Current Trial Wonnangatta - Russell Hill & Carol Clay vanish *Pilot Greg Lynn charged with murder

[Kurve]

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Terrafirma]

Quoted in the press:
"Police, desperate for knowledge on where the bodies of the campers might have been disposed, grilled Lynn for a whopping four days before finally charging him with their murders.

It is understood detectives only received the information on the likely location on Thursday morning, with police making a preliminary scout of the rugged terrain.

Last night, Assistant Commissioner Hill stole the spotlight from Detective Inspector Andrew Stamper, who has tirelessly led the investigation for near on two years.

'This morning detectives identified a crime scene within the Great Alpine area and forensic specialists will commence searching at that location over the coming days,' Assistant Commissioner Hill told reporters."

Still doesn't say directly he confessed nor does it say he provided the location.? You could make that assumption but it is not stated as such.

 

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I'm starting to genuinely believe it may not be old mates first rodeo, I initially didn't even entertain the thought at all as it seemed a bit too fantastical, but something about all these moving parts makes me think its plausible that the investigators had a big question mark over him very early on.
Pure speculation obviously, it just makes as much if not more sense than someone of an advanced age suddenly going "bad" in such a dramatic fashion.

Which missing parts do you think he may have been moving ? I still think they may have found a piece of the/a motor initially/somewhere.

 

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I camped pretty close to Dry River TK the week prior

Russell Hill was in the area working was he not ? There was different times in the reporting of his time in early/mid March.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

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Media will be camping out

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

Russell Hill was in the area working was he not ? There was different times in the reporting of his time in early/mid March.

I think he was solo camping nearby, but not in the Valley as far as I recall from a report I read a while ago

 

[Zidane98]

Is it legally possible for GL to disclose the location of the buried couple whilst at the same time denying the murder charges?

 

[Terrafirma]

Is it legally possible for GW to disclose the location of the buried couple whilst at the same time denying the murder charges?

Do you mean GL.? Greg Lynn..? In theory it would be legally possible if someone was with Greg and they committed the murders but Greg knew where they were? Not really a question I would ask as we know this is not the case. The Police have stated they are "NOT" looking for anybody else

 

[Terrafirma]

I think he was solo camping nearby, but not in the Valley as far as I recall from a report I read a while ago

Russell worked in the area prior to all this. He may have also been camping solo in the area prior to this. Not sure what you question relates to.?

 

[Zidane98]

Do you mean GL.? Greg Lynn..? In theory it would be legally possible if someone was with Greg and they committed the murders but Greg knew where they were? Not really a question I would ask as we know this is not the case. The Police have stated they are "NOT" looking for anybody else

Fixed!

Ok lets say nobody else is allegedly involved. Can GL say heres the location of the bodies but deny he is guilty of the murder charge?

 

[Terrafirma]

Yes he could. But unless he provided some form of plausible reason for knowing where they were it would appear as damming evidence and a Jury would convict him IMO

 

[craigos]

Yeah I haven't heard nor seen a report confirming he has confessed.? Also the reports say the area they are searching were provided to them but they didn't say by whom? It's logical to assume he provided the approximate area so I'm assuming this is where the assumption of a confession comes from?

Doesn't have to be a person that gave them a location either. Mobile phone data could be dictating where they are looking as well.

Could also be why it's going to take some time to get to court.

As Zidane98 mentioned, what's so complex about this case if he has indeed confessed? You don't need a body if he has confessed to the killings (claiming self defence seems off the table).

 

[Terrafirma]

Doesn't have to be a person that gave them a location either. Mobile phone data could be dictating where they are looking as well.

Could also be why it's going to take some time to get to court.

As Zidane98 mentioned, what's so complex about this case if he has indeed confessed? You don't need a body if he has confessed to the killings (claiming self defence seems off the table).

He hasn't confessed to the Public's knowledge.! People are assuming he has confessed, but read below Police will not say either way.


Assistant Commissioner Bob Hill said a crime scene was established on Thursday in the Great Alpine National Park.

It is there where police are hopeful of finding the missing friends’ bodies 20 months after they vanished. Mr Hill would not say if detectives zeroed in on that area because of information gleaned while Mr Lynn was interviewed.

“We have located a specific area and we will establish a search parameter. We are hopeful we will find the remains,” he said.

It says Police would not say..! So no confession , no admission of guilt.!

 

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He hasn't confessed to the Public's knowledge.! People are assuming he has confessed, but read below Police will not say either way.


