Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

[Worm4]

Correction, according to the knowledgeable Baggers, you're a participant even if you play on Grand Final Day, but don't salute.

Or at least that was the case until recently, where you're now a contender if you're in the best handful of teams at any stage of the season.

Oh my.

You're full of shit mate.
Play in a prelim = not a contender apparently
So that means there can only be 2 contenders in any given season according to you.
Seriously, get off the weed

 

[Worm4]

Yet again, not what I said.

I don't care what you said.
How about what I said ? Oh that's right, your opinion is more creditable according to you. Clown

 

[carlton_99]

Mainly because defenders can't stop him within the rules, anyone with just a little bit of knowledge knows this.

Nah mate because he gets more frees than Brodie Mihocek it must be some sort conspiracy. Couldn't be due to anything else like playing style, their relative strengths and weaknesses or the respect defenders have for the player.

 

[Fadge]

You're full of s**t mate.
Play in a prelim = not a contender apparently
So that means there can only be 2 contenders in any given season according to you.
Seriously, get off the weed

Did you actually read my post from earlier?

Collingwood have played in plenty of Preliminary Finals where we haven't been genuine contenders. We were miles off Geelong and St. Kilda in 2009, for example.

 

[Fadge]

I don't care what said.

Well I care that you misrepresent what I said.

 

[JustaBattler]

Did your subconcious feed you that?

It wasnt what I said.

What I said was "Charlie has kicked the most goals from frees", this is a fact provided by Walshy.

Makes sense that the key forward with the most frees is also the player with the most goals from frees.

They aren't lucky hacks, and as I said earlier in the thread Harry is the key to Carlton in 2024, so far so good for Harry.

They DO get more frees than any other key forward gets.

Unsure why this upsets Carlton fans so much?

The dominant key forwards of recent times - TomaHawk, J.Daniher, J.Cameron, Jack Reiwoldt, T.Lynch, Buddy, Tex Walker - all get nothing from umpires, they actually all end up having a negative free kick differential.

Unclear why defenders weren't shitting themselves against the dominant forwards and scragging, holding etc.?

Mihocek is the same for us, never gets anything. It would be great if Mihocek was umpired like Charlie and Harry are instead of T.Lynch and J.Cameron are.

Dominant key forwards in 'recent times' and you exclude teh best two forwards in teh game over teh last 3 years? I mean really?

Boy oh boy we've got one here

I lostmycheque is now Charlie Curnow or Harry McKay - if only ...LOL got a tinfoil hat on?

Sorry I dont subscribe to your conspiracy theory about Carlton forwards being favored by the AFL ....and every umpire is crooked when it comes to both of them or Charlie is hopeless since he gets treated like kid gloves or Charlie gets all his goals from frees-

why? the numbers show he not only kicks more goals than anyone else ( when Harry isnt busy doing same) but he also kicks less of HIS total goals from frees than other forwards..

LOL comparing him to known snipers like Lynch or blokes so old they can jump anymore like Hawkins or blokes like Cameron who are rarely in front of goals wrestling with the big defenders - watch some games maybe..

 

[Fadge]

the numbers show he not only kicks more goals than anyone else ( when Harry isnt busy doing same) but he also kicks less of HIS total goals from frees than other forwards..

 

[carlton_99]

The funniest part of this whole Curnow topic is roughly 28.2% of his free kicks came against Collingwood in the two match-ups last year.

• Averaged 5.50 free kicks per game in the 2 matches against Darcy Moore
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• Averaged 1.17 free kicks per game in the 24 other matches he played in 2023.

So it's either an umpire conspiracy in just Collingwood games for some reason OR more likely Darcy Moore

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Darcy Moore

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29

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169.1

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13.9

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7.3

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6.6

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M

4.9

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0.7

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182.0

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D

6.8

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2.6

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2.6

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1.8

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has struggled to defend Charlie Curnow

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Charlie Curnow

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No current season stats available

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10.8

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3.2

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1.6

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[Robertio]

The funniest part of this whole Curnow topic is roughly 28.2% of his free kicks came against Collingwood in the two match-ups last year.

