Science/Environment Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - HCQ doesn't work - Part 3

[Chief]

This thread is continued in Part 4:

Science/Environment - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4

This is part 3 of this thread. Part 2 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-declared-part-2.1238728/ --------------- It looks like it began in wild animals being sold for human consumption, and once again the consequences of this stupidity is...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Any evidence?

Pete Evans?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I’ve been right about plenty.

Now dude, please stop it or I'll do a quick 2 minute search, post the results and totally embarrass you

 

[Barry Roundhouse]

Now dude, please stop it or I'll do a quick 2 minute search, post the results and totally embarrass you

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[Deliverance]

The lockdown was during the pandemic, how do they know the anxiety was either lockdown or was it the stress of living through a pandemic?

Because of the % increase of presentations & associated behaviours specifically during lockdown periods.

You sound like this, "How do they know that climate change is man made?"

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Epidemiologists praise Victorian approach as we await today's case numbers

As we wait for today's case numbers in Victoria to be released by the Health Department (it's normally about 9am), it's worth looking at how the state's restrictions are trick.

Leading epidemiologists have praised the Andrews government for the slow and steady approach to guiding Victoria out of the second wave of the coronavirus pandemic, saying the latest easing of restrictions strikes the right balance.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Because of the % increase of presentations & associated behaviours specifically during lockdown periods.

You sound like this, "How do they know that climate change is man made?"

Lockdown or pandemics? Survey was for one month over 50 countries apparently, although not sure on the randomness when over 50% of Americans were from the state of the place study was done.

The first wave with lockdowns was sudden with lots of deaths, hospitals inundated etc...a time of high stress.

Study shows that 33% of obese people put on weight during the period. Ok how many put on weight during same period pre-pandemic?

You’re just grasping once again. Thing is if it was up to you and your mates Victoria would be cutoff from the rest of the country for a very long time with far greater economic and mental impacts. Luckily not many were listening to you and we get some normality back and we can possibly travel interstate in next month or so.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

To an extent, but thinking in particular about testing for side effects during pregnancy or in postnatal time. All the money in the world can't shorten human gestation.

And these are vaccines that are going to be rolled out on a global scale so they need a very wide of participants to test a representative sample.

If you were fairly confident and had a good uptake you could leave out the likes of pregnant women from a vaccination program, and could still have a massive effect on reducing its transmission in society, and lets remember that Pregnancy can also be a dangerous condition for catching Covid19..

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We can’t all be government arse kissing geniuses like yourself.

How does Dan Andrews arse taste?

Wow.
The government do what is obviously the right actions.
Because we don't believe your blatant crap, its ass kissing.
LOL.

 

[chunkylover53]

Russian vaccine doesn't seem to be much chop. Cases and deaths are soaring.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Russian vaccine doesn't seem to be much chop. Cases and deaths are soaring.

thats actually unknown

issues with production mean only thousands have received the vaccine so far. even with a massive ramp up in production, they only estimate 300k doses made is best possible by November

 

[chunkylover53]

Oooh, a lot of salty tears there today

Go on say it....tell us all how you were/are wrong about everything regarding this

You will feel so much better

What exactly have you been right about yourself? You don't put any opinions forward. You just regurgitate Twitter and have sarcastic remarks.

You must be feeling quite conflicted at the moment with your saviour Dan giving the green-light and creating a distraction for the Djab Wurrung tree destruction. I assume you were there protesting with your fellow acitivsts? Oh, no? You're just a pretend hard-lefty. Cool. Thought so.

Djab Wurrung tree: Anger over sacred Aboriginal tree bulldozed for highway

Aboriginal Australians condemn the destruction of the tree, which holds particular importance to women.

www.bbc.com

 

[chunkylover53]

thats actually unknown

issues with production mean only thousands have received the vaccine so far. even with a massive ramp up in production, they only estimate 300k doses made is best possible by November

old painty can ned. always onto it!

 

[PP34]

Now dude, please stop it or I'll do a quick 2 minute search, post the results and totally embarrass you

Wow so scared of what a guy on the Internet says to me!

Wow.
The government do what is obviously the right actions.
Because we don't believe your blatant crap, its ass kissing.
LOL.

No. Just can’t stand arse kissing when the government were the ones who put us into a second wave. I’m sure old mate was bowing down to Andrews then and attacking everyone like he’s doing now. Nothing but a bloke that kisses the governments arse and posts links.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

old painty can ned. always onto it!

people always underestimate logistics

for example, reason for slow testing numbers in the usa at one point was lack of swabs - they build up testing capacity, but failed to get enough swabs to the people on the ground.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Wow so scared of what a guy on the Internet says to me!

Are you scared?...why, it was you who posted so many dumb things time after time

Just stay out the way of those who have the ability to think and who have the tools to fix things and you will be fine

 

[Seeds]

Epidemiologists praise Victorian approach as we await today's case numbers

As we wait for today's case numbers in Victoria to be released by the Health Department (it's normally about 9am), it's worth looking at how the state's restrictions are trick.

Leading epidemiologists have praised the Andrews government for the slow and steady approach to guiding Victoria out of the second wave of the coronavirus pandemic, saying the latest easing of restrictions strikes the right balance.

