Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 2

[CarmenSandiego]

You do realise that we have only actually lost 1 of our last 11 games.

Dogs pinched one when GOATcos was tired and his support was kids like Mcrae, Sullivan, Bytel and W.Parker.

Good luck beating the mighty magpies once Pendles, DeGoey and Mitchell are back in the middle to support GOATcos.

Dogs ran all over you and North had you against the ropes before 'best coach of all time' Clarko took off Phillips.

Pendles is slowing and will be returning from injury, DeGoey is overweight and hasn't been in form all year & Mitchell is a dead set C-grader.

Thank **** to whatever coach who has a brain cell that decided to bring tagging back.

How good is Nick at 21yo to have the ability to carry us. What a player

Yep, no arguments from me. Truly generational. Accumulates and torches opposition with his disposal - can do it on every line too. I maintain that he's taggable though, he's not tall or heavy and doesn't love body contact (no, he's not soft, it's just not his forte).

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Yep. A bit of pre-game/in between banter is fun but I'll very rarely, if ever kick a supporter when they're down - regardless of how much they have given it to me, I guess I was just bought up to be the bigger and better person. I did slip up once by sending my brother an aggressive & taunting message after our 2013 EF win against the Tiges when he was devastated, his reply was something along the lines of "meh, in 3-4 years time we will be contending in September and you'll be rebuilding again". I learned my lesson.

Ole Fudge can get absolutely ****ed though. A decade of bullying Carlton fans behind a computer screen under an anonymous account, deserves every bit of shit that he cops and will continue to cop after we have some success.

Another Carlton fan with FDS (Fadge Derangement Syndrome).
Honestly what does Fadge do to you guys?
He truly is the master!

 

[manicpie]

Dogs ran all over you and North had you against the ropes before 'best coach of all time' Clarko took off Phillips.

Pendles is slowing and will be returning from injury, DeGoey is overweight and hasn't been in form all year & Mitchell is a dead set C-grader.

Thank **** to whatever coach who has a brain cell that decided to bring tagging back.



Yep, no arguments from me. Truly generational. Accumulates and torches opposition with his disposal - can do it on every line too. I maintain that he's taggable though, he's not tall or heavy and doesn't love body contact (no, he's not soft, it's just not his forte).

A permanent hard tag in today's game is fraught with danger. Not only do you have to re structure but you also have to re jig your game plan. Nick always gets off the leash regardless and he's the highest contested player in the game today. Adelaide tried it and couldn't sustain it as did norf. Phillips was absolutely gassed by half time and even clarko said so. You would have also noticed that the umpires are cracking down on taggers the last couple of weeks. It happened to Neale as well because a lot of what taggers do is against the spirit of the game and law's of the game. Our coach has said on numerous occasions that they welcome the hard tag because it makes the opposition change their game. We just add another number around the stoppages and go about our merry way

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Another Carlton fan with FDS (Fadge Derangement Syndrome).
Honestly what does Fadge do to you guys?
He truly is the master!

You can read the rest of my posts and figure it out. But also looking up to a sad internet troll is weird, find better idols.

A permanent hard tag in today's game is fraught with danger. Not only do you have to re structure but you also have to re jig your game plan. Nick always gets off the leash regardless and he's the highest contested player in the game today. Adelaide tried it and couldn't sustain it as did norf. Phillips was absolutely gassed by half time and even clarko said so. You would have also noticed that the umpires are cracking down on taggers the last couple of weeks. It happened to Neale as well because a lot of what taggers do is against the spirit of the game and law's of the game. Our coach has said on numerous occasions that they welcome the hard tag because it makes the opposition change their game. We just add another number around the stoppages and go about our merry way

The fatigue argument from Clarko was rubbish - North lost momentum for a minute and he panicked and overcomplicated everything, which is ridiculous because huge momentum swings happen multiple times a game now; it's now completely normal to come back from 6+ goals down in this era. Of course Collingwood were going to start to rally against the 18th placed side.

Who is the Adelaide tagger than Nick got off the chain against?

Don't buy the tagging "upsetting team defence" argument, it's literally just sacrificing a footsoldier to take out the oppositions best player, the tagger also gets taken to the ball so can get a piece of it they usually wouldn't. It's not that deep and coaches are starting to see the light.

As for the umpires, well we all know they will protect the Pies & Nick, so you've got me there. I look forward to Daicos getting more frees in one game than Curnow has the entire year again, #FREEKICKCURNOW tho.

 

[Fadge]

Seems like you don't want to think about the impending issue of Daicos carrying your entire team and opposition coaches finally catching on.

I suppose Tom Mitchell can pick up the slack.