Assistant Commissioner Bob Hill said a crime scene was established on Thursday in the Great Alpine National Park.

It is there where police are hopeful of finding the missing friends’ bodies 20 months after they vanished. Mr Hill would not say if detectives zeroed in on that area because of information gleaned while Mr Lynn was interviewed.

“We have located a specific area and we will establish a search parameter. We are hopeful we will find the remains,” he said.

It says Police would not say..! So no confession , no admission of guilt.!

Reminds me for some reason.

My office in Australia was broken into, they left a box of milk tray. I burst out laughing.


Everyone else...

 

[Anja_Nees]

Is it legally possible for GL to disclose the location of the buried couple whilst at the same time denying the murder charges?

Literally yes, but practically it’s obviously got its issues. He could still plead not guilty, but it’s obviously difficult to work around your knowledge of the whereabouts of the corpses.

It’s still up to the prosecution to prove he did it. If (very hypothetically) his lawyers didn’t think they could prove some aspect of their case, or could only prove manslaughter, he’d still be within his rights to plead not guilty.

 

[Trucker Tiger]

It was an interesting line about "unique investigative techniques" being used.

Could it have been the Mr Big/Canadian technique, which isn't unique but that word is often misused.

 

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It was an interesting line about "unique investigative techniques" being used.

Could it have been the Mr Big/Canadian technique, which isn't unique but that word is often misused.

They checked here

 

[Terrafirma]

It was an interesting line about "unique investigative techniques" being used.

Could it have been the Mr Big/Canadian technique, which isn't unique but that word is often misused.

Yes for sure. It's possible they used some aspects but this technique rewards with financial gains as I understand it so I doubt that part

 

[Cruyff14]

What do people think the motive is? An argument?

 

[FrankGrimes]

Doesn't have to be a person that gave them a location either. Mobile phone data could be dictating where they are looking as well.

Could also be why it's going to take some time to get to court.

As Zidane98 mentioned, what's so complex about this case if he has indeed confessed? You don't need a body if he has confessed to the killings (claiming self defence seems off the table).

If he’s lucky, he could get a non-parole period well under 30 years, possibly under 20. It’s happened here in multiple homicides before, and he’s in a good position given his age and lack of previous convictions.

Might get out before 80 if he does.

They can’t just rely on a confession, he can withdraw that say he was pressured or some other b/s.. they need a watertight case, bodies will help but not the be all and end all, they have to other evidence against him.

 

[Terrafirma]

What do people think the motive is? An argument?

Yeah some form of confrontation over Noise, the Flying of Hill's Drone, it would appear Lynn was not happy about the couple turning up for some reason (Motive) and Russell Hill although in his 70's was not one to back down. We can only speculate but the Drone is the one that keeps coming to me. Lynn being in Aviation as a Pilot etc perhaps took annoyance for some reason?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Doesn't have to be a person that gave them a location either. Mobile phone data could be dictating where they are looking as well.

Could also be why it's going to take some time to get to court.

As Zidane98 mentioned, what's so complex about this case if he has indeed confessed? You don't need a body if he has confessed to the killings (claiming self defence seems off the table).

He’ll have given a version of events and there are no other witnesses. The police will still be going over every bit of physical evidence they have (ie the bodies) to see if it lines up with his story. We still dont even know how they died, or how he claims they died. The bodies will tell them a lot.

 

[MiguelM]

It was an interesting line about "unique investigative techniques" being used.

Could it have been the Mr Big/Canadian technique, which isn't unique but that word is often misused.

Probably lots of techniques they can't use legally like sleep deprivation, bright lights, loud music 24/7!

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Probably lots of techniques they can't use legally like sleep deprivation, bright lights, loud music 24/7!

… waterboarding…

 

[kaiserchief13]

What do people think the motive is? An argument?

Self defence

 

[MiguelM]

Yeah some form of confrontation over Noise, the Flying of Hill's Drone, it would appear Lynn was not happy about the couple turning up for some reason (Motive) and Russell Hill although in his 70's was not one to back down. We can only speculate but the Drone is the one that keeps coming to me. Lynn being in Aviation as a Pilot etc perhaps took annoyance for some reason?

Will be interesting, if guilty, whether we find the real trigger. Whatever the argument it is a huge leap to then commit murder.

To me, the most plausible is that he got into a fight with Russell and he was accidentally killed then killed the other as she was a witness.