams play one on one .......which is how the finals will be played.

4. In tight today when we tried to run and carry across the lines in the second half we made some horrible fumbles and poor skill errors ........we got away with it and recovered against a side of West Coasts calibre .......but not so against the top 4 sides who will make us pay.

A good win today ......yeah absolutely .........but wins against very ordinary sides mask some real sins

Maric: His ,marking has improved stunningly in the last 8-10 matches and makes him so much more valuable.

He seems to reading the flight so much better and is jumping into the contest with the ball in front of his eyes .......previously he was going up one handed or under the flight, hopelessly reading the flight

Sellar: Poor game today and IMO nows the time, if Griffin can step up, to send Sellar back to the SANFL.

He fumbled a lot and his hands in close and marking contests were "hard" with ball often hitting his hands and bouncing off.

The missing of that simple chest mark symptomatic that his concentrations is still not what it should be.

Porplyzia: class act ......still would like to see him in the midfield rotations as he doesn't fumble, has great vision, and is instinctive in see the right options.

Douglas: Much better 4 qtr performance ........just would like him to hurt the opposition with his disposals more than he does.

But tackling was great ......and he seemed to cover the ground quicker today.

Knights: Noticed his knee taping was off and he seemed to cover the ground better and jumping for marks.

Is better in the marking contest than I had realised

Goodwin/Macleod: they really are in vintage form

The main thing I notice is that they nearly always go long & direct
with penetrating kicks and run across the lines ........in other words even at 32 YO they still hurt the oppositions ........We don't seem to have ready made replacements ........Dangerfield and Mackay the exceptions

Mackay: looked proppy in the first half ......seemed to not want to stretch out to protect the leg.

Good to get that game under his belt and will be confident for getting thru

Hentschell: Gee he's a smart footballer and with another game to go b4 the finals seems to be getting more confident with each week.

That chest mark where he just plainly outsmarted his opponent was superb .......he's reading the ball off the boot very well ATM
Does look a yard slower though

Vince: He's the man with question marks ......give him time & space he'll cut you apart ........but put a tag on or play him one on one .......the jury is our as to whether he can work hard enough or has the skills to win contested ball.

Symes: Steady performance .........but I'd suggest most oppositions would be comfortable with the ball in his hands
 
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In defense of our play in the first half, they had an uber flood on. They coudn't sustain it game long.
 
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David Mackay. Seriously. How classy is this kid? Got the impression they nursed him through today which I am happy with because we don't want another hammy twinge before finals, but you really notice the way he glides through, collects the ball cleanly and carves sides up with his disposal. Thinking back to the Boak vs Mackay discussion, imo he'll give Trav a serious run over the journey.
 

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Re: Thoughts on The Wet Coast Game

Thoughts are that we are somewhere between 5-10th

Said 4-6 all year, and it's still accurate. We'll push very, very hard for top 4 next year; after that, we'll lose 2-3 of the Big 4, which might push us back to 4-6 again, depending on how the next batch come on.
 
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Got home and was shocked to see the possession totals of our players, I knew we possessed the ball a fair bit, especially coming out of defence, but our players put up huge numbers. Goodwin, Doughty 37, Vince 34, Edwards 33, van Berlo 31, Otten 30, Symes/Johncock/Knights 25 or more.

Thought the defence did a terrific job. Rutten was absolutely smashed in the first quarter by Kennedy, smashed. Stevens then went to him and did a much better job. First quarter was terrible football, WC played pretty defensive, had huge numbers behind the ball and we struggled to break the lines. Was extremely disappointed towards the end of the 1st quarter near the boundary line. Goodwin had the perfect oppertunity to apply pressure and maybe even put a player down, Swift it might have been, instead he backed up allowing him to get the kick away. Got to have the opponent feel the pressure, just like Thompson did to Selwood in the third quarter.

Thought Goodwin, other than that mistake, was outstanding. Johncock was once again very good and surely deserves All-Australian honours, even though no one's paid much attention to his solid season. Otten racked up 30 possessions without a whole lot of fuss and even went forward late in the last quarter and should've nailed a goal.