Yep.

Mitchell. Who came 4th in our best and fairest last year and was one of the best on ground in the Grand Final.

And Pendlebury.

And De Goey.

But I'm still confused.

I thought Daicos was nothing more than a soft squib who can't handle a tag and was lucky he was drafted into a strong team.

But now you're suggesting he's been 'carrying the whole team'?

More knot tying...

 

[manicpie]

You can read the rest of my posts and figure it out. But also looking up to a sad internet troll is weird, find better idols.



The fatigue argument from Clarko was rubbish - North lost momentum for a minute and he panicked and overcomplicated everything, which is ridiculous because huge momentum swings happen multiple times a game now; it's now completely normal to come back from 6+ goals down in this era. Of course Collingwood were going to start to rally against the 18th placed side.

Who is the Adelaide tagger than Nick got off the chain against?

Don't buy the tagging "upsetting team defence" argument, it's literally just sacrificing a footsoldier to take out the oppositions best player, the tagger also gets taken to the ball so can get a piece of it they usually wouldn't. It's not that deep and coaches are starting to see the light.

As for the umpires, well we all know they will protect the Pies & Nick, so you've got me there. I look forward to Daicos getting more frees in one game than Curnow has the entire year again, #FREEKICKCURNOW tho.

Nick is just as effective when he's being tagged because he knows how to create space for the others. I would almost guarantee that before the season ends, that the tag will go back out of fashion. It has an enormous effect on the side doing the tagging. The 666 rule makes it ineffective at centre bounces anyway. You are also underselling crisp who has thrived when Nick is tagged. You might not value Pendles and JDG but both are still some of the most effective midfielders in the game. They can tag Nick as much as they want but it hasn't made a difference and will only get stronger when we get some experience in the midfield back. As for Mitchell, he was runner up in the norm Smith. We are just getting started

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Yep.

Mitchell. Who came 4th in our best and fairest last year and was one of the best on ground in the Grand Final.

And Pendlebury.

And De Goey.

But I'm still confused.

I thought Daicos was nothing more than a soft squib who can't handle a tag and was lucky he was drafted into a strong team.

But now you're suggesting he's been 'carrying the whole team'?

More knot tying...

Find me a post where I said anything remotely like that regarding Daicos, nuff nuff.

Mitchell is a plodder who is borderline best 22 this year - his stats are similar to Matt Kennedy who barely plays midfield now, De Goey is overweight & hasn't been in form all year. Pendles is a champion but his form has been very patchy this year which is unlike him.

Nick is just as effective when he's being tagged because he knows how to create space for the others. I would almost guarantee that before the season ends, that the tag will go back out of fashion. It has an enormous effect on the side doing the tagging. The 666 rule makes it ineffective at centre bounces anyway. You are also underselling crisp who has thrived when Nick is tagged. You might not value Pendles and JDG but both are still some of the most effective midfielders in the game. They can tag Nick as much as they want but it hasn't made a difference and will only get stronger when we get some experience in the midfield back. As for Mitchell, he was runner up in the norm Smith. We are just getting started

Enormous effect doing the tagging? Hmm I believe Sydney are the ones who bought tagging back with James Jordon and look how they're tracking...

Tagging Nick has made a difference. You got belted by Dogs & the 18th placed side had you against the ropes (both these sides deployed a hard tag). Crisp is a reliable 2nd string midfielder, much like Hewett for us, but nobody is fearing Jack Crisp getting off the chain as a result of Daicos getting tagged. JDG at his best, maybe, but like I said; he's overweight and unfit.

Almost every team has good midfielders, you're one of them but without Daicos its hardly a standout, probably mid-table like I said.

 

[Fadge]

Nick is just as effective when he's being tagged because he knows how to create space for the others. I would almost guarantee that before the season ends, that the tag will go back out of fashion. It has an enormous effect on the side doing the tagging. The 666 rule makes it ineffective at centre bounces anyway. You are also underselling crisp who has thrived when Nick is tagged. You might not value Pendles and JDG but both are still some of the most effective midfielders in the game. They can tag Nick as much as they want but it hasn't made a difference and will only get stronger when we get some experience in the midfield back. As for Mitchell, he was runner up in the norm Smith. We are just getting started

How's the ignorance by these posters in trying to denigrate proven finals performers in Mitchell and Crisp, whilst they're sitting there crossing everything they have hoping the likes of Curnow and Cripps can fire a shot in September (should they make it), unlike last year...

 

[Fadge]

Almost every team has good midfielders, you're one of them but without Daicos its hardly a standout, probably mid-table like I said.