Epidemiologists know nothing about economics. They have zero concept of the financial damage that has been done. They are not equipped to answer this question.

 

[Frank Bunn]

You’re just grasping once again. Thing is if it was up to you and your mates Victoria would be cutoff from the rest of the country for a very long time with far greater economic and mental impacts. Luckily not many were listening to you and we get some normality back and we can possibly travel interstate in next month or so.

That's conflating two different things. Is it the right thing for Australia to have an eradication policy - with an exit strategy dependent on an effective vaccine being developed and rolled out nationally? I would say no. Others disagree.

But it's a moot point. Given that we were stuck with that strategy, like the other states, Victoria needed to implement a reliable hotel quarantine program alongside an effective track and trace system. The Andrews government screwed up massively on both counts. And many months down the track Victoria still does not have either a reliable hotel quarantine program or an efficient track and trace system. We have been cut off from the rest of the country for a very long time because of our government's incompetence.

If you think lack of interstate travel causes great economic and mental impacts then it's nothing compared to the effects of continued lockdown measures on large sections of the population, such as only being able to leave the house for one hour per day, 8pm curfews, can't visit friends or relatives, can't go to the gym, can't go to funerals, schools being closed, hundreds of thousands losing their jobs.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

That's conflating two different things. Is it the right thing for Australia to have an eradication policy - with an exit strategy dependent on an effective vaccine being developed and rolled out nationally? I would say no. Others disagree.

But it's a moot point. Given that we were stuck with that strategy, like the other states, Victoria needed to implement a reliable hotel quarantine program alongside an effective track and trace system. The Andrews government screwed up massively on both counts. And many months down the track Victoria still does not have either a reliable hotel quarantine program or an efficient track and trace system. We have been cut off from the rest of the country for a very long time because of our government's incompetence.

If you think lack of interstate travel causes great economic and mental impacts then it's nothing compared to the effects of continued lockdown measures on large sections of the population, such as only being able to leave the house for one hour per day, 8pm curfews, can't visit friends or relatives, can't go to the gym, can't go to funerals, schools being closed, hundreds of thousands losing their jobs.

Don’t agree and we probably never will. Let’s not forget blame on Fed Govt and aged care especially as they did nothing after Sydney debacle. Would’ve saved more lives. Plus some blame on people being stupid as well as photos of Kmart last night and today prove

 

[Chief]

The Andrews government screwed up massively on both counts. And many months down the track Victoria still does not have either a reliable hotel quarantine program or an efficient track and trace system.

As mentioned, the scuttlebutt is that the initial screw up is the decades long centralisation and "efficiency" measures aimed at reducing costs at the expense of services and preparedness.

It takes time to get the right systems in place and the right experience to run them. I don't know if a few months in the middle of a pandemic when medical personnel and equipment are in short supply is ever going to be enough. We don't know if another government or leader would have done better.

The lesson for everyone is don't vote for people who are gutting your health services.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Epidemiologists know nothing about economics. They have zero concept of the financial damage that has been done. They are not equipped to answer this question.

Neither do Chief Health Officers. But the emergency powers legislation effectively gives them total control of each state.

I don't think this is really what is happening. CHOs are generally mid-level public servants and will be acting under instruction.

State premiers are using emergency powers to bypass the normal parliamentary systems and effectively become mini dictators. Then justifying their actions on 'health advice'.

 

[Seeds]

As mentioned, the scuttlebutt is that the initial screw up is the decades long centralisation and "efficiency" measures aimed at reducing costs at the expense of services and preparedness.

It takes time to get the right systems in place and the right experience to run them. I don't know if a few months in the middle of a pandemic when medical personnel and equipment are in short supply is ever going to be enough. We don't know if another government or leader would have done better.

The lesson for everyone is don't vote for people who are gutting your health services.

The message is dont vote for people who are so incompetent that they cant implement a quarantine program that actually quarantines people. This had nothing to do with supply of health services. the virus has never got to a level that australias health services have been put under strain. Not even close.

 

[faible]

The message is dont vote for people who are so incompetent that they cant implement a quarantine program that actually quarantines people. This had nothing to do with supply of health services. the virus has never got to a level that australias health services have been put under strain. Not even close.

Way to miss the point there Seeds.

Also, I'm fairly sure at the last state election "How do you plan to manage a global pandemic" wasn't an election issue.

 

[Seeds]

Neither do Chief Health Officers. But the emergency powers legislation effectively gives them total control of each state.

I don't think this is really what is happening. CHOs are generally mid-level public servants and will be acting under instruction.

State premiers are using emergency powers to bypass the normal parliamentary systems and effectively become mini dictators. Then justifying their actions on 'health advice'.

This is true. Cheif health officers dont have sufficient expertise either.

 

[Seeds]

Way to miss the point there Seeds.

Also, I'm fairly sure at the last state election "How do you plan to manage a global pandemic" wasn't an election issue.

And what point is that? The people of victoria could of put enough pressure on andrews to resign. To say this simply isnt good enough and we expect competency from our politicians on such serious issues. Instead they have embraced the fools that have created the disaster. As a result the rest of australia has little sympathy for victorians plight.