• Averaged 5.50 free kicks per game in the 2 matches against Darcy Moore
• Averaged 1.17 free kicks per game in the 24 other matches he played in 2023.

So it's either an umpire conspiracy in just Collingwood games for some reason OR more likely Darcy Moore has struggled to defend Charlie Curnow...

Darcy Moore had no idea, if Murphy is not back by round 8 put Charlie down for 10.

 

[JustaBattler]

The funniest part of this whole Curnow topic is roughly 28.2% of his free kicks came against Collingwood in the two match-ups last year.

• Averaged 5.50 free kicks per game in the 2 matches against Darcy Moore
• Averaged 1.17 free kicks per game in the 24 other matches he played in 2023.

So it's either an umpire conspiracy in just Collingwood games for some reason OR more likely Darcy Moore has struggled to defend Charlie Curnow...

Pretty clear innit- but you prolly have to spell it out really rally slooooowly to the Collingwoods - at lest three times.....

and then they will ask you to "say it again'...

with some fugly bloke pic included...cos you know it is cleva and smart...

 

[Worm4]

Did you actually read my post from earlier?

Collingwood have played in plenty of Preliminary Finals where we haven't been genuine contenders. We were miles off Geelong and St. Kilda in 2009, for example.

Again, read what I actually wrote. In english in case you dont comprehend - our opinions are that far apart that i won't debate this with you anymore. You have opinion, I have mine. I don't agree with your opinion . You don't agree with mine.
Comprehend ?

 

[Fadge]

The funniest part of this whole Curnow topic is roughly 28.2% of his free kicks came against Collingwood in the two match-ups last year.

• Averaged 5.50 free kicks per game in the 2 matches against Darcy Moore
• Averaged 1.17 free kicks per game in the 24 other matches he played in 2023.

So it's either an umpire conspiracy in just Collingwood games for some reason OR more likely Darcy Moore has struggled to defend Charlie Curnow...

Phew.

Lucky we didn't have to worry about Curnow during our FINALS SERIES ROMP TO THE 2023 PREMIERSHIP!

 

[JustaBattler]

Phew.

Lucky we didn't have to worry about Curnow during our FINALS SERIES ROMP TO THE 2023 PREMIERSHIP!

You were lucky you didn't play against Carlton in the finals - very very very lucky.

Lucky flag most would say - very lucky.

but hey - well done!

 

[carlton_99]

Phew.

Lucky we didn't have to worry about Curnow during our FINALS SERIES ROMP TO THE 2023 PREMIERSHIP!

Nice deflection and once again congratulations on the 2023 premiership.

Glad we can now put the rubbish/agenda-driven Curnow talk behind us and focus on the thread title - will hopefully be a good battle.

 

[Fadge]

Again, read what I actually wrote. In english in case you dont comprehend - our opinions are that far apart that i won't debate this with you anymore. You have opinion, I have mine. I don't agree with your opinion . You don't agree with mine.
Comprehend ?

All good.

I understand why after all this time you're desperate for Carlton to be regarded as a Premiership contender.

 

[Worm4]

All good.

I understand why after all this time you're desperate for Carlton to be regarded as a Premiership contender.

You're an idiot.
You remind me of my ex wife always had to have the last word. Some people...

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Yeah, but why dont other superstar forwards like TomaHawk, Jack, T.Lynch, J.Cameron get the same number of frees?

The Carlton fan thesis seems to be that defenders s**t themselves and scrag Charlie only...

I don’t know……..

Though I think it would be fair to say that most free kicks for & against would be paid in a marking contest between forward & defender.

Would you agree?

Then do you think it would be a fair explanation that the player that has taken the most marks in this context would perhaps be the player most infringed upon in these said marking contests?

You know, the player that has taken the most marks, attended the most marking contests, be logically the most infringed upon player?

It’s a weird concept I know, though probably worth your time investigating to help with your own answer……

Oh, and just to kick you off, Curnow took 180 marks last year. How many times have each of the players mentioned in your post done that in any of seasons they have played?