Are you really now saying that Collingwood's midfield, if they remove their best player (who is also arguably the best player in the competition), would revert to mid-table?

You're quite brilliant!

 

[manicpie]

Find me a post where I said anything remotely like that regarding Daicos, nuff nuff.

Mitchell is a plodder who is borderline best 22 this year - his stats are similar to Matt Kennedy who barely plays midfield now, De Goey is overweight & hasn't been in form all year. Pendles is a champion but his form has been very patchy this year which is unlike him.



Enormous effect doing the tagging? Hmm I believe Sydney are the ones who bought tagging back with James Jordon and look how they're tracking...

Tagging Nick has made a difference. You got belted by Dogs & the 18th placed side had you against the ropes (both these sides deployed a hard tag). Crisp is a reliable 2nd string midfielder, much like Hewett for us, but nobody is fearing Jack Crisp getting off the chain as a result of Daicos getting tagged. JDG at his best, maybe, but like I said; he's overweight and unfit.

Almost every team has good midfielders, you're one of them but without Daicos its hardly a standout, probably mid-table like I said.

I think you need to watch more Collingwood games because you are really way off. Crisp is a gun who breaks the lines way better than any of your one paced midfield. Comparing Sydney who has heeney, gullen, Adams and Warner in it is irrelevant. Jordan doesn't play midfield and isn't a midfield tagger. Comparing Hewett, who is slow and not a midfielder to crisp is laughable. There's no side going around that's going to pick Hewett over Crisp. JDG is far from overweight and has been carrying groin soreness all year but is still doing just as much damage, especially when moved forward for short periods. I think I'll let the rest of the season play out and let that do the talking because we're never going to agree on this one

 

[manicpie]

How's the ignorance by these posters in trying to denigrate proven finals performers in Mitchell and Crisp, whilst they're sitting there crossing everything they have hoping the likes of Curnow and Cripps can fire a shot in September (should they make it), unlike last year...

Yep, back to school yard banter today. It's actually quite laughable

 

[CarmenSandiego]

I think you need to watch more Collingwood games because you are really way off. Crisp is a gun who breaks the lines way better than any of your one paced midfield. Comparing Sydney who has heeney, gullen, Adams and Warner in it is irrelevant. Jordan doesn't play midfield and isn't a midfield tagger. Comparing Hewett, who is slow and not a midfielder to crisp is laughable. There's no side going around that's going to pick Hewett over Crisp. JDG is far from overweight and has been carrying groin soreness all year but is still doing just as much damage, especially when moved forward for short periods. I think I'll let the rest of the season play out and let that do the talking because we're never going to agree on this one

Hewett not a midfielder? It's the only position he can play. He averages more touches, clearances & effective disposals than both Crisp & the great Mitchell. If he's a slow non-midfielder then unsure what your blokes are.

De Goey is overweight, carrying niggles & is out of form. His performance this year is akin to a plodder. He's kicked 4 goals in 8 games and averages less score involvements than Tim English - hardly good numbers for a damaging fwd.

Crisp is a good player & is superior to Hewett with ball in hand but opposition coaches aren't going to not tag Daicos in fear of letting Crisp get off the chain - he's not that good, it's not a Dusty/Cotchin or Heeney/Warner situation.

Are you really now saying that Collingwood's midfield, if they remove their best player (who is also arguably the best player in the competition), would revert to mid-table?

You're quite brilliant!

Probably lower tbf, was being kind for the sake of civilized discussion.

 

[manicpie]

Hewett not a midfielder? It's the only position he can play. He averages more touches, clearances & effective disposals than both Crisp & the great Mitchell. If he's a slow non-midfielder then unsure what your blokes are.

De Goey is overweight, carrying niggles & is out of form. His performance this year is akin to a plodder. He's kicked 4 goals in 8 games and averages less score involvements than Tim English - hardly good numbers for a damaging fwd.

Crisp is a good player & is superior to Hewett with ball in hand but opposition coaches aren't going to not tag Daicos in fear of letting Crisp get off the chain.



Probably lower tbf, was being kind for the sake of civilized discussion.

I still think we need to let the season play out before any assumptions can be made

 

[manicpie]

Good point. In that case, I think the Pies will win the flag. I also think Carlton will lose this week. I reckon you are going to find out how much a true spiritual leader means to a club. Dangerfield and Pendles are worth their weight in gold

 

[Fadge]

Good point. In that case, I think the Pies will win the flag. I also think Carlton will lose this week. I reckon you are going to find out how much a true spiritual leader means to a club. Dangerfield and Pendles are worth their weight in gold

Yep, 2024.