Loved van Berlo's game. :thumbsu: Made a couple of mistakes in the last quarter but othwerwise was rock solid. He just gets the job done every single week and does not lose 1-on-1 contests, what a gem.

Welcome back to Mackay! He didn't do a massive amount but my word it's great to have him back, he is just ridiculously classy. Of his 5 kicks I think all were sublime little chip kicks which all hit a target, he's amazing. 19 possessions in 70% game time is a great return, and to think some (or maybe just one) thought he should've come back via the SANFL...

Hentschel great first half, took some really strong marks and competed hard, liked his attack on the contest that brought to the ball to Tippett who had a shot on goal, missed though. Not sure what happened after half time, struggled to get a touch.

Maric continues to develop nicely and is now taking really strong contested marks each week. How about that mark in the second term? :eek: Loved his work around the ground.

Knights, gun. His work-rate needs to be seen to be believed. He is a power of work. 25 possessions, 5 marks and 2 goals, should've been at least 4 but missed a few relatively easy ones. Going back to his work-rate though, he works incredibly hard to make himself an option across half forward and up towards the wings. Had numerous inside 50's and did some sharp work in close.

Thompson terrific, McLeod great, it was pretty much a case of all played well. Porplyzia had a few moments of magic and was a strong performer across all 4 quarters. Even Douglas managed to have a good game. Felt everyone contributed, even Shirley who was beating Priddis. Unfortunately for him his milestone day was cut short.
 
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Love it when all play well.

Big Ivan's work around the ground was great! I loved his huge grab up forward. He hasn't taken one of those this season, but it's good to know he's still got it.

Hentschel was handy again. Doesn't look to be at all bothered by his knee, which is a great sign. One of his shots on goal was absolutely genius - where he managed to spin around in a tackle and get his kick away. It didn't go through, but it was yet another sign that we're seeing the Rowdy of old. He's a real asset. Got great footy smarts and still seems to be able to turn on a 5 cent piece. So happy for him. If we can get Burton back into the side, our forwardline is looking bloody dangerous for the finals!

You know what I noticed about Douglas' game over these last two weeks? His tackles are sticking.
He dished off a couple of massive tackles this week, where in previous seasons his opponent would have broken right through him.
It's encouraging to see improvement.
I thought he played well this week - good to see him finish with a couple of goals, and set a couple up. His kick to Hentschel was great.

Anyone know Shirley's situation? He looked to be moving okay up and down the boundary before they put him on ice. Any chance he'll get up for next week? He'd come in very VERY handy against Carlton given his recent history against Judd!
 

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Re: Thoughts on The Wet Coast Game

Knights, gun. His work-rate needs to be seen to be believed. He is a power of work. 25 possessions, 5 marks and 2 goals, should've been at least 4 but missed a few relatively easy ones. Going back to his work-rate though, he works incredibly hard to make himself an option across half forward and up towards the wings. Had numerous inside 50's and did some sharp work in close.

Spot on here Drummond. He started most centre bounces on the wing and then pushed forward. During general play if often pushed down the ground and helped with link play. With him playing forward he really presents a challenge to a lot of defenders who may not have that base fitness to run with him. They used a couple of opponents on him, midfield-come-defender Sam Butler and Shannon Hurn were used mostly. Worsfold identifies with what you said but Knights was still able to have an impact. Good signs. :thumbsu: Well spotted.
 
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The whole team contributed immensely
Thought our tackling was great an we were so close to breaking a record for the most possessions!

I thought it was good how we experimented with Douglas in the goal sqaure, 2 goals and he was certainly capable of kicking more, but porps did hog a few when Douglas was free
 
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I really liked Symes game today, his kicks were more penetrating and he attacked the ball at 110% like always (a lot of tackles too:thumbsu:). His disposal was a lot more damaging today, and was he on Embley, can't remember? Whoever was on Embley though did a magnificent job.
 