Here’s a hint…….

Never.

Most not even close.

 

[Arr0w]

The superiority complex by some Pie supporters is bizarre to say the least

This supporter self proclaimed powerhouse has won 3 flags in over 6 decades

 

[Fadge]

You were lucky you didn't play against Carlton in the finals - very very very lucky.

Lucky flag most would say - very lucky.

but hey - well done!

Here we go again.

Indeed. We were so 'lucky' that we won 5 more games than Carlton to secure top spot, and also so 'lucky' that the rules stipulate that if you finish top 2, you don't have to travel until the Grand Final (and no travel for a Victorian side).

Exceedingly 'lucky'.

But Carlton weren't 'lucky' to scrape into 5th place.... no, not at all. No luck with dissentgate against GWS early in the season; no luck with the Petracca goal that wasn't paid against Melbourne; no luck that Port Adelaide rested half their team in preparation for the match against Collingwood the following week...

No. That was all part of the Grand plan. To PARTICIPATE (Carlton supporters' term, not mine).

 

[Robertio]

Phew.

Lucky we didn't have to worry about Curnow during our FINALS SERIES ROMP TO THE 2023 PREMIERSHIP!

The only thing you have got right this season.

 

[Robertio]

Here we go again.

Indeed. We were so 'lucky' that we won 5 more games than Carlton to secure top spot, and also so 'lucky' that the rules stipulate that if you finish top 2, you don't have to travel until the Grand Final (and no travel for a Victorian side).

Exceedingly 'lucky'.

But Carlton weren't 'lucky' to scrape into 5th place.... no, not at all. No luck with dissentgate against GWS early in the season; no luck with the Petracca goal that wasn't paid against Melbourne; no luck that Port Adelaide rested half their team in preparation for the match against Collingwood the following week...

No. That was all part of the Grand plan. To PARTICIPATE (Carlton supporters' term, not mine).

Melbourne were in front with 2 minutes to go, Weitering to Hollands to Doc to the goalsquare where there were 4 Carlton players by themselves, that's how the game was won, were you trolling or just dumb which one?

 

[carlton_99]

But Carlton weren't 'lucky' to scrape into 5th place.... no, not at all. No luck with dissentgate against GWS early in the season; no luck with the Petracca goal that wasn't paid against Melbourne; no luck that Port Adelaide rested half their team in preparation for the match against Collingwood the following week...

- Carlton won 9 of their last 10 games to finish in fifth despite suffering significant injuries in that period of their own - you do not do this by luck. They then went on to win two finals which just supports the idea that they were amongst the best teams in the comp at the back end of 2023.

- Carlton beat the Giants by 10pts and one umpiring decision in 120 mins of football can never be used as an excuse unless you can guarantee the game was umpired perfectly before and after that point.

- The Petracca incident was umpired exactly like any other goal review decision is. Just because you don't like the call doesn't make it wrong. The goal umpire made a call, the ARC looked at it and it was not clear. In all cases the decision then goes back to the goal umpire call.

- We beat Port by 50 points and that was with our own outs and losing Harry inside the first 10 minutes. You cannot say it is luck to play a team with outs when that happens to most teams every week. You especially can not say it to Carlton who have probably had the worst injury run in the comp over the last 10-odd years. Unless of course all the wins teams got against us when we had outs (which has been most weeks) are due to luck.

 

[Worm4]

So, lets talk 2024
Carlton are in the top 8
Collingwood are in the bottom 10
Curnow not getting many free kicks
What else are the facts

 

[Fadge]

Melbourne were in front with 2 minutes to go, Weitering to Hollands to Doc to the goalsquare where there were 4 Carlton players by themselves, that's how the game was won, were you trolling or just dumb which one?

Oh. So there wasn't a game last year where a Petracca goal that was awarded a point didn't influence the result of the match?

Hmmm. I must have imagined it...

 

[Aphrodite]

Every post doesn't have to be a troll mate.

It’s how he rolls.

Has been trolling Carlton for years.