With the Cavalry about to return, I can't see how Collingwood will lose another game. I expect the round 22 game against Sydney in Sydney to be a dead rubber for them, so that will allow us to lock in second spot on the ladder, leaving our last two games as dead rubbers.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Good point. In that case, I think the Pies will win the flag. I also think Carlton will lose this week. I reckon you are going to find out how much a true spiritual leader means to a club. Dangerfield and Pendles are worth their weight in gold

Danger is cringe. I always said the minute Selwood retires Geelong would drop a level or two. Nothing has really changed my mind there.. finished 12th last year, had a hot start this year but have looked very mid the past 6 weeks.

The retirement of Pendles will likely have the same effect on Collingwood imo.

 

[manicpie]

Danger is cringe. I always said the minute Selwood retires Geelong would drop a level or two. Nothing has really changed my mind there.. finished 12th last year, had a hot start this year but have looked very mid the past 6 weeks.

The retirement of Pendles will likely have the same effect on Collingwood imo.

I think we'll find out this week but yes, he is cringe

 

[Robertio]

Are you really now saying that Collingwood's midfield, if they remove their best player (who is also arguably the best player in the competition), would revert to mid-table?

You're quite brilliant!

Lower than mid table.

 

[Worm4]

Yep, 2024.

With the Cavalry about to return, I can't see how Collingwood will lose another game. I expect the round 22 game against Sydney in Sydney to be a dead rubber for them, so that will allow us to lock in second spot on the ladder, leaving our last two games as dead rubbers.

Don't think you will lose until next weekend if I'm being totally honest

 

[JustaBattler]

Oh, so Carlton have beaten Collingwood in Grand Finals in 2024?

I must have missed them....

If you're going to have a crack, be sure to be consistent.

I was responding in kind to PieBeast's post if you bothered(or can) comprehend and read - go back to check - you will find I drew on his phrasing to reference this year - and following.

So stop lying Fudgey.

 

[doppleganger]

Dogs ran all over you and North had you against the ropes before 'best coach of all time' Clarko took off Phillips.

1 loss in 11 games

Daicos lifted and was huge in Q3 when copping the hard tag against North.

Most clubs we be over the moon to have a 21ye old mid carry the team to such a record.

Pendles is slowing and will be returning from injury, DeGoey is overweight and hasn't been in form all year & Mitchell is a dead set C-grader.

LoL

Pendles still a star
DeGoey will hit form when it matters, finals
Mitchell another who thrives on finals footy

Three quality additions to the engine room

Yep, no arguments from me. Truly generational. Accumulates and torches opposition with his disposal - can do it on every line too. I maintain that he's taggable though, he's not tall or heavy and doesn't love body contact (no, he's not soft, it's just not his forte).

Sure he is just 21, still a few years off his physical peak.

Imagine how good he will be in a few years when he adds more strenght.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

1 loss in 11 games

Daicos lifted and was huge in Q3 when copping the hard tag against North.

Most clubs we be over the moon to have a 21ye old mid carry the team to such a record.

He got into the game in the 3rd but it was still insane to drop the tag and back Norths midfield against yours. He wouldn't have been as dominant in the last if Phillips stayed on him, definitely not dominant enough to spur a 54 point turnaround. Of course, any club would love him.

Pendles still a star
DeGoey will hit form when it matters, finals
Mitchell another who thrives on finals footy

Three quality additions to the engine room

We'll see re: finals. Pendles is a given, De Goey is iffy considering his fitness and Mitchell looks past it to me.

Sure he is just 21, still a few years off his physical peak.

Imagine how good he will be in a few years when he adds more strenght.

does he need to get stronger? I'd sacrifice growing his strength if it meant keeping his agility and evasiveness.

 

[RPCB]

Love Collingwood supporters going on about the 6+ injured players that they have coming into the 23, all at the same time. Who is coming out geniuses? You can’t fit them all in.

 

[Robertio]

He got into the game in the 3rd but it was still insane to drop the tag and back Norths midfield against yours. He wouldn't have been as dominant in the last if Phillips stayed on him, definitely not dominant enough to spur a 54 point turnaround. Of course, any club would love him.



We'll see re: finals. Pendles is a given, De Goey is iffy considering his fitness and Mitchell looks past it to me.



does he need to get stronger? I'd sacrifice growing his strength if it meant keeping his agility and evasiveness.

If Clarko leaves the tag North would have won, Clarko couldn't make a blunder again like the one that cost him Harley Reid.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

If Clarko leaves the tag North would have won, Clarko couldn't make a blunder again like the one that cost him Harley Reid.

I think he's just finished as a coach tbh.