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Didn't want to start a new thread, but just wanted to say congrats on the win.

Think the OP is a bit harsh on the Crows, I thought they were very, very good. The run and spread they got coming out of the backline was fantastic.:thumbsu: Worked hard all day and deserved a big win.

Hope you do well in finals this year.:)
 
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I thought we improved each quarter, the first quarter was horrible but it got better from there. West Coast were crap after half time and we ran all over them.

It's great to have Mackay back in he adds that touch of class in our midfield, While Johncock remains consistent as ever in defence.

Maric was great around the ground loved his grab in the 2nd?. While Porps was our best foward hopefully this is a return to form.
 

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Re: Thoughts on The Wet Coast Game

I hate Tony Shaw.


He has no clue what so ever.

Shaw said stevens is having problems adjusting to playing as a defender as he rarely plays there.:eek:

Doughty was damn good today. IMO our tackling is still very ordinary, not in the same league as the top 4 sides. When West Coast applied genuine aggression in the first quarter, we went to water. Expect more of this and from much better teams in finals.

Still think no Bock, no second week of finals.
 
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Shaw spnt the whole game winging about handballs and then our best bits of play were field length handball linking.

He just has no idea.
 
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Pretty poor first quarter but very good after that despite a mega flood. Some poor kicking for goal was probably the worst of it.

Porps Doughty Vince Johncock and Van Berlo all very good. Knights very nice game and Douglas was not tooo bad either.

MacKay is a little ripper and I thought our ruckman did really well.

Gather and hanball by Sellar in the third quarter to Porps was brilliant. Not sure how Props missed the goal though.:D
 
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I find it extremely hard to pick the top 5 players today. Hell, even the top 10.

Thommo, Stiffy, Goodwin - smashed it. Absolutely smashed it.
Stiffy dropped out of it in Q4 when the ball didn't leave our forward line, Thommo on ice. Goody - 37, and how many marks from WC kicks!

Bernie, VanB, Knighta, Porpoise, Dogga, Maric, Symes, Blotto spanked it. (in a good way).

Just a fantastic team effort. I quite enjoyed watching Glass get switched from Tippet to Hentschel to Porpoise to Maric to Tippet to Porpoise. You just can't keep our forward line down.

I hate Tony Shaw.


He has no clue what so ever.

OH GOD YES.

"duuuuur, I don't see why west coast just don't go direct down the line!"

"They just need to go long! duuuuuur"

West coast goes long, Rutten punches it over the line.

"Terrible long kick there"

"I am gay for Kennedy!"

repeat for 3 hours.




Dear BF, let us pray that Shaw and Walls are never teamed up. Add a bit of Quartermain, and I think we could be in a lot of trouble.
 
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Shaw said stevens is having problems adjusting to playing as a defender as he rarely plays there.:eek:

Doughty was damn good today. IMO our tackling is still very ordinary, not in the same league as the top 4 sides. When West Coast applied genuine aggression in the first quarter, we went to water. Expect more of this and from much better teams in finals.

Still think no Bock, no second week of finals.

It has been very ordinary, but i thought it was a lot better today (than it has been) It has been improving steadily over the season (with some down games thrown in)

It may not be in the same league as the top 4 teams, and thats probably why we aren't in the top 4. Hopefully its worked on over summer, as next year we are a genuine top 4 chance (especially if we get this right)
 
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Spot on here Drummond. He started most centre bounces on the wing and then pushed forward. During general play if often pushed down the ground and helped with link play. With him playing forward he really presents a challenge to a lot of defenders who may not have that base fitness to run with him. They used a couple of opponents on him, midfield-come-defender Sam Butler and Shannon Hurn were used mostly. Worsfold identifies with what you said but Knights was still able to have an impact. Good signs. :thumbsu: Well spotted.

Knights will be elite next year. As long as he stays on the development curve he is on. His ability to play off a man when his opponent plays him closely is what makes players elite, ie break a tag.
